Just How Astro-Turfed Were The 1960's & 70s Counter Cultures?

MajorStyles

Pelican
Another seminal work on the subject is John Atwill's "Manufacturing the Deadhead", into the psyop of the Grateful Dead, who arguably were the main vector for the propagation of the most destructive drug of the 1960s, LSD. The Greatful Dead were closely connected to the deep state, most of them were freemasons, some with intelligence backgrounds. Jerry Garcia was a hardcore kabbalist, Bob Weir was a Bohemian Grove regular.


I saw a lot of Grateful Dead concerts back in my day, and I highly doubt that Jerry was a kabbalist. David Kemper, who was Jerry's drummer for years in the Jerry Garcia Band, states that Jerry used to financially donate frequently to the late TV pastor Gene Scott. If anything, Jerry was in the "spritual but not religous" camp (at least in my opinion)

Bob Weir is a great rhythm player. However, he is dyslexic and has been invited - and attended - various Bohemian Grove events. In my opinion, he's not cerebral enough to be part of an intellectual brain trust. That being said, I am sure that he was around these groups and, at the very least, listened in on their machinations.

The Grateful Dead were permitted to flourish because of one reason - their culture could produce irreperable damage via heavy drug use. Therefore, a portion of Americans would kill themelves via suicide - masked as hedonistic free love and universal peace, etc. The government clearly allowed this to occur from the band's inception (the LSD acid tests of the 1960s) to the very end (playing sold-out stadium shows in Washington DC, just minutes from the White House).

As with all aspects of popular culture, you're not allowed to become famous by accident. You have to serve the cabal in some way, shape or form. The musicians may not be aware of this until the very end...or not at all.
 
What is wrong with romance, per se? Not the hijacking and consumerism of the latter decades but romance stems from intimacy and love between a man and a woman. There is absolutely nothing 'degenerate' about that.

Do you feel this way about Shakespeare's Sonnets?

It is illogical and emotion driven stupidity suitable only for libtards and SJWs, the older art may also have been influenced and promoted by the Jews in Western society in order to weaken gentiles by making them stupid and illogical, lowering their testosterone levels while elevating their levels of oxytocin.

Redpilled men have higher testosterone levels so they are logical while also being devoid of emotions and empathy.

Roosh has articles on this subject:


Techno?

And give example of industrial music

It's funny you mention horror. It makes sense when you think about it. They can be incredibly haunting and well done.

What of pop music in the 20th century? Before 90's and minus hippie/disco crap. There were many good ones made internationally.

No love for jazz?

Romance is retarded leftist stupidity compared to Techno and Industrial which represents the incredible power of science:

Below are examples of Industrial:



Below are examples of Techno:


 
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El Draque

Robin
It is illogical and emotion driven stupidity suitable only for libtards and SJWs, the older art may also have been influenced and promoted by the Jews in Western society in order to weaken gentiles by making them stupid and illogical, lowering their testosterone levels while elevating their levels of oxytocin.

Redpilled men have higher testosterone levels so they are logical while also being devoid of emotions and empathy.

Romance is retarded leftist stupidity compared to Techno and Industrial which represents the incredible power of science:


Sorry, this just sounds like pure unfiltered autism to me.

The sacharine quality of the 'romance' we see in the media does not mean that genuine romance between a man and a woman is somehow malign. It is a part of pair-bonding that holds couples together emotionally.

Go for a walk with your girl through the still of the woods, spend time together enjoying beautiful scenery, make the effort and cook a great meal together, enjoy the emotions that you can share. That's a healthy form of romance.

Re Shakespeare's Sonnets, i dont know how that could have been 'influence by Jews', given they'd long been expelled at that point.

"Redpilled men have higher testosterone levels so they are logical while also being devoid of emotions and empathy."

Being devoid of emotion & empathy sounds a lot like psychopathy to me.
 
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El Draque

Robin
The government clearly allowed this to occur from the band's inception (the LSD acid tests of the 1960s) to the very end (playing sold-out stadium shows in Washington DC, just minutes from the White House).

As with all aspects of popular culture, you're not allowed to become famous by accident. You have to serve the cabal in some way, shape or form. The musicians may not be aware of this until the very end...or not at all.

