Joining the U.S. Military in 2020?

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
I personally think this discussion is beginning to stray from the OP's interrogatories. Militias and other types of organizations are fine in theory, but discussion on a board about them is a straight up green light to get infiltrated by feds. These new institutions you're alluding to, I would expect you would want people who served in the military in them to train you how to do all those things you're discussing, to me it sounds a lot like larping and idle babble, unless call of duty is going to teach a generation how to think critically in austere environments...
Relax, I'm talking something more like starting up a new contracting business that works with the military. Nothing weird, nothing to be alarmed over, and would get all the proper certificates and clearances. The point I'm making is that the competition is currently that bad and it's getting worse to the point where it's literally just a massive waste of money for something that gives near-zero utilitarian value.

But the broader point stands: parallel institutions are where we need good, Christian men. Your company is one such parallel institution already. We need more of that, and our institutions need to network together to form a parallel, SJW-resistant industry.
 

renotime

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member
All the branches are pozzed, and heavily so. I say this as an outside observer who has never served, but you don't have to be inside a burning building to see its on fire and being destroyed.

About the only area that seems non-pozzed in the ultra-special forces dudes (SEALs, Berets, Recon, etc.) but good luck getting into those.

The only reason to go in would be to get some military training (however inadequate and poor it offers today), learn a trade, get the G.I. Bill, meet with some like-minded folks (they are there) to develop post-collapse connections, or to get the shine for a political career.

Picture the American military like the Roman military in 400-470 A.D.: People joined to exploit the system, not to serve Rome. The Roman army by then was crappy, far over-extended, corrupt, living on the glories of the past, too interested in promotion for non-valid reasons, demoralized, weak, and heavily dependent on mercenaries.

That last bit is important; the Western Roman Empire in the last century relied on Gothic and German mercenaries to deliver any real military wins. And then those mercenaries turned on the empire and it collapsed into petty Gothic kingdoms.

Right now a lot of the grunt work in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places is done by mercs we hire. Blackwater (which changed its name) was a big one. They call them military contractors but they are mercenaries.

Yes, we have special forces and ordinary duty guys doing great things out there, but half of everything being done are paid mercs with no loyalty to the military or government. That will not last long and they will either leave when the pay goes away or turn on us.

Now, many of the mercenaries were regular soldiers first and then were recruited after their discharge, so maybe you might want to go that route. But otherwise, if you join, keep your head down, get the training you want, and get out. Or you may want to get in, and then get discharged and become a military supplier using your connections, those seem to work out well.

One place I might recommend would be Space Force. Since its new, its probably the least pozzed.

P.S. I sometimes feel bad I didn't serve, but when I looked at the diversity-filled, affirmative action promoting, gay and tranny loving, women in the military, anti-white nature of the U.S. military today, I realize that I made a good choice. I do not want to support that kind of world.

If you were never in the military, how do you know it's totally pozzed out? OP won't know what it will be like until he joins. Like you I have no skin in the game, but I suspect if he sticks to jobs with little to no women, he can avoid the pozz.

OP, have you thought about the reserves? I think you just go to basic and AIT and then back to being a civilian and working on weekends.
 

Aizen

Kingfisher
Orthodox
OP, have you thought about the reserves? I think you just go to basic and AIT and then back to being a civilian and working on weekends.

Currently considering commissioning as an officer, since I have a STEM degree that will be completed by year's end. The Reserves sounds nice - I've heard you're guaranteed your MOS - but it naturally follows that the contracts are longer for a part-time gig. Specifically, 6-7 year reserves stints in contrast to 3-4 years active duty. From what I gather, the Reserves has a nice work-life balance, but I'm more of an all-or-nothing guy. In other words, I'm either going active or not going at all. Part-time service strikes me as somewhat half-assed; I've also heard that they don't actually do much given that they meet sporadically and for relatively short intervals.

The Reserves/Guard is definitely a fair option if I decide to pull the trigger on this whole military thing. The main question I've been mulling is whether to join at all.
 

R.G.Camara

 
Banned
If you were never in the military, how do you know it's totally pozzed out? OP won't know what it will be like until he joins. Like you I have no skin in the game, but I suspect if he sticks to jobs with little to no women, he can avoid the pozz.

OP, have you thought about the reserves? I think you just go to basic and AIT and then back to being a civilian and working on weekends.

You don't need to serve to know it.

You only have to read shit like this:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2015/04/23/soldiers-in-high-heels-draw-online-outburst/

As I stated, I don't need to be inside a burning building to see that its on fire.

