Spiritual Warfare Knowing the enemy: understanding Lucifer/Satan

SimpleMan

Robin
Other Christian
A way to approach the enemy, as it is written, is to Pray for them.

We can Pray for those in leadership positions who have been influenced by satan, just as many of us were at one point.

Pray for the leaders - in government, the police and within health management - and Pray for their order followers who do their bidding.

Pray for them to Remember God.
Pray for them to Fear God and His Judgement.

I'm not sure about this anymore. It may be an advanced practice so to speak.

I will refrain from posting my thoughts and my thinking.
 
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Lawrence87

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I'm not sure about this anymore. It may be an advanced practice so to speak.

I will refrain from posting my thoughts and my thinking.
Praying for our enemies is possibly the hardest thing to do for us. But difficult doesn't mean advanced.

Its like training our bodies, we aren't going to be able to lift the heaviest weight right from the get go, but we can work on smaller things. Forgiving people who cut us up when we are driving, or otherwise do innocuous things that trigger our anger. It might be very difficult at first to forgive and lovingly pray for someone who has hurt us deeply, but we can pray that God works through us to reach that point, and we can still pray for that person despite our hard-heartedness toward them.

If you are specifically feeling as though this practice is causing problems for you then discuss it with your confessor, or a trusted spiritual advisor. Don't be too hard on yourself
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
meat suits

Adding this to my repertoire.

@Viktor Zeegelaar - How does Satan work in our lives?

Relating to what @Lawrence87 notes on the nature of his works being wrapped up in niceties etc.

Someone mentioned recently that the globalists seem to need to get your consent, and likened this to the fable of having to invite a vampire into your home.

This goes back to the temptation of the apple/knowledge.

We now see this everywhere - videotaped evidence of pornography addiction, women who thought career empowerment working for Bezos and Co. seemed rosy, cutting body parts of or gluing them on in the hope that someone may find you attractive as the other gender and so on. There is an initial temporal temptation, followed by a period of pleasure. For most the pleasure will abate and be followed by decline; while the most engorged continue to feast.

It seems to me that we are in a phase in which the need for sugar-coating is declining; and that the plan is to go from temptation, to willing degradation, to hell on earth.

I think the nature of the materialism we saw from the 1920, and then more extremely from the 60s/70s was the most sugar-coated materialism you can get. Go back to the 80s and you find a time where you had attractive people, looking cool, in cool cars, but still living relatively clean lives. Much of what was produced by the media wasn't openly subversive and filled with dark imagery.

But as with any material distribution, it will end up being unequal. Now we live in societies where virtually every issue is focused on material inequality, and most churches preach on material inequality (politics, not spirituality).

Society is increasingly full of people disaffected from material distribution. They may say the distribution has to be modified, or even burned down. The only concern is material and the outcome is one that suits them and their meat suit.

We need to try and see the material realities through a spiritual lens. Some incels take the fornication famine that is growing as a need for material redistribution - fornication should be provided as a human right. While the Christian tradition is that one man and one woman should be bound till death do they part in a spiritual union.

Something approaching an equal material distribution cannot be attained, never mind maintained. Much of the madness to induce equity will quickly disappear once the force that coerced it is removed. Yet it was only possible to maintain societies with an average partner count of ~1.0 for over 1,000 years, because the intent was spiritual.

Satan and his disciples will always induce us to view everything materially. Any society with a material basis will provide him ample suffering to feed on and kindling to establish his kingdom.

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An interesting phenomena is the nature of the self-eroding left.

The rule of the right is - stand on your own feet, which is applied to everyone.
While the left has two rules:

1) if you are right-wing then you have to stand on your own feet, while being persecuted
2) if you are left-wing then you get some degree of unearned spoils, whether it be a soft cushy environment that suits you; power; or gibs

We are seeing more people being pushed from the soft-end of 2) into 1), all in the name of being nice.

