Joining the U.S. Military in 2020?

[JTA]

General:

- Is the military pozzed? If so, which branches specifically? I’ve heard that women are allowed to take on combat roles in the Army these days. In the Middle East. What could possibly go wrong...

- Is the military, as an overall plan, a smart move for a young man in 2020? Or are there better avenues available to becoming a capable man?

- Are the benefits all they’re cracked up to be? What are you actually entitled to? Recruiters glamorize it, and my friends hawk on about the GI bill like it’s the Willy Wonka ticket. My grandfather did use the GI bill to start a family after he was back from WWII, so in a way, I owe my existence to this program. Then again, that was before (((they))) took control...

Ethical:

- Are there moral qualms to fighting for something you don’t believe in? As someone who’s ardently anti-Israel, it would be hard to stomach fighting for the enemy’s benefit.

- How does God feel about man and military service? Especially given the point above.

- Is it right to ship out for a few years, leaving my family behind to fend off the (((forces))) alone? I’m the only male in my family, so it seems like I’ll have to hold down the fort if my forebodings come true. Then again, the military would teach me combat techniques that could be used to protect my community and loved ones.

I'm active-duty military.

I'll offer my perspective.

Answering your questions in sequence:

Is the military pozzed?
Yes. With that being said, I respect the Marine Corps (MC) the most for their ability to handle the whole modern-day-cosmopolitan-women-in-combat-roles-thing. Dated an ex-MC girl once, and made the acquaintance of another active duty MC female officer during a grad school program. Based on these encounters, I believe women in the MC are worth their weight in gold over most men in the Air Force, or even the Army.

Is the military, as an overall plan, a smart move for a young man in 2020?
If your think the military is a Dr. Seuss machine that will turn transform you from being a piece of crap into Captain America, then I say no. Turn around and walk away. How you are as a young man now is how you will enter into the military, is how you will be during the tenure of your service, and is how you will be upon exiting the military. The (US) military draws from the citizens of its population; thus, the weaker/stronger the population is the weaker/stronger the military is.

Are the benefits all they’re cracked up to be? What are you actually entitled to?
I recently used my post-9/11 GI bill for grad school and it helped me immensely. I'm very grateful for it, because I was able to make a significant career change (within the military) because of it. You also get TRICARE, medical, dental, etc. Most take it for granted, but at least it's reassuring to know that you can walk into a clinic immediately when you have an ailment or need your wisdom teeth pulled ("free-of-charge"). Basic housing allowance/food allowance (BAH/BAS) is also thrown in there. As for other entitlements, talk to a recruiter (lol).

Are there moral qualms to fighting for something you don’t believe in?
Yes.

How does God feel about man and military service?
I'd advise you to pray and ask Him.

Is it right to ship out for a few years, leaving my family behind to fend off the (((forces))) alone?
This sounds like a very personal question to you. I believe you are the only one who can answer this for yourself.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Consider the US Coast Guard. They actually have their act together and you're not off fighting globalist wars - You're at home. I am sure depending on the rating you'd have to deal with annoying feminist NCO's and officers but you'd be protecting your country and not getting your legs blown off for Israel. You will need a perfect application with no waivers to even get the time of day from them though.

 

[skullmask]

I realized the entire point of this base had nothing to do with flying planes, but was merely a jobs program, a way to keep people busy, a way to make transfer payments in a more productive way than just doling out welfare payments, basically a public works project. The military internationally is an absolute disaster for anyone abroad it touches, but domestically it's mostly an employment, job training, and welfare program.

The joke in the Air Force I always heard was that when establishing a new base the first priority was the golf course. After that was done and the AF finally ran out of money building the BX, commisarry, housing and misc support facilities, the generals ask congress for more money to finally build the flight line.

There's a lot of fraud waste and abuse going on but nobody says anything. However, I have no problem with guys like us taking advantage for their own benefit. Someone is gonna take it, might as well be /ourguys. That said, one has to be careful in today's 'woke' environment. The whole institution is thoroughly pozzed, from the top down.

 

[Seeker79]

Oh absolutely. But an above poster was recommending someone "blow a person away" which is what I found shocking and absurd advice.

