Kings Wiki Update Thread

Jean Valjean

 
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Delta said:
I take no issue with A.V. Yader's overall message that facebook profiles are just carefully crafted bullshit, and I'm not terribly fixated on the "lying, duplicitous scumbags" quote either. I'm speaking to a larger problem.

In any ideological group, not just this one, members have a tendency to say outrageous and idiotic things when speaking to their like-minded peers. Not having to consider the opposition's counterarguments (because the opposition isn't around to present them) brings out the worst in people. It's how college liberals have become so unbelievably crazy with the lack of intellectual diversity on campus. Unfortunately, we're not immune to the effect either, and the quote I highlighted earlier is just one example of many.

Consider it this way: How hard would you want to hammer a feminist who said that men are "nothing but scumbags?"

I strongly encourage everyone, whether posting or writing articles, to write under the mindset that you're speaking to a general audience, not just fellow RVF members. It's the best way to ward off intellectual laziness and prevent yourself from saying something ridiculous that may turn off men who could otherwise benefit from the community.

The feminists and SJWs drove us out of the relatively neutral, mainstream forums where we otherwise would've shared our views. For the sake of reaching more people, we would've moderated our tone to appeal to the masses, if we'd been allowed to continue speaking in those places. But whenever we dissented in the slightest from the party line or said anything mildly politically incorrect, they called us extremists, bigots, misogynists, etc. and kicked us out.

Therefore, we had to retreat to our own "safe spaces" where we could speak freely, and where entryist feminists and SJWs were banned in order to keep them from taking over and disrupting the conversation through censorship, shaming, etc. (as they do in every other online community that tolerates their presence). Naturally, this tended to produce a radicalization and a polarization of the discourse. But whose fault is that?

For the most part, feminists and SJWs refuse to engage their opponents in any kind of civil debate. When we're on their turf (e.g. a college campus, or a corporate workplace policed by HR), we're forced to stay quiet to avoid offending them, because they don't want to hear what we have to say. So it's easy to get out of the habit of accommodating their sensibilities when we do decide to express our opinions, in a place where we're free to do so.

Our only choices are to either acquiesce entirely to all SJW and feminist doctrine, or be branded intolerant, ignorant, hateful, etc. Since they're going to hate on us anyway, we have no particular reason to try to moderate our tone to appease them, when the time comes that we decide not to go along with their agenda.

We can try to meet our opponents halfway, but they're not going to meet us halfway, so what's the point? Whom are we trying to appeal to? The public is not going to openly come over to our side (although they might vote for someone like Donald Trump in the privacy of the voting booth) till the rebellion against political correctness has been successful enough that people feel it's safe to speak their minds. In trying to accomplish that rebellion, sometimes we can make effective use of tools like rhetoric, which help us to excite and rally the troops, and provoke a rash response from our critics. (So yes, it's arguably a form of trolling, but it's for a good cause.)
 

jps

 
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fokker

 
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I've submitted my problem with being unable to log in to Kings Wiki to the Brave forums for review. When my post is approved, I'll link it here.
 

Jean Valjean

 
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fokker said:
I've submitted my problem with being unable to log in to Kings Wiki to the Brave forums for review. When my post is approved, I'll link it here.

It works when I try it. Are you using the latest version of Brave? If the problem persists, I can try upgrading to MediaWiki 1.28, although I have no particular reason to think that will fix the problem.
 

idris

 
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https://wonkette.com/614356/clown-faced-wonkette-typist-world-famous-among-creepy-mra-douchebags

Robyn Pennacchia said:
Hello Wonkers! I was just a-Googlin’ myself earlier, for reasons, when I noticed that on the very first page of my Google results was an entry in the RETURN OF KINGS Wiki.

[...]

Because guess what? Anyone can edit the Return of Kings Wiki. Even you! Not that I am suggesting anyone go over there and change the definition of Red Pill to suggest that it is the delusion that everyone in the world is conspiring to do cultural marxism to you and deny you the subservient wife of your dreams or anything like that. Just noting a thing that happens to be true.
 

jps

 
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fokker said:
I wonder what happened to Conchis. He doesn't seem to have posted or been on the wiki since February.

