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<blockquote data-quote="Steelex" data-source="post: 1061348" data-attributes="member: 12431"><p>Don't get me wrong I love deads. They are great for building muscle and strength. But here is a detailed explanation of why I find them to be detrimental for some people.</p><p></p><p>1. Deads throw a wrench into your other programming. A heavy deadlift workout can really cut into your recovery for everything else, especially your legs and back. </p><p></p><p>2. As you get up there in weight with deadlifts (400+) your form has to be on point. Sloppy form will get you injured, and then the rest of your training is going to be messed up for a few weeks as you recover from this.</p><p></p><p>3. You really need to go into a deadlift workout in optimal conditions. That means well rested, fed, hydrated, NOT HYPED UP ON STIMS. Anything that could cause an error in your muscle contraction can potentially get you hurt. I tend to work out in the evening after working a 10-12 hour day, and I know that being somewhat fatigued can cause your body to have issues with stabilizing the spine. I don't even recommend doing deads in a prolonged caloric deficit, because the CNS will operate just a little harder than the weakened muscles can handle. I think this problem is exacerbated by strong stimulants. </p><p></p><p>4. You can get 80% of the benefits of deads with heavy rack pulls, while keeping the risk factor much lower. I guarantee you that if you get your rack pull into the 6's, you'll be able to deadlift in the 5's with just a few weeks of practice. This is assuming you're also squatting. </p><p></p><p>5. It all comes down to the risk to benefit ratio. I've just seen too many lifters (even good, knowledgeable ones with good form), make a simple mistake like foot placement, not bracing against the belt, ect... And then tweak their lower back and end up on permanent arm day for 3 weeks. The idea behind my training is to streamline your gains and bypass the speed bumps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steelex, post: 1061348, member: 12431"] Don't get me wrong I love deads. They are great for building muscle and strength. But here is a detailed explanation of why I find them to be detrimental for some people. 1. Deads throw a wrench into your other programming. A heavy deadlift workout can really cut into your recovery for everything else, especially your legs and back. 2. As you get up there in weight with deadlifts (400+) your form has to be on point. Sloppy form will get you injured, and then the rest of your training is going to be messed up for a few weeks as you recover from this. 3. You really need to go into a deadlift workout in optimal conditions. That means well rested, fed, hydrated, NOT HYPED UP ON STIMS. Anything that could cause an error in your muscle contraction can potentially get you hurt. I tend to work out in the evening after working a 10-12 hour day, and I know that being somewhat fatigued can cause your body to have issues with stabilizing the spine. I don't even recommend doing deads in a prolonged caloric deficit, because the CNS will operate just a little harder than the weakened muscles can handle. I think this problem is exacerbated by strong stimulants. 4. You can get 80% of the benefits of deads with heavy rack pulls, while keeping the risk factor much lower. I guarantee you that if you get your rack pull into the 6's, you'll be able to deadlift in the 5's with just a few weeks of practice. This is assuming you're also squatting. 5. It all comes down to the risk to benefit ratio. I've just seen too many lifters (even good, knowledgeable ones with good form), make a simple mistake like foot placement, not bracing against the belt, ect... And then tweak their lower back and end up on permanent arm day for 3 weeks. The idea behind my training is to streamline your gains and bypass the speed bumps. [/QUOTE]
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