There was a tv play from 1968 that touched on this. It's astonishing how accurate it's precis was for the time. Shows you how times have changed. In that Donald Pleasence tries to recruit a film-maker to the 'fake news department'.

He talks about how they promoted LSD to make the youth 'play with flowers & talk like toddlers', astro-turf various 'movements' to keep people confused, instill fear to drive consumer spending & will fake a moon landing (this was prior to Apollo).

It's over fifty years old, but so accurate to what has come since.

 
The sacharine quality of the 'romance' we see in the media does not mean that genuine romance between a man and a woman is somehow malign. It is a part of pair-bonding that holds couples together emotionally.

Go for a walk with your girl through the still of the woods, spend time together enjoying beautiful scenery, make the effort and cook a great meal together, enjoy the emotions that you can share. That's a healthy form of romance.

Re Shakespeare's Sonnets, i dont know how that could have been 'influence by Jews', given they'd long been expelled at that point.

"Redpilled men have higher testosterone levels so they are logical while also being devoid of emotions and empathy."

Being devoid of emotion & empathy sounds a lot like psychopathy to me.

I already posted links to Roosh's articles stating that romance is blue pilled.

You cannot have high testosterone levels and be romantic because being a sappy romantic will elevate your oxytocin.

This is not to mention that libtards and SJWs, who keep preaching about romance, empathy and equality, are usually hypocrites who cover up their bad behavior by whining about morals in order to trick people into thinking that they are good.
 
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El Draque

Robin
I already posted links to Roosh's articles stating that romance is blue pilled.

Lol so what ?

Does Roosh's opinion on something somehow pull rank over everything that is presented here? I must've missed the part in the T & C's that stated this. I respect Roosh's work, doesn't mean i believe everything from that flows from his pen to be correct, or kowtow to his all his opinions.

Modern representations of romance are sacharine & overly emotional yes, but as i stated, going for a walk in the forest with your girl, viewing scenery together, having a nice meal etc, all build connection and maintain intimacy, pair bonding and creating a loving connection. If you've got a high quality girl that you enjoy spending time with, then why wouldn't you want to do all these things?

I dont know what kind of woman you could hope to keep happy unless you provide them a degree of healthy (and not sacharine, media or consumer driven) romance.

Do you have a wife or girlfriend currently?
 
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Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
It is illogical and emotion driven stupidity suitable only for libtards and SJWs, the older art may also have been influenced and promoted by the Jews in Western society in order to weaken gentiles by making them stupid and illogical, lowering their testosterone levels while elevating their levels of oxytocin.

Redpilled men have higher testosterone levels so they are logical while also being devoid of emotions and empathy.

Roosh has articles on this subject:




Romance is retarded leftist stupidity compared to Techno and Industrial which represents the incredible power of science:

Below are examples of Industrial:



Below are examples of Techno:



why do you keep posting music, that supposedly represents the power of the White Race, made by Japanese people?
 

Easy_C

Peacock
For what it's worth, I've read Dave McGowan and listened to most all the podcasts, etc., on this subject. One of the many reasons I stopped listening to Jan Irvin was because, despite the fact he advocated critical thinking, his arguments were all too often fallacious. Usually it was something like: Mr X was often seen in the same club where Mr Y and Mr Z drank, therefore he was a spook
Agree. I would still argue that he has a few early episodes worth checking out where he cites primary sources such as Kesey’s memoirs where Kesey openly admitted working with intelligence agencies.
 
why do you keep posting music, that supposedly represents the power of the White Race, made by Japanese people?

Well Raymond Scott Quintette's Powerhouse and Mutato Muzika's Future Frenzy are not Japanese made.

The other 2 soundtracks maybe Japanese made but the style originated in the USA so I still put it on the list because it counts.
 
Lol so what ?

Does Roosh's opinion on something somehow pull rank over everything that is presented here? I must've missed the part in the T & C's that stated this. I respect Roosh's work, doesn't mean i believe everything from that flows from his pen to be correct, or kowtow to his all his opinions.

Modern representations of romance are sacharine & overly emotional yes, but as i stated, going for a walk in the forest with your girl, viewing scenery together, having a nice meal etc, all build connection and maintain intimacy, pair bonding and creating a loving connection. If you've got a high quality girl that you enjoy spending time with, then why wouldn't you want to do all these things?