And it doesn't matter if the jobs have few women (and I doubt he could find one), they also have gays, trannies, and diversity all around, and hammered into their head.
 

Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
When you serve in any combat role you are shown respect when your service is up... I got more than a few "You were really a Nuclear Submariner?" In job interviews and questions what was it like? Often followed by when can you start?

If you do not want to make it a career the National Guard, Air National Guard and reserve units are a solid option, I know two guys who served USMC reserves and US Navy Seabees reserves and did tours in the sandbox mostly guarding and building US bases with their local reserve brothers. The Marine is now a Police Detective and the Seabee came back used the GI Bill to get a State Uni MBA and is a Program Manager with a DoD major Prime Contractor at $140K plus both with solid benefits and able to support families.

If you have completed a 4 year degree in stem or english etc Reserves Officer or National Guard officer is a good racket as you likely will earn a TS clearence with plenty demand at military prime contractors with interesting assignments for one weekend a month and summer two week reserve duty I worked with a Navy Reserves LtCmdr who was a Navy Diver and did his reserves duty at the Newport RI dive unit. His wife was a smoke show. It is always a better QOL quality of life as an officer than an enlisted. Officers in reserves are in demand as DoD Prime Contractor managers with a wide range of career opps. The O Clubs make sure young single officers are introduced to higher quality single daughters... Just do not pump and dump a General or Admirals daughter! HTH.
 
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Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
Pozzed is as pozzed does... A Buttigag pozz propositions you or tries to jam his dick up your ass it's court marshall for sexual harassment for them and if you have to report to a Dyke it's like working for a guy without testosterone so rarely an issue... A job that requires a high IQ will be less diversity-fied like nuke boats, pilots, cryptography or Military intelligence... If you are a natural alpha who golfs with a low handicap Sr officers will want you as a ringer on their foursomes just be smart and let them win now and again and only offer tips if asked like a pro relies on his caddy... Jr Staff officer roles can be demanding but cushy... Just keep your MAGA inclinations to yourself as Military are supposed to stay politically neutral... Except former US Senator Hightower from Texas who was a very powerful US Navy reserves Chief Petty Officer and proud of it. Honorable military service opens a lot of career doors.
 

Kona

Crow
Gold Member
This line of thinking has led me into heavily considering joining the U.S. military.

Stop whatever you are doing and go see a recruiter.

Being a part of the greatest military force in human history, The US Navy, was the best decision I ever made. I have skills and experience that few Americans have. All of the politics and bullshit disappear when bullets are flying and bombs are bursting in air. Please don't think I'm cold here, but there is a confidence that comes from looking down the barrel of a rifle and popping the head off a terrorist that just tried to kill your buddy that most men just don't have anymore. I know that I've seen the worst in humans, and have been through things, and lived, that most can't comprehend. I can do anything.

When I was finishing college an older vet gave me a more eloquent version of that speech. I'm glad I listened. I don't remember all of it, but here's the part that stuck all these years: STOP THINKING ABOUT IT AND DO IT!

I hope that helps.

Aloha!
 

renotime

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member
Currently considering commissioning as an officer, since I have a STEM degree that will be completed by year's end. The Reserves sounds nice - I've heard you're guaranteed your MOS - but it naturally follows that the contracts are longer for a part-time gig. Specifically, 6-7 year reserves stints in contrast to 3-4 years active duty. From what I gather, the Reserves has a nice work-life balance, but I'm more of an all-or-nothing guy. In other words, I'm either going active or not going at all. Part-time service strikes me as somewhat half-assed; I've also heard that they don't actually do much given that they meet sporadically and for relatively short intervals.

The Reserves/Guard is definitely a fair option if I decide to pull the trigger on this whole military thing. The main question I've been mulling is whether to join at all.

What's your degree in? Some engineering jobs you get to outside every once and awhile without having to pick up anything heavy. Maybe look into doing shutdown work? Those guys for everyday for a few weeks straight and make bank. It sounds like you will have options after college regardless of whether or not you sign up.

Hey Deepdiver, I'm pretty sure if you don't carry a gun around at your job it isn't combat specific.
 

AlligatorState

 
Banned
3 of my best friends joined the Military in 2016, straight out of high school. 2 of them the Marines, and another the Army.

The guys in the Marines went into Force Recon, which was pretty dope. Basically if you move up enough in Recon, then you can move into true Special Forces type work. This is a pure combat role, an elite one at that.