Really since 1945 the vast majority of US military jobs are just bureaucracy with some field trips thrown in. I realized this years ago when I accompanied a friend to her air force base, and she pointed out all the buildings and what went on where. I finally asked where the airstrip was and she replied there was no airstrip any more. I could barely stop from laughing out loud. Here was a base where thousands of people ostensibly were all there for the singular purpose of supporting pilots (who did live on the base) to fly planes, or at least train to fly planes so they could fly them when needed in the real world, and there were no planes nor places to land them. It's like all these people were part of the Matrix, or of some weird Emperor's New Clothes charade.

I realized the entire point of this base had nothing to do with flying planes, but was merely a jobs program, a way to keep people busy, a way to make transfer payments in a more productive way than just doling out welfare payments, basically a public works project. The military internationally is an absolute disaster for anyone abroad it touches, but domestically it's mostly an employment, job training, and welfare program.

That said, I'm far too independent minded to handle that (can't even deal with corporate America) and have serious moral problems with what I would be helping to accomplish to ever be a part of it, but I view it as far, far, far less malignant than I once did after that experience.

Great points.

Two ways to look at signing up for the military, moral/ethical and practical. For the former, you should ask yourself how much the larger purpose of your career/job matters to you. Some people don't care as long as they are paid well but others care deeply about the high level picture. For latter practical side, as I said in my earlier post, the military can offer a stable path to middle class living. One four to five year stint in the military can help you get a foot in the door to corporate America, government jobs, or government contractor jobs. The Post 9/11 GI Bill pays for tuition and gives you a housing stipend for a four year degree or a master's and beyond. You also broaden your network for the rest of your life as a veteran.

Easy to be cynical about the "jobs program" and "corporate welfare" of the DOD budget but you can also take advantage of it to further yourself. Many defense companies such as Boeing also have normal private sector business that delivers value to the world.

Like I said, easy to be cynical and ignore the practical benefits.

 

[Max Roscoe]

Consider the US Coast Guard. They actually have their act together and you're not off fighting globalist wars - You're at home. I am sure depending on the rating you'd have to deal with annoying feminist NCO's and officers but you'd be protecting your country and not getting your legs blown off for Israel. You will need a perfect application with no waivers to even get the time of day from them though.

If i joined a branch of the military, it would be the Coast Guard, but the "you're at home" part is not true.

I have a cousin who is in his 40s and already retired from the CG. That's the good part. The bad part is he spent most of his 20s and 30s breaking up ice in the arctic circle. He had a couple of wives, both ended in divorce. He has now remarried and having a new life. When he wasn't in the arctic he was at a base in California for a while and then another I think in North Carolina. So he was shipped all over the place and his personal life really suffered. However, the work was good, he was clearing shipping lanes and the CG pretty much does work I support, from helping vessels in distress to keeping trade moving to battling pirates (extremely rare). I would only do it if I could handle it for the full 20 or 25 years until retirement, and I think it would reeeeeally get old after a few years.

 

[Jack Ryan]

If i joined a branch of the military, it would be the Coast Guard, but the "you're at home" part is not true.

I have a cousin who is in his 40s and already retired from the CG. That's the good part. The bad part is he spent most of his 20s and 30s breaking up ice in the arctic circle. He had a couple of wives, both ended in divorce. He has now remarried and having a new life. When he wasn't in the arctic he was at a base in California for a while and then another I think in North Carolina. So he was shipped all over the place and his personal life really suffered. However, the work was good, he was clearing shipping lanes and the CG pretty much does work I support, from helping vessels in distress to keeping trade moving to battling pirates (extremely rare). I would only do it if I could handle it for the full 20 or 25 years until retirement, and I think it would reeeeeally get old after a few years.

My mistake I didn't mean literally at your house but rather mainly in US coastal waters and on US land not off in Crapistan.

 

[skullmask]

I have a cousin who is in his 40s and already retired from the CG. That's the good part. The bad part is he spent most of his 20s and 30s breaking up ice in the arctic circle. He had a couple of wives, both ended in divorce.