I dont know what kind of woman you could hope to keep happy unless you provide them a degree of healthy (and not sacharine, media or consumer driven) romance.

Do you have a wife or girlfriend currently?

I do not have a girlfriend or wife because most women are brainwashed feminists so it is not worth the effort to have any relationship with them.

If you look at the stories of classical Western literature such as Helen of Troy, Tristan and Isolde, and Romeo and Juliet, apart from being rare or probably even the only romantic literature of the time, they all ended in tragedy.

These 3 examples of older Western literature were not really romantic but were trying to teach a lesson about how following your emotions and disregarding reason and logic is wrong and will cause problems.

In fact the word romantic used to refer to Romanticist art and music, with its themes of the fear of nature, industrialization, mad scientists and horror, which was intellectually sophisticated, but all this changed from the 1850's to the present, when Romanticist art was replaced with Sentimental and Realist art.

Sentimental art, with all its sappy, corny, hammy, cheesy messages about idealized love, relationships and marriages based on intense emotions as opposed to practical and logical concerns, peace, altruism, self-sacrifice, white knighting, placing women on a pedestal, and the stupid delusion of empowering women, making them equal, if not, superior to men, and Realist art which promotes the idea of placing the working class on a pedestal, equality, and the reverence for the mundane, average, mediocre and ordinary both had their roots in leftist ideology.

The libtards deliberately promoted these ideas to reduce people's intelligence and make them emotional and irrational so that they would not question leftist ideology, such propaganda is termed Anti-Intellectualism.

I disagree with the idea of putting women on a pedestal and unconditional love for all people because it is based on the premise of equality which is not a proven fact of science.

This is why the SJWs keep whining about love and peace while labeling even criticism of women and non-Whites as "hate speech" because they have the delusion of wanting all people to be equal and this is something I do not support because it is impossible.
 
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Diocletian

Woodpecker
Several years ago I asked my dad about this since he graduated high school in the early 60s.

According to him there were a few people who really took it seriously as some kind of lifestyle, but it was mostly blown up by the mass media as a vehicle to sell records and fashionable clothes to youths with a lot of disposable income.

Look at it that way and its no different than punk, disco, heavy metal, grunge, gangster rap, modern country, goth, etc.

The short answer--pop culture is fake and gay.
 
Great thread.

It, along with Belgrano's post, sent me down a rabbit hole where I'm starting to thinking about the connections between MK Ultra, Manson, Zodiac, and possibly even Unabomber.

There's also this book, the author appeared on a Joe Rogan podcast episode. Pretty interesting.

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911

Peacock
Gold Member
A good read on the subject, very comprehensive and well-sourced, from a recent article in Winterwatch:


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“A government could also supply drugs to help control a population. This method, foreseen by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World (1932), has the governing element employing drugs selectively to manipulate the governed in various ways.” — Louis Jolyon West, “Hallucinations: Behavior, Experience, and Theory” (1975) [p. 298]

Timothy Leary was a key operative of cultural Marxism, proclaiming in 1967 that a new race will evolve to replace the old. After urging Congress to make drugs like LSD illegal, he shows up in the San Francisco area preaching a Madison Avenue style message of “tune in, turn on, drop out”. The idea was to focus rebellious energies on navel gazing.

Read “In Plain View: Jaw-Dropping Video of LSD Promoters Holding 1979 Meeting”

(((Allen Cohen))), another character in this battle of the cultures, said, “Hippies felt they were agents of a dawning of a new age. An age in which the warrior spirit that vaulted western man to domination would be dissolved in the spiritual transcendence of the saint.”

In December 1965, (((Bill Graham))) (aka Wulf Grajonca) came in and got control of The Fillmore theater in San Francisco after its black owner mysteriously died. Suddenly, the great black vocalists of that era made way for the introduction of psychedelic acid-rock bands

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Also arriving on the scene was the “Breaking Bad” biochemist drug cooker of the era, one (((Dr. Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin))). Somehow Shulgin managed to obtain a DEA Schedule I permit to concoct 230 psychoactive compounds (including ecstasy) that just so happened to make the rounds, spreading rapidly in the Bay Area and eventually the country. At this time, Shulgin was also appointed by (((Bob Sager))), the head of the U.S. DEA’s Western Laboratories, to advise on drug compounds, including providing samples.