This kid basically had everything it took, he passed all the schools, got into recon, everything. He hit me up on Snapchat a few months ago basically saying that he is super bored, and that all he does is sit around on the base all day.

Granted, he now knows like 25 different ways to kill people instantly. He has some skills now that he definietly didn't prior. He also went to Japan and France during those 4 years in.

He decided to use his GI bill and is going back to college. Take that for what you will.
 

RoadKill

Sparrow
Join the Air Force if: You want to do your four years and get the GI bill with the least amount of suffrage. They have a huge budget and I call it "Military themed college."

Join the Army if: You want to make a career out of it. They have a huge budget as well and there's more opportunity to stay in long-term

Join the Navy if: You're super smart and want to learn a technical skill

Join The Marines if: You want to belong to a life-long brotherhood, actually qualify with a rifle at least once a year and say "I'm a Marine" for the rest of your life. They have the smallest budget and can often be issued inferior gear and have limited resources. But that's part of the creed "Improvise, adapt and overcome."

I served 9 years in The US Marines. My advice to you if you want to go into The Marines; score high on your ASVAB test. If you score high, you'll get to pick a good job that will lead to a trade once you're out There's not much room as you gain rank and once you're above E-6, you may be on your way out, even if you don't want to be. If you score low on the ASVAB, you'll get a crap job and work with equally crappy people and play f**k f**k games all day and you'll be counting the days until your 4-year enlistment is up

I was in the air-wing. I had a great time and deployed twice. My skills got me a tech job before my second enlistment was up.
 

tomzestatlu

Kingfisher
Agnostic
I can't speak for US military but currently I'm in military somewhere in Europe (late 20s).
I went through military schools and then I joined my unit and saw only negative things - reasons were the fact I didn't know anything than military and bad people around me. I burnt out quickly and left. I started to work for corporation and after 2 years I got back to military and realized this:
- I have got plenty of free time in military in comparison to my corporate job. 5 day work weeks, no weekends, no staying until night at work. Of course some weeks there are exercises, but still it's pretty good in terms of time.
- If you want to get fulfilled by this job, have goals and plan and work on it everyday. Mediocrity is big problem in civilian world and as well in military. Strive to become best and aim to some area, that attracts only the best.
- Use your time wisely. Either working on yourself or working on your future (hustle). If you fall into soldier routine that only consists of getting drunk and play video games, you will be miserable (very common in military)
- I have got much better experience with civilian bosses (even women) than with commanders in military (toxic leadership is huge problem).
- Even though military is ran by dumb politicians and can serve for purposes I might not agree with, its somethinf I can take. I had some internal issues with this before, but I learned one thing in my life. Don't bother yourself with things you can't change. There's so much wrong happening in the world and if I should be constantly stressed about everything, I would be dead already. What is important for me is getting better in areas I'm responsible for, guys around me and my future. The fact that some big corporations are involved in something wrong happening in the world isn't something I can change.
- Here it's still pretty masculine area. Of course there are women wearing uniform at desk jobs, but no SJW agenda is being pushed here.
- Actually it's not bad money at all.

So my conclusion is pro-military. I am that kind of guy who is always unhappy about something, so I checked other options and military is a winner. But its not about how much does this job give to you, but its about how much you give this job. And a little bit about luck to don't run to bad people. Or it's good job to earn decent money while working on your stuff.
 
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Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
What's your degree in? Some engineering jobs you get to outside every once and awhile without having to pick up anything heavy. Maybe look into doing shutdown work? Those guys for everyday for a few weeks straight and make bank. It sounds like you will have options after college regardless of whether or not you sign up.

Hey Deepdiver, I'm pretty sure if you don't carry a gun around at your job it isn't combat specific.

Curious then why was I a High Speed Nuclear Fast Attack Hunter Killer Submarine Combat Systems expert who serve multiple patrols hunting down enemy submarines to make sure they did not launch nukes at your mother and father. Your complete ignorance at the range of military combat roles is stupefying....

Watch the movie Hunter Killer with Gerard Butler and Gary Oldham for a basic education. I will put my DD214 up against any man's.

LOL the guys who respect me most are US Navy SEALS, Pilots and a US Army Ranger that told me they were in Helmand Province Afghanistan then got Intel there were 30 or so Chechan Islamists near a village that needed to be eliminated... They get there and it's more like 300 Chechans on 3 points of surrounding high ground and the Ranger Platoon was taking heavy fire ...their PC told Radio call in danger close Air Support ... Helos and jets were 1 or 2 hours away but a Nuke Sub was standing by loaded with Tomahawk Cruise Missiles and wanted to know GPS coords where to drop them... Exact coords were sent and about 25 minutes later three simultaneous explosions happened on the hilltops and 300 dead Chechans were all that was left and he made it home to tell the story.

