Kentucky clerk jailed for refusing to issue gay marriage licences

[Hotwheels]

She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Agree.

Hotwheels, for a local example...no one tried to jail Scott Walker and...whats the name of the senate leader?...for allegedly breaking senate procedural law...they went ahead and tried to recall them. Though the Madison liberals would have loved it, it wasn't even an option.

The Dems in both houses ran and hid out of state to avoid being arrested for refusing to show up to "work" IIRC. (In WI a few years ago)

What other option is there other than jail for this broad? She refused to follow a judicial order.

I like her gumption, but she is wrong.

 

[Sherman]

She isn't intimidated by the state and is probably the only man left in America. It's nice to see that there is some push back no matter how little in a country of cuckservatives.

 

[Peregrine]

Obama refuses to enforce a bunch of laws he doesn't agree with, yet it's this woman going to jail.

I agree, my mind is blown that this woman is locked up in jail with an INDEFINITE sentence. This is political prisoner stuff right there.

If you murder someone, do you have to stay in jail until you apologize to the family? No, you get a set term in jail and then you are done. This woman's only way out of prison is if she recants her religious beliefs. If thats not kicking the constitution in the balls right there, I don't know what is.

edit: It really does seem like an open ended sentence...a statement from one of her lawyers

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Today, for the first time in history, an American citizen has been incarcerated for having the belief of conscience that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and she’s been ordered to stay there until she’s willing to change her mind, until she’s willing to change her conscience about what that belief is,” he said. “This is unprecedented in American law

EXACTLY. Thank you. To me, that's all this is about. This isn't about homosexuality or gay marriage. Homosexuality/gay marriage = X, whereas X is something the government has decreed. If you disobey X, you will be locked up until you recant.

Contempt is unconstitutional. http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/33422

P.S. http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35243

Edit: For those who don't click on my links, I'll mention that this is not unprecedented. Contempt is just another way to say "fuck you, you will stay in jail until you bow".

 

[JacksonRev]

I hope she gets reelected in jail.

 

[Dallas Winston]

She is denying people's rights by not issuing them marriage licenses in accordnce with the law. Her religious views are immaterial.

Look at it from the other side; If she was allowed to do this, then the citizens of other counties could elect County Clerks to nullify the law of the land.

That would not end well.

Yeah, but jail !?

Agree.

Hotwheels, for a local example...no one tried to jail Scott Walker and...whats the name of the senate leader?...for allegedly breaking senate procedural law...they went ahead and tried to recall them. Though the Madison liberals would have loved it, it wasn't even an option.

The Dems in both houses ran and hid out of state to avoid being arrested for refusing to show up to "work" IIRC. (In WI a few years ago)

What other option is there other than jail for this broad? She refused to follow a judicial order.

I like her gumption, but she is wrong.

Maybe there were limited options except jail given her position, but I doubt it.

Other options would include fines or expulsion from office ( impeachment if that's what it's called for a clerk )

Her incarceration was a big "F" you to traditional conservative values, to what has always been considered normal and decent, and to any and all of Obama's adversaries or would be adversaries. It was a shot over the bow:

"Don't like gay marriage or agree with it? F-You, you're going to jail"

"Your religious beliefs prevent you from issuing a license to lesbians. F-You...jail."

"you want to hold on to the way America used to be? Where marriage was only between a man and a woman? You aren't on board with us for this whole 'fundamentally change American' thing? F-You. It's incarceration time."

"Oh...so, mrs. state clerk official...you have the courage to stand up to something you think is perverted or wrong or anti American ? Get with the times you puritan red neck and all you other red state, gun loving, bible thumping, traditionalists. Gay marriage is here to stay and not only stay but flourish.....we WILL throw you in jail unless you step in line"

The judge furthermore said the woman 'holds the key' to her cell. See what this Obamite is doing?

He's saying "step in line, pledge your allegiance to Big Brother, agree that 2+2 = 5 and we will let you out of prison. Just confess your wrong mindedness and we will consider forgiveness."