Those who were in 2) but have been told they are now in 1) against their will have stood by for decades as a nice society has been made for their benefit and against others (who never pretended to be nice). The moment that they loose their nice position is the exact moment they stop thinking it is nice. This is materialism.

In a materialistic (non-Christian) society people will pretend to have principles, like, I don't know - that concentrated media ownership is bad and that big corporations are bad - but as soon those things become beneficial to them they will no longer hold the principles and will acknowledge any change. Those whose principles remain even when they become undesirable for them are likely virtuous.

This niceness of the left and establishment is a socialised form of what psychologists call borderline personality disorder (BPD), or symptoms of it. It is unable to gain what it covets by force and coercion. Instead it obtains by emotional manipulation. One minute it loves you, the next it is trying to kill you. It pretends it is a victim to gain favour. It detests any criticism. It uses emotion to separate people. Its operations are subtle, covert and hard to discern. It presents what it feels it needs to get what it wants, not what is true.

To interface with a BPD you must be eternally nice to it. They tell you tolerance is a virtue because its nice for them.
 

Good_Shepherd

Robin
Other Christian
I think its important to also mention that God didn't create satan he created lucifer the angel who later became satan, the same way God didnt create Adam & Eve sinners they fell later. There is a hierarchy in nature & also with the angels & just like a lot of woman in the world dont accept the husband is the head satan also didnt accept the way God made him & wanted to be something else, in lucifers case the God head. The chickens and ducks cant decide they want to be lions they must accept who they are, the order of God
Satan was created the highest of the angels, called the “Morning Star” in Isaiah (the brightest of the stars, a term used to refer to the heavenly host in Scripture). As the chief angel, Satan was the most radiant of the “sons of God,” probably in his own mind the crown jewel of creation—a perfect celestial being.

Then God makes man. A seemingly bizarre cross between the physical and spiritual worlds. Unlike the perfect spiritual beings that are the angels, meat bag humans perform crass bodily functions like defecation and carnal relations. The angels were told by God that these peculiar beings are the actual crown jewel of creation. Angels and all creatures would be subject to man. The angels were created by God to serve Him by serving man.

The Angels would act as celestial caretakers, members of the divine council until man was ready to take his place on the same (see Revelation, where the Holy Angels cede their thrones to the Elders, etc.). This is what the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” was all about. In the Book of Kings, we see Solomon ask for wisdom, i.e., the ability to discern between “good and evil” (1 Kings 3:9). (Spoiler: Solomon, David’s Son, is a type of David’s Greater Son, Christ, Who is the Second Adam). Man is meant to take dominance over creation after attaining wisdom.

So, when Eve begins demonstrating wisdom by telling Satan, who was sent down to her as the chief guide for mankind, that they shouldn’t even TOUCH the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (something God never explicitly said, but is a reasonable and WISE deduction), Satan sees his kingdom slipping away and decides he can’t play into what he perceives as a cosmic facade any longer in service to these meat suits. (For perspective, imagine if God told you to bow down to a worm as your king.) So he rejects God’s plan and leads Adam and Eve astray, taking a third of the angels with him in a rebellion against God’s created order.

What Satan didn’t bank on was the Incarnation. It was always God’s intention to facilitate the Incarnation. This is the ultimate expression of man’s dominion and enthronement. God is King, and through Christ all mankind participates in His kingship. Satan is no match for the God-Man.

Of course, Satan tried to destroy man at every turn before the Incarnation. Using his place in the divine council, he would accuse (the meaning of “Satan”) man day and night (see Job). Worse, the evil angels sought a work-around, creating an unholy alliance with man through perverse unions (for how can one increase territory and dominion? through marriage alliances) to the daughters of men. The descriptions of the nephilim of Genesis 6 and the “giants” of Canaan later described in the Pentateuch bear striking similarities to demonic possession as the Church recognizes it today: elongated limbs, super strength, etc. Imagine if one was offered to a demon from birth as its de-facto vessel. All of these traits would be on steroids. And, the demons had a work-around for the whole dominion thing.