Ironically he was a tough blonde Blue eyed Viking looking mofo Fbombing in our local pub and I put a arm around him and told him I loved him Bro for stepping up to serve and protect our country and that I was just a big pussy compared to him... He had a quizzical look and asked why and I said I do not like lead whistling around me and that I was a Nuclear Submariner... He gave me a bear hug and said Submariner! Submariners! I phocking Love Submariners!!!!

NBF Nuke Boats Forever!
 
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get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
You don't need to serve to know it.

You only have to read shit like this:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2015/04/23/soldiers-in-high-heels-draw-online-outburst/

As I stated, I don't need to be inside a burning building to see that its on fire.

And it doesn't matter if the jobs have few women (and I doubt he could find one), they also have gays, trannies, and diversity all around, and hammered into their head.
Couple things about this just so we are being intellectually honest:
1) As much as I dont like to defend the Army...that is a ROTC cadet corps... not actual soldiers. While it is totally inappropriate and disgusting, it is not a parallel to the actual serving military, and a news story to hype up the PC bs that is out there. Do things like this happen? Yes, but the majority of the armed forces is not on board with wearing women's high heals in uniform... and generally, the military acts a-political while in uniform. You can believe whatever you want, and as long as you are not in uniform, nobody gives a shit.

2) There is a certain level of PC elements in all forms of current social life as well as business. Unless you own your own business. A lot of people focus on the fact that there has been negative social change indoctrinated in the military, with out looking at the very institutions the willingly volunteer to participate in every day in their lives. Do you use Amazon for example? Many people use the self justification of "The military is a rotten institution filled with globohomo" to write off any of the benefits military service has, normally because its a good rationalization to prevent one'self for facing situations that might kill you, but also present large rewards. The military can pull people out of poverty, give you order and discipline, and open doors for you that no other institution can do in this country.

3) No, you dont have to serve to see the indoctrination, but if you didn't serve in the recent years, then you really dont know how good or bad it is and are basically applying the logic that "everything in the news or that I read about the military is what is going on" instead of getting the input from the people who have... which we have seen not to work so well regarding accuracy. That article is a prime example, some nobody major basically ok-ed that sort of bs, I assure you they were punished for it after the fact and behind the scenes, but the media is going to promote it to show how the "even the military" is down with feminism or whatever.
 

RoadKill

Sparrow
My daughter got out of The Marines last year. According to her, it's still a man's institution. I actually accompanied her and my son in law to what would be our last Marine Corps Ball. I met the Marines that she served with and I can say with confidence that they are still the rowdy drunkards that I was in the 90's. I actually served with people in the 90's that her battalion CO (a lieutenant colonel) knew.

People seem to forget we're still at war and as much as we rag on millennials, there are some tough millennials hooking and jabbing a rough as those in WWII and Vietnam. The military changed my life. I was a fat friendless kid when I joined. After basic, I lost 60 pounds and was chiseled. I had confidence and learned a trade that I still use today in my professional life. It's also a good way to declare your independence from your parents. That's what I did and that's what my daughter sought to do. It worked for both of us.

Instead of living off our parents and working minimum wage jobs or going to liberal indoctrination camps, uh, I mean college, we went our own way. In a sense, it's the ultimate MGTOW.

RK
 
My daughter got out of The Marines last year. According to her, it's still a man's institution.