The jailing was a statement and, in a sense, a warning from an anti American judge which percolated from an anti American ruling and the administration that supports it to traditionally minded Americans who are trying to keep their country from going to hell in a hand basket.

The liberal courts with the blessing of the administration is trying to nip it in the bud now with the shocking, unprecedented decision to jail this woman, so any would be opponents in the future will step in line. They've got more laws in the works to continue to turn America into more of a freak show and this is a pre-emptive action to scare any future opponents of that.

 

[Dusty]

Arrest her. Also, let's arrest the mayor of San Francisco for obstructing federal immigration law.

 

[CaptainS]

Arrest her. Also, let's arrest the mayor of San Francisco for obstructing federal immigration law.

Exactly, there's no difference between this and a sanctuary city.

 

[Wutang]

There is one thing I do know though, and that is that this will never end. They will never be satisfied.

Exactly. It's not about "gay rights". Hell, it's not even about forcing everyone to embrace homosexuality. It's part of bigger plan to stomp out religion, conservatism, destroy the traditional family. As long as there are conservative/religious/traditional families in the world, these people are going to be unhappy. Personally, I also think there's a certain insecurity/inferiority psychological complex going on with many LGBTQ people. They know deep down that they're messed up, their hate is just the way their envy of straight/traditional people and culture manifests itself. They need to constantly ram it in our faces to make themselves feel better about themselves.

People of all sexual orientations should be granted equal treatment under the law, and due to a unfortunate intertwining of church and state, marriage falls under this category.

Then how come in the US with it's "unfortunate intertwining of church and state" has legalized gay marriage while no East Asian country has?

 

[Phoenix]

At best she failed to do her job, at worst she abused her position of authority to deny people their rights. Punishment fits the crime.

People of all sexual orientations should be granted equal treatment under the law, and due to a unfortunate intertwining of church and state, marriage falls under this category.

Marriage is social recognition. Freedom of association is a right. These are separate things.

I'll have to repeat this again like a broken record, since it seems to bounce off the plate iron around some people's heads. Countries and states which provided all the rights that men and women have under marriage, to gays in the form of 'civil union', did not stop gay marriage campaigners as a result. They didn't even pause, and for a very obvious reason. Gay marriage is an ideological and social imposition; it is a forcible demand that people recognize a gay relationship as being equal to a marriage.

Social recognition of your relationship is NOT a right.

 

[extracube]

Rosa Parks was also bad and broke the "law."

 

[GlobalMan]

No matter what anyones views are, we can't have government workers refusing to perform their mandated duties due to personal beliefs, and expecting to continue in that position, period. What happens when its a muslim woman who's the clerk, and decides she won't serve Christians? Or a redneck who won't serve blacks? I don't care what you believe at home, stamp the damn paper or quit the job if your conscience can't bear it. You aren't being forced to do anything, you can leave anytime. The same people saying she should be allowed to refuse this are no doubt the same ones that would complain about a muslim getting special prayer break privileges- but it's exactly the same thing. It goes both ways.

As a government worker, you do not get to decline your duties due to the scripture of whatever spirit you whisper to. Everyone should be glad and relieved we live in a country with a mostly secular government. You may wish that wasn't the case, especially in situations like these, but you would quickly change your mind when the "wrong" religion gained power in your city, state, or even the country.

I think it's extremely short sighted to be willing to throw out the separation of church and state because we dislike gay marriage. The State should have no part in religion, and vise versa. Too few people appreciate this crucial part of our great constitution.

 

[porscheguy]

If you break the rules at work you get fired. She didn't commit any criminal offenses (no violation of life or property) yet goes to jail instead of being fired?

The beginning of the fagstapo.

She holds an elected office. So she doesn't really have a boss like most of the rest of us. Therefore, termination with immediate effect isn't going to happen here. The faggots were discriminated against by a public official. They took their dispute to the courts which is appropriate. It ultimately landed in federal court. The judge ordered her to perform her job. She refused to comply with a perfectly legal order from the court to perform the job she was elected to and swore that she would perform. She's in jail because her actions essentially told the judge to go fuck himself. Judges generally don't like that.