Still around, buddy. This thread didn't seem too effective for what I set out to do with it. Now I'm in the middle of relocating my family due to job cuts. I survived the cuts but the position no longer exists, so I took another in a different state. I'm still lurking but active work will be slow.
 

Jean Valjean

 
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jps said:
fokker said:
I wonder what happened to Conchis. He doesn't seem to have posted or been on the wiki since February.

Still around, buddy. This thread didn't seem too effective for what I set out to do with it. Now I'm in the middle of relocating my family due to job cuts. I survived the cuts but the position no longer exists, so I took another in a different state. I'm still lurking but active work will be slow.

Admit it, you've been cheating on us with another wiki! HOW COULD YOU!
 

jps

 
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Jean Valjean said:
Admit it, you've been cheating on us with another wiki! HOW COULD YOU!

I have, I have! I was so inspired by Kings Wiki that I went and created my own! It was so fresh and virginal that it distracted me from my old steady Kings Wiki. And I certainly wasn't about to go for that bitter old hag Wikipedia.

I've been pretty frustrated by the login issue with Firefox in Windows. But I'm going the Linux route and it's not a problem any more. (Both OSs had the latest version.) Now I'm spending part-time on each OS, so I'll be on Kings Wiki more. But I still don't plan on updating this thread like I was since it wasn't getting results.
 

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jps said:
But I still don't plan on updating this thread like I was since it wasn't getting results.

I've been following your updates. I'm not as active on King'sWiki as I once was but it's still on my list of things to do.
 

Jean Valjean

 
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jps said:
Jean Valjean said:
Admit it, you've been cheating on us with another wiki! HOW COULD YOU!

I have, I have! I was so inspired by Kings Wiki that I went and created my own! It was so fresh and virginal that it distracted me from my old steady Kings Wiki. And I certainly wasn't about to go for that bitter old hag Wikipedia.

I've been pretty frustrated by the login issue with Firefox in Windows. But I'm going the Linux route and it's not a problem any more. (Both OSs had the latest version.) Now I'm spending part-time on each OS, so I'll be on Kings Wiki more. But I still don't plan on updating this thread like I was since it wasn't getting results.

It was helping you approach the 50-post mark, though. But perhaps there's another way to get there. Maybe start posting about what a badass you are, and then invite people to come to Nashville?
 

jps

 
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Jean Valjean said:
It was helping you approach the 50-post mark, though. But perhaps there's another way to get there. Maybe start posting about what a badass you are, and then invite people to come to Nashville?

If any of you motherfuckers think your some kinda bad ass. Any corn fed tough guys think they got the stuff? Come to Nashville TN Lincoln NE. I got 1k that says I whip your fucking ass like a crack whore that owes some money.

God, I've wanted to use that copypasta for weeks now.

Alright, gentlemen. I've finished moving my family and am ready to resume. Updates will resume in a slightly different form with an emphasis on adding depth to existing articles and then featuring those articles here as "Articles of the Now." (Translation: we can't get our random article feature to work due to caching issues.)

I'm debating whether I want to flesh out the physical culture content (lifting, diet, history, famous figures, etc.) or the nationalism content. Any feedback, feel free to post here.

I'd also note that there's a major opportunity for a game guru to flesh out that content. There are plenty of areas in the wiki that are more placeholders than anything.
 

jps

 
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Note: After reflecting on this thread:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-35451.html

I don't see working on nationalism content any more. I can do that in my own private domain. There's no need to force the topic on a place where it isn't welcome and where I consider myself primarily a visitor to someone else's home. The reasons stated make practical sense, for sure.

I've always thought Kings Wiki ought to reflect the ideals of this forum. But I'm not sure I can detect an explicit central concept (or concepts) of the Agathon around which the forum is organized. If our ultimate good is to adapt to the ever-evolving social landscape in order to bust nuts in places other than our hands then Kings Wiki ought to focus on game. But then the forum loses its unique selling proposition and becomes just another game forum, as does the wiki.

Race discussions are usually pointless, but every online forum is to some extent a circle jerk compared to alternative IRL activities in we might choose to engage in. C'est la vie. It's a tough age in which to build all kinds of IRL relationships.