The scene’s movers and shakers rarely, if ever, suffered any serious legal consequences for their rampant and very open use of — and sometimes trafficking of — illicit drugs. The question posed is why, if these people were really challenging the status quo, did the state not use its law enforcement powers to silence troublemakers?

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Jim Morrison and friends
Other promoters were (((Abbie Hoffman))), who said, “Kill your parents.” (((Bob Dylan))) (aka Robert Zimmerman) preached a “reorganization of culture.” To quote Dylan, “I have to go within.”

This is essentially magical thinking designed to influence toward individual isolation and prolonged childhood. Degenerate Jim Morrison of The Doors and known as the “Lizard King” said matter of factly to the NYT that he was “interested in revolt, disorder and chaos.” The photo above shows Morrison with an Aleister Crowley idol.

“Boy love” promoter, ’50s Beat poet and closet communist (((Allen Ginsberg))) (1926-1997) wrote inane prose for “chosen people,” who understood his secret code. For the other 99.9% of us on the “uncool” plantation, Ginsberg’s so-called “poetry” reads like yet more pilpuring — and very perverted at that. Ginsberg defined moral relativism with his refrain: “What is obscenity and to whom?”

As we pointed out in our mention of Star Wars in yesterday’s post, the pithy phrase “Feel- Don’t Think” was used as neuro-linguistic programming.

The fonte of this modernity struggle for ethics and morality started in earnest with denazification after WWII. This was the opening to implement it on large populations. The OSS hired a large number of native German speaking European Jews (such as Henry Kissenger) to run intelligence operations against the Axis powers. This gave these players a big toehold after the war when the “denazification” program was instituted. These Jews were then given carte blanche to undertake whatever schemes their hearts desired. This was the primary complaint of General George Patton before his assassination.

Patton Assassinated to Suppress His Criticism of Post-War Policy

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The godfather of this re-education was (((Kurt Lewin))), who pushed a strategy of tension to break down so-called “authoritarian personality,” “anti-Semitic” or “fascistic tendencies”. Fascistic characteristics would include the promotion of mental acumen, respectability, orderliness, cleanliness, and physical prowess.
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(((Gyorgy Lukas))) was a kingpin of promoting degraded culture as the focus of Red Vanguard anarcho-tyranny which is being ramped up to end game levels at the present time.

György Lukács: Practitioner of Red Vanguard Anarcho Tyranny

As a centerpiece of this campaign, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations was launched in 1946 as an Institute for Mind Control and Human Behavior. This was funded by a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. It became known as the focal point in Britain for psychoanalysis and the psychodynamic theories of (((Sigmund Freud))) and his followers. Eric Trist, a co-founder of the Tavistock Institute, was the protégé of Kurt Lewin.

The Tavistock Method of Brainwashing and Social Psychiatry

The authoritarian personality studies came from a book penned by (((Theodor Adorno))), one of the founders of cultural Marxism from the Frankfurt School that the National Socialists booted out in 1933. I have gone through the book and, per usual, it is page after page of gibberish and pilpuring. One can read 15 pages before coming across a coherent thought. It essentially states that “Nazis” (aka “fascists”) tend to have fundamental good (strong family ties, paternal, masculinity) worldviews that should be eradicated.

As a centerpiece of this campaign, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations was launched in 1946 as an Institute for Mind Control and Human Behavior. This was funded by a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. It became known as the focal point in Britain for psychoanalysis and the psychodynamic theories of (((Sigmund Freud))) and his followers. Eric Trist, a co-founder of the Tavistock Institute, was the protégé of Kurt Lewin.


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Chapter 23 of the book gives the basic punchline claim and tenet: that “the tolerant are more happy because they can engage in self-gratification [aka do as they wilt] behavior.” Therefore, “eros” is recommended to counter the fascist personality.

Eros stems from (((Sigmund Freud’s ))) crackpot theory on repressed sexuality
, and that men want to have intercourse with their mothers, are obsessed with their anus, etc, etc.