Any military service is hard on a marriage, which is another thing people should keep in mind. I had heard that some years ago there was a Marine general who wanted to ban junior enlisted from getting married as he felt the stresses of marriage distracted Marines from their jobs too much. The ancient Romans had the same policy for their legionaries. They could not marry until they completed their service.

 

[Salinger]

- Is the military, as an overall plan, a smart move for a young man in 2020? Or are there better avenues available to becoming a capable man?

You'd be a pawn fighting for Globohomo. Is that really what you want to be doing?

 

[Gent001]

You'd be a pawn fighting for Globohomo. Is that really what you want to be doing?

A pawn fighting for globohomo and for shlomo.

 

[skullmask]

You'd be a pawn fighting for Globohomo. Is that really what you want to be doing?

I'm pretty sure Globohomo/Globoschlomo sees us all as mere pawns whether we serve in the military or not. Question is, can you get more out of serving in the military than they get out of you? That's a personal choice, but one that I think is doable, assuming you can snag a guaranteed non-combat job as a POG.

Let the trannys and mulattoes and the non-binary pansexuals fight in combat arms. I'm sure our enemies will die laughing.

 

[Red_Pill_Medic]

I am considering the military as more of a way to break out of the depressing cycle I and many other young men find themselves in. Ideally, I'd like to be stationed in some far base, and doing a tech job.

Not for nothing, it seems like all guys my age who went into the military straight out of high school all have lives with wives/girlfriends, while most don't. Military service seems to give men more respect.

I wanna echo what @Douglas Quaid said about the fact that you are making great money at your age. So my advice would be to save money and have minimal expenses and continue in that job for the time being if your able to tolerate it, at least while you pursue other career options. If you manage your money well you will have enough to pursue your development and growth as a man on your own schedule and according to how you want to. And you will have to work less if you save and keep expenses low. I would say don't necessarily envy the guys your age in the military with wives/girlfriends, your only seeing the superficial aspect of their life and relationships, I can say from what I've seen most people's relationships today are nothing to envy. And definitely don't do something because you want it to change others opinion of you, such as being in the military garnering more respect from people.

 

[westernman]

I am not considering a combat "cool shit" role in the military. I have no interest in being an IDF pawn.

The only reason I'd join is for a few years of structure, adventure, job training, social opportunity, and free housing. I am 24 and stuck back at my parent's house. I don't enjoy the company of people here, and I don't really do anything besides work and the gym. It's no way to live. I am obviously not going to find a wife and start a family like this.

Ideally, I'd go into a high paying traveling job like the oil fields or something of that nature, but I don't see any opportunity. Staying here and saving money for a house while earning 25-30/hr while living in misery is not a wise plan.

 

[skullmask]

Ideally, I'd go into a high paying traveling job like the oil fields or something of that nature, but I don't see any opportunity. Staying here and saving money for a house while earning 25-30/hr while living in misery is not a wise plan.

You really don't like your parents that much? Have you considered buying a small parcel of land and putting a single wide on it? Might be cheaper and quicker than saving on a down payment for a whole house depending on where you live. Is it just your location that you hate?

I used to have a job that paid me well and was fairly chill, but eventually I grew to hate it cause it was boring. I kept looking and looking for other jobs but had no luck finding something that paid better. I eventually came to accept things, and realized how fortunate I was and while I didn't exactly feel thrilled about my job I was doing ok, better than most. I got a promotion and a big pay raise shortly thereafter. And then a few days after being promoted I got a firm offer on a job that I had wanted for years that paid even better. Go figure...

Anyways, just saying that maybe instead of dwelling on how lame or boring things are in your life at the moment, take a moment to reflect on all the things that are good in your life. Even if it sucks working construction, you still are getting paid 25 to 30 an hour to do it. There are a lot of people doing jobs like EMT or firefighter who get paid less than that. There are people even in IT getting paid less than that. I remember chatting with an EMT one day, and he told me that where he worked, they started them on only 12.50 an hour. A guy saving lives working on an ambulance, who had to go to school for a few years to learn his trade, and gets paid less than half of what you make.