 

[CaptainS]

If you break the rules at work you get fired. She didn't commit any criminal offenses (no violation of life or property) yet goes to jail instead of being fired?

The beginning of the fagstapo.

She holds an elected office. So she doesn't really have a boss like most of the rest of us. Therefore, termination with immediate effect isn't going to happen here. The faggots were discriminated against by a public official. They took their dispute to the courts which is appropriate. It ultimately landed in federal court. The judge ordered her to perform her job. She refused to comply with a perfectly legal order from the court to perform the job she was elected to and swore that she would perform. She's in jail because her actions essentially told the judge to go fuck himself. Judges generally don't like that.

Would a mayor be thrown in jail for not doing his job? Is Hillary in jail for ignoring 3 federal judges? Is Obama? No, and they actually broke the law...repeatedly. She's not breaking any law. KY law still holds that a license is issued to a female and the governor refuses to update the law in a special session.

And she's not denying anyone their rights. In the event of a clerk not being available, ANY clerk or county judge can issue the license.

The remedy for this situation in KY is clear - impeachment, NOT imprisonment.

This woman is being targeted specifically to make a point. The degenerates wanting a license could go to the next county or have the judge executive sign it. But they insist that the one person who has a problem with it be the one to sign it. It's not about equal rights it's about acceptance and winning their victory over Christianity.

 

[lskdfjldsf]

As a religious guy, I can co-sign GlobalMan's post. However, the challenge in maintaining a completely secular society is in regulating social behavior, which historically stems from Christian values and in practice stems from Christian traditions. I think we can all agree that the enforced secularism of the 1960's (feminism, gay rights, multiculturalism) and breakdown of the traditional American values that made the country powerful and prosperous has had unintended consequences, allowing the reigns to fall in the hands of people who'd otherwise be institutionalized as moral degenerates and shunned from society.

Social behavior must be regulated. It's the immune system of a nation and people. As America becomes more ethnically and ideologically "vibrant" it's important now more than ever to retain some sort of moral backbone in society. With that being said, this can only be done through the enactment and enforcement of laws and regulations. Government workers (as opposed to politicians) have a legal obligation to follow and enforce the laws and regulations enacted by politicians, and it's a violation of public trust to refuse these job responsibilities. I can commend her as a Christian and certainly sympathize, but at the end of the day, she holds an elected government position. Render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

 

[porscheguy]

Would a mayor be thrown in jail for not doing his job? Is Hillary in jail for ignoring 3 federal judges? Is Obama?

This I believe is considered a strawman argument. KY Hamplanet is not in jail for breaking the law, she's in jail for contempt of court.

No, and they actually broke the law...repeatedly.

Irrelevant.

She's not breaking any law. KY law still holds that a license is issued to a female and the governor refuses to update the law in a special session.

She is in contempt of court. And Federal law supersedes state law. Don't believe me?

The Supremacy Clause is the provision in Article Six, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution that establishes the United States Constitution, federal statutes, and treaties as "the supreme law of the land." It provides that these are the highest form of law in the United States legal system, and mandates that all state judges must follow federal law when a conflict arises between federal law and either a state constitution or state law of any state.

This is high school civics BTW.

And she's not denying anyone their rights. In the event of a clerk not being available, ANY clerk or county judge can issue the license.

She most certainly is violating the rights of the fags in that county. The supreme court said anal marriage is OK, and she's not giving marriage licenses for anal marriage. She's denied their right to equal protection and due process under the 14th amendment. KY Hamplanet was given the option to allow her deputy county clerks to sign off on anal marriage, but she wouldn't hear of it. She doesn't want her name on any anal marriage document. But as the court clerk, her name is going to be on any official document the office issues. But none of this shit really matters because she's in contempt.

The remedy for this situation in KY is clear - impeachment, NOT imprisonment.

