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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kinjutsu" data-source="post: 1061330" data-attributes="member: 1798">Kaotic, there's no such thing as a hard gainer. You simply aren't eating enough.I thought i was a hard gainer and struggled to put on mass until i counted out my calories. It turns out i wasn't eating nearly as much as i thought i was. Once i figured that out all of my meals had potatoes, pasta or rice with them. A generous helping of it. At the end of the day if you want to get big you're going to need to bulk up. That means eating some trash food in your diet. It sucks and it kills your abs but it's a must do in this situation. Also there's no point in cutting now, just go right into bulking.Once you figure out your Total daily calorie needs add about 500 calories to it and start your bulk there. As you get bigger you'll need to gradually increase your calorie intake.</blockquote>