If your daughter isn't a feminist, I can only conclude that she meant that positively. However, my step-son joined the Marines and yesterday he told me that he was mandated to attend women's rights training. According to him, it was a bitch session for female Marines to talk about all the ways they've been slighted by men in the Marine Corps, which implies that he had something to do with that. The young man is only 19. He's just starting off in his life on his own, trying to figure things out and he's subjected to this mental retardation of women in the Marine Corps. I got out of the Marine Corps 20 years ago. When I was on Marine Security Guard duty at my first post, a woman Marine (WM) was sent to that post for the first time in detachment history (the MSG program is pretty old). Every guy in my detachment was pissed. I remember that feeling. As a man, you didn't want there to be division like that. We liked that we were all guys. It felt right. Nobody needed to give me sensitivity training or change my mind. It was a visceral reaction and all the guys in my detachment felt the same way. To think that my 19 year old step-son had to be subjected to that is a disgrace to the Marine Corps. Now, mind you that he's attached to a base that is not predominantly Marine, so they might just be playing politics. But, as much as I love the Marine Corps, I fear that the institution won't be able to repel pozzing at this level for too much longer.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
If your daughter isn't a feminist, I can only conclude that she meant that positively. However, my step-son joined the Marines and yesterday he told me that he was mandated to attend women's rights training. According to him, it was a bitch session for female Marines to talk about all the ways they've been slighted by men in the Marine Corps, which implies that he had something to do with that. The young man is only 19. He's just starting off in his life on his own, trying to figure things out and he's subjected to this mental retardation of women in the Marine Corps. I got out of the Marine Corps 20 years ago. When I was on Marine Security Guard duty at my first post, a woman Marine (WM) was sent to that post for the first time in detachment history (the MSG program is pretty old). Every guy in my detachment was pissed. I remember that feeling. As a man, you didn't want there to be division like that. We liked that we were all guys. It felt right. Nobody needed to give me sensitivity training or change my mind. It was a visceral reaction and all the guys in my detachment felt the same way. To think that my 19 year old step-son had to be subjected to that is a disgrace to the Marine Corps. Now, mind you that he's attached to a base that is not predominantly Marine, so they might just be playing politics. But, as much as I love the Marine Corps, I fear that the institution won't be able to repel pozzing at this level for too much longer.
I saw the integration of Combat Arms while in the USMC. Started out with out women in Arty. That changed thanks to Obama.

It's still a man's world, but the women aspect does still present a huge problem. Especially in training units. It levels out in the operation forces but you do get a good dose of that in entry training, though im not sure how they are doing any bitch fests in Boot Camp, more like : here is the issues, here are the expectations, and here are the consequences... That was my experience in participating and overseeing this sort of mandatory equal opportunity training atleast. It was one of the reasons I am glad I am out, I really hated the annual training, but it's there do the mothers of America and senators like Kirsten Gilibrand can't parade the commandant in front of Congress and call him a sexist... It's all CYA bs.

That being said, I'd do it all over again, even under the Obama admin.
 
though im not sure how they are doing any bitch fests in Boot Camp, more like : here is the issues, here are the expectations, and here are the consequences...

What I said was bit misleading. He's not in boot anymore but in a training unit.

At any rate, I hear what you are saying. And I can imagine the pressure commanders are under to walk the line between being operationally ready (aka being men) and keeping out of the cross hairs of senators like Gilibrand. I couldn't do it. But then again, corporate America really isn't much different. I'm required to do annual training for related topics but if my company subjected me to the same type of training as my step-son, that's where I draw the line.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
What I said was bit misleading. He's not in boot anymore but in a training unit.

At any rate, I hear what you are saying. And I can imagine the pressure commanders are under to walk the line between being operationally ready (aka being men) and keeping out of the cross hairs of senators like Gilibrand. I couldn't do it. But then again, corporate America really isn't much different. I'm required to do annual training for related topics but if my company subjected me to the same type of training as my step-son, that's where I draw the line.
I have the same issue now. I got out last year and I chose to work for a company that is very based, very strongly Catholic specifically because while I expected some corporate CYA bs... I knew I wasnt going to get the women's lib/tranny freakshow lives matter speech.

As a southerner who grew up in a plantation home...I got pretty upset with the Commandant going on about removing the Confederate Battle Flag. Say what you will about the civil war, but banning something that a majority of your troops are culturally connected to isn't smart for morale. Berger also wen on about how there has been systemic Racism in his last Marine Bulletin....meanwhile you've got people from 3rd world shitholes posting their flags all over the place. Its not a two way street on that issue unfortunately.
 

Renzy

Pelican
Catholic
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Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
THE MOST DIVERSE (non-white) ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY?!?

Good thing we are blessed by two large oceans and 2 peaceful neighbors and don't really need much of a military, or else this country would be a sitting duck.

"The compassion necessary to operate in various countries worldwide"? What satanic soul could honestly write such a sentence? When did the US do anything compassionate with its armies to a foreign nation?

"Protecting the world's culture"? We are destroying cultures worldwide, forcing Botswana to accept anal marriage and forcing Afghanistan to teach feminism in its school. Inspiring or outright creating ISIS and other violent groups that are destroying Christian and traditional Muslim civilizations alike. What culture have we ever preserved? Can someone please point to one?
 
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