Yes, you may be able to have more interesting experiences serving in the military, but from the sound of it you'd be taking a bit of a pay cut because the starting salary of an E-1 isn't that good. The feel good BS that motivational speakers talk about is wrong. Getting paid well for work you may not entirely like is way better than getting paid peanuts for something more exciting. The excitement always wears off; then all you have is low pay and it really sucks.

 

[Jünger]

https://www.revolver.news/2021/01/not-your-grandfathers-patriotic-military/

 

[skullmask]

In light of how current events have transpired, I can no longer recommend military service. I won't bash anyone who thinks that joining might benefit them somehow, but I think they should seriously consider all other options before that because this new regime is friggin satanic.

 

[Jünger]

Ret. Army general says Trump supporters in military who support Capitol riot need to be kicked out

In a January interview with Fortune magazine, retired U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Thomas Kolditz said supporters of President Donald Trump who thought the Jan. 6

americanmilitarynews.com

 

[LurkerInLimbo]

If you want a life of military adventure, join the French Foreign Legion. At least then there will be no confusion as to your purpose and no pseudo-patriotism propaganda. Your only role is serving the imperialistic needs of France. Full stop.

 

[Towgunner]

I do not recommend anyone join the US military. I was in a while back and one of the reasons I got out was all the "woke" crap they were pulling. Matter of fact, I am here in the forum and the Manosphere because of what I saw in the military. What was supposed to be a strict hierarchy of competence and merit has been thoroughly discredited by these woketards. Women had a huge leg up in everything. I've seen non-rates, that's a rank that has very little to no authority, out weigh squadron and Battalion commanders. All because if the slightest hint of impropriety vis-a-vi a female (at that time sexual harassment) would result in an immediate adverse fitness report, which would make the officer or non-commissioned officer disqualified from further promotion. Military service is demanding. Young males are treated a lot worse than young females. Females do not have the same experience. Screaming NCOs are for the males, females get treated differently and that makes all the difference. The military does not understand that there contradicting themselves and causing discord among the ranks. You can't say on one hand all this rah-rah excellence and merit and then on the other promote and award lesser members because of quotas.

 

[get2choppaaa]

If you want a life of military adventure, join the French Foreign Legion. At least then there will be no confusion as to your purpose and no pseudo-patriotism propaganda. Your only role is serving the imperialistic needs of France. Full stop.

How much do you actually know about the FFL? Nonsense... Its not as easy as the JCVD movie just joining up.

I enjoyed my service in the USMC as a Field Artillery Officer. I got a lot out of it being a kid from a small town with a nonsense degree. Helped me pay for college through OCS programs, was a cadet in college, and it instilled a lot of discipline and abilities to cope with stress... I still have the GI bill to use, have had the experiences and lived more life than most men can ever fathom and got to see the world for what it really is, good and bad. I experienced the Obama PC bullshit, but also a couple years of Trump. I dont think things are trending in a positive manner if you are expecting the military to be the 1950's image of testosterone and machismo.... That being said, if you are able to take the service and find a niche that serves your needs, it can be a very good move.

You're gonna have to keep your head down, especially with the Biden Agenda, but it can be rewarding.

 

[DanielH]

How much do you actually know about the FFL? Nonsense... Its not as easy as the JCVD movie just joining up.

I enjoyed my service in the USMC as a Field Artillery Officer. I got a lot out of it being a kid from a small town with a nonsense degree. Helped me pay for college through OCS programs, was a cadet in college, and it instilled a lot of discipline and abilities to cope with stress... I still have the GI bill to use, have had the experiences and lived more life than most men can ever fathom and got to see the world for what it really is, good and bad. I experienced the Obama PC bullshit, but also a couple years of Trump. I dont think things are trending in a positive manner if you are expecting the military to be the 1950's image of testosterone and machismo.... That being said, if you are able to take the service and find a niche that serves your needs, it can be a very good move.

You're gonna have to keep your head down, especially with the Biden Agenda, but it can be rewarding.

Some crosses are hate symbols now, how low do you expect people to keep their heads over the next few years? At the very minimum people should wait two months to see how this purge plays out before considering enlisting.