She's not in jail for failing to do her job, she's in jail for contempt. She failed to follow a legal order from the judge. Whether or not she'll be impeached is anyone's guess. That's a sidenote for the county to deal with.

This woman is being targeted specifically to make a point. The degenerates wanting a license could go to the next county or have the judge executive sign it. But they insist that the one person who has a problem with it be the one to sign it. It's not about equal rights it's about acceptance and winning their victory over Christianity.

When she was elected she was sworn into office. She most likely swore to uphold all state and federal laws, and to uphold the constitution. If her personal beliefs do not permit her to perform the duties of the job she was elected to and swore to do, then she should resign. The only person on a crusade is her.

 

[Phoenix]

Porshe, what if the federal judges fail in their oath to uphold the constitution?

 

[Truck'n]

If you break the rules at work you get fired. She didn't commit any criminal offenses (no violation of life or property) yet goes to jail instead of being fired?

The beginning of the fagstapo.

She holds an elected office. So she doesn't really have a boss like most of the rest of us. Therefore, termination with immediate effect isn't going to happen here. The faggots were discriminated against by a public official. They took their dispute to the courts which is appropriate. It ultimately landed in federal court. The judge ordered her to perform her job. She refused to comply with a perfectly legal order from the court to perform the job she was elected to and swore that she would perform. She's in jail because her actions essentially told the judge to go fuck himself. Judges generally don't like that.

Would a mayor be thrown in jail for not doing his job? Is Hillary in jail for ignoring 3 federal judges? Is Obama? No, and they actually broke the law...repeatedly. She's not breaking any law. KY law still holds that a license is issued to a female and the governor refuses to update the law in a special session.

And she's not denying anyone their rights. In the event of a clerk not being available, ANY clerk or county judge can issue the license.

The remedy for this situation in KY is clear - impeachment, NOT imprisonment.

This woman is being targeted specifically to make a point. The degenerates wanting a license could go to the next county or have the judge executive sign it. But they insist that the one person who has a problem with it be the one to sign it. It's not about equal rights it's about acceptance and winning their victory over Christianity.

Thank you for laying out the specifics and showing how horribly political and facist this imprisonment is.

There are so many paths that this scenario could take. There could be a hearing in which she was able to be legally represented. She could be impeached (although that would be a state procedure and not a Federal one). That particular county in Kentucky could lose its Federal funding that it receives for roads and schools. For fucks sake, there has not even been a grand jury or an indictment.

This is draconian.

If she broke the law, issue an arrest warrant and set bail. But just throw her in jail, WTF???

 

[porscheguy]

Porshe, what if the federal judges fail in their oath to uphold the constitution?

It's up to Congress to decide if Federal judges fail to uphold their oath, and it's up to Congress to impeach them if necessary. But I suspect you're trying to turn this back into "she's in jail for being against anal marriage." That's not the case. She's in jail because she refused to obey a lawful order from a Federal judge. It's called contempt. She could be released immediately if she complies with the order or she resigns.

 

[Phoenix]

No I'm trying to turn it towards nullification. If a branch of the federal government is violating the constitutional separation of powers, state executives are within their right to resist. If they don't, this just keeps edging towards a federal 'decision' that the states are non-entities and that the US is a unitary state.

 

[porscheguy]

Thank you for laying out the specifics and showing how horribly political and facist this imprisonment is.

There are so many paths that this scenario could take. There could be a hearing in which she was able to be legally represented. She could be impeached (although that would be a state procedure and not a Federal one). That particular county in Kentucky could lose its Federal funding that it receives for roads and schools. For fucks sake, there has not even been a grand jury or an indictment.

This is draconian.

If she broke the law, issue an arrest warrant and set bail. But just throw her in jail, WTF???

There's nothing draconian or fascist about this. If you are in a court case, and the presiding judge(with legal authority) tells you to do A, B, or C, and you do none of the above, you are in contempt. They may opt to give you a second chance, as they did with this woman (they gave her an alternative solution). However, if you still refuse to comply, you will eventually find yourself in jail.