Next foundation backed Albert Kinsey was rolled out to create fraudulent made up data about sexual behaviors and norms to support the eros meme.

(((Herbert Marcuse))) took this repression theory and wrote more gibberish in a book called “Eros and Civilization.” The short version is that Eros (pleasure principle – leisure and pleasure) and hedonism should flourish. Cultural Marxism, also known as Critical Theory, was essentially destructive criticism of the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, small scale non-monopolistic capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnic identity, convention and conservatism.


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Incidentally, in looking at these books, they are footnoted in the extreme. Indeed, it is a who’s who of the whole Jewish cultural Marxist regime. And they love to give each other a big circle jerk of citations.

In the U.S., this philosophy was taught in spades at the shit-storm universities, such as Columbia, Harvard, Princeton, and Berkeley. It was institutionalized via foundation grants (the Macy Foundation was key). University Ph.D. paper mills were set up in the quarter century after the war to infuse cultural Marxism into society. Once properly ingrained, the drugs, sex and rock-and-roll phase was rolled out.

Birth rates collapsed in white regions, and we are now in the transhumanist end-game phase; as, after all, there is no need for the neurotics to worry about fascists when everybody is a robot.
 
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El Draque

Robin
Incidentally, in looking at these books, they are footnoted in the extreme. Indeed, it is a who’s who of the whole Jewish cultural Marxist regime. And they love to give each other a big circle jerk of citations.

In the U.S., this philosophy was taught in spades at the shit-storm universities

It was taught to them too.

And here we are.
 

El Draque

Robin
I do not have a girlfriend or wife because most women are brainwashed feminists so it is not worth the effort to have any relationship with them.

Sorry, but this is a cope, just as much as the fat, ugly feminist who goes home to her cats and a bottle of chardonnay every night, proclaiming 'all men are bastards!'.

It amazes me how many 'red pilled', that spend half their lives down conspiracy rabbit holes, think like this.

Can you not see how fall MGTOW or Feminism is fruit from the same root?

"Live alone, dont have a family, dont procreate, European man/woman. The opposite sex gender is poison to you!"
 
I've done quite a bit of research into this, and am a acquaintance with someone who was deep into the california counter culture scene, and personal friends with many of the key players such as Timothy Leary. According to him, Timothy Leary was up front about being involved with intelligence agencies when asked, all the way back to when he was in Harvard supposedly. His handlers were instrumental in his line of work. They were very well aware of his involvement with drugs, and even actively influenced him to be. This is how it played out until the movement was pretty much over, and Tim stopped complying -- which landed him in prison. LSD itself had a long history of being used for various reasons by government institutions -- IMO, I think it was a social experiment that they partially lost control of.

Personally, I think 'the hippie movement' was rooted in an authentic impulse, but like all countercultural movements in modern history, it was coopted and used for nefarious purposes. It's honestly a genius move if you think about it.... Take the subset of the population that is most countercultural, slowly insert your tentacles by gaining control of the key figures & visionaries, sway the general opinion, then use it for your own purposes. We have seen the same thing with the occupy movement.

As to how deep the rabbit hole goes, and just how much control the gov had over the movement, its very hard to say. It does seem that as soon as these movements become coopted, things become noticeably stale and uninspired. There seems to be a tangible expression of the various arts being produced, becoming more propaganda.

Great talks below with my acquaintance on this subject:


 

OrthoLeaf

Sparrow
Personally, I think 'the hippie movement' was rooted in an authentic impulse, but like all countercultural movements in modern history, it was coopted and used for nefarious purposes. It's honestly a genius move if you think about it.... Take the subset of the population that is most countercultural, slowly insert your tentacles by gaining control of the key figures & visionaries, sway the general opinion, then use it for your own purposes. We have seen the same thing with the occupy movement.

As to how deep the rabbit hole goes, and just how much control the gov had over the movement, its very hard to say. It does seem that as soon as these movements become coopted, things become noticeably stale and uninspired. There seems to be a tangible expression of the various arts being produced, becoming more propaganda.
The book "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" by Dave Mcgowan proves quite definitively that the entire hippie/counter culture movement was a psyop from the very beginning. Hard to believe in the authenticity of the "counterculture" when all the big names driving it came from CIA or military families.
 
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