So in the meantime I will focus on less controversial (counterproductive) content. For my part that will mean physical culture related pages since it has an immediate self-improvement relevance. This is my best guess as to what the USP of this place is, and I really don't think it's a bad one to have.
 

Jean Valjean

 
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jps said:
Note: After reflecting on this thread:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-35451.html

I don't see working on nationalism content any more. I can do that in my own private domain. There's no need to force the topic on a place where it isn't welcome and where I consider myself primarily a visitor to someone else's home. The reasons stated make practical sense, for sure.

I've always thought Kings Wiki ought to reflect the ideals of this forum. But I'm not sure I can detect an explicit central concept (or concepts) of the Agathon around which the forum is organized. If our ultimate good is to adapt to the ever-evolving social landscape in order to bust nuts in places other than our hands then Kings Wiki ought to focus on game. But then the forum loses its unique selling proposition and becomes just another game forum, as does the wiki.

Race discussions are usually pointless, but every online forum is to some extent a circle jerk compared to alternative IRL activities in we might choose to engage in. C'est la vie. It's a tough age in which to build all kinds of IRL relationships.

So in the meantime I will focus on less controversial (counterproductive) content. For my part that will mean physical culture related pages since it has an immediate self-improvement relevance. This is my best guess as to what the USP of this place is, and I really don't think it's a bad one to have.

I don't think censorship is going to be a problem at Kings Wiki for the foreseeable future. You can probably express yourself pretty freely there. When you're the ugly forgotten bastard step-child, you don't have to worry about people trying to control you so much. The fact that the family doesn't care about you or view you as much of a reflection on them works to your advantage, because it means that you're allowed to do stuff that the favored daughter wouldn't be able to get away with.

You know my philosophy on success and failure. When you become successful, you start to lose some of your freedom. You become the Establishment, in a way, because in order to hold onto your popularity, you have to cater to the masses. (Or in the case of the old media, now that the masses are losing interest in them, they have to cater to the oligarchs.)

When Kings Wiki had its initial burst of activity and we were being more heavily promoted, there was more of a concern that we needed to watch what we said and cultivate a certain image that was compatible with the culture of RVF, RoK, etc., with which we were at that time more prominently affiliated. At this point, I think just about everyone on KW is a nationalist, or at least sympathetic to nationalism. So we don't have to worry about arguments raging out of control the way they might at RVF. We can probably deal with issues like race or the JQ more frankly than we could on RVF, because there's less potential for drama.

It's kind of like the role of New Hampshire within the U.S.; it's a less populous and more homogenous community where you can go if you want to get away from multiculturalism and all the intercultural conflict that tend to be associated with it. It still has ties to those more populous and more diverse places, but it's at a distance from them.

A certain kind of crowd tends to be attracted to a place like that, while another kind of crowd is repelled by it. Most people don't prefer to live in a place where the winters are five months long, so if you choose to live there, maybe it's because you didn't fit in elsewhere. Same thing with KW; if you end up there, it might be because you didn't fit in at RVF, since all else equal, most people prefer to be where the action is.

If you not only move to New Hampshire, but go deep into the woods to live like a hermit, that implies that you didn't even fit in among the separatists, or you needed even more privacy. That's what personal wikis are all about. Hey, retreating into seclusion definitely has its advantages, when you need peace and quiet for awhile. The Wright Brothers went to Kitty Hawk for a reason.*

It seems to me that each project in the Roosh universe has a certain purpose. You'll notice, for instance, that a lot of Roosh essays start out at RooshV.com before they hit RoK. Maybe that's partly to give people a reason to read RooshV.com, since they can see the latest content that way; but RooshV.com also has a smaller readership than RoK, which means that it's suitable for situations in which it's desired to purposefully release a post to a smaller group of readers at first. KW too, as a currently less-popular project, could play a role in allowing us to develop content among a small group before releasing it more widely, via a higher-profile outlet.

* Although the name "Kitty Hawk" triggers me, because it makes me think of poor defenseless cats getting preyed upon by raptors. Nature is so unfair; what did cats ever do to deserve being picked on by birds like that?!
 
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