This makes so much more sense of the Flood and the annihilation of the Canaanites. In the former case, literally only Noah was left untainted by these demonic alliances (there’s a lot more subtext in the early Genesis genealogies pointing to a war between the Cainites and the Sethites that led the former to create this unholy alliance, but we won’t delve into that now). In the case of the Flood and preserving Israel from the unholy nations which had demons as their patron deities, God had to preserve a line untainted for the Incarnation.

When Christ defeated death and ascended into Heaven, Revelation 12ff tells us that the Holy Angels decisively kicked Satan and the unholy angels out of Heaven and the divine council. No more could they accuse man before God as they did to Job. Satan and his ilk were cast to earth, foaming with rage because they know their time is short—Christ is King and their plots to rule the world were brought to naught.

So that’s where we are. The good news is that Christ already won and rules all things, making us co-heirs of His kingdom. The bad news is that Satan is on earth and knows he doesn’t have much time. He wants to take as many humans with him as he can. His final act is to create an abominable false church (beast of the earth/Antichrist), which will lead many astray in tandem with a false government (beast of the sea) under the auspices of the dragon (Satan himself), an unholy “trinity.”

Because Christ exercises His rule on earth through ministers in the Church and State, which derive their authority from the created order of the family, Satan will invert the natural order of things in Church and State and attack the family unit at all
 

SimpleMan

Robin
Other Christian
@Aleksandar @Lawrence87

Thanks guys. I saw a thread that led me to learn something about collecting baggage from those who are demonically influenced if prayed for. Although I have no way of knowing if this is/was true, it reminded me to be cautious of sharing certain ideas. Some things are best left to the authority in the matters.
 

SimpleMan

Robin
Other Christian
I think its important to also mention that God didn't create satan he created lucifer the angel who later became satan.

I think I remember Fr. Ripperger, or someone in his field, mention that it really annoys satan when he is called lucifer as it reminds him of God, and that he was created by Him.

Maybe we should refer to that name when discussing him? Maybe I should capitalise that name now, as I avoid doing so with satan - just to annoy him.
 

Good_Shepherd

Robin
Other Christian
I think I remember Fr. Ripperger, or someone in his field, mention that it really annoys satan when he is called lucifer as it reminds him of God, and that he was created by Him.
Maybe we should refer to that name when discussing him? Maybe I should capitalise that name now, as I avoid doing so with satan - just to annoy him.
There was an English preacher called Smith Wigglesworth from the 1800's I liked him found him funny & interesting, he would troll satan, once at night he heard a sound at midnight so he turned on his candle & saw satan grabbing onto the foot of his bed, and he said "oh, its just you satan" and he blew out his candle and went back to sleep, hahah
 

SpyofMoses

Sparrow
Protestant
Is there a place in the Old or New Testament where one can find material on the origins of Satan? Ive heard a lot of stories about how Satan became the fallen angel but noone ever cites scripture when telling me about these things.

For what it's worth, I have read the New Testament and never found anything directly about this topic. But I'm still working on the Old Testament.
 

Good_Shepherd

Robin
Other Christian
Is there a place in the Old or New Testament where one can find material on the origins of Satan? Ive heard a lot of stories about how Satan became the fallen angel but noone ever cites scripture when telling me about these things.

For what it's worth, I have read the New Testament and never found anything directly about this topic. But I'm still working on the Old Testament.
Ezekiel 28:12-19 speaks about the cherubim that was in the garden of eden who was perfect in all his ways until he fell , Isaiah 14 is where the word lucifer appears, the morning star, Iv heard some preachers say lucifer is not satan etc, im sure there are some new testament verses about satan and pride i think in Timothy
 

SimpleMan

Robin
Other Christian
There was an English preacher called Smith Wigglesworth from the 1800's I liked him found him funny & interesting, he would troll satan, once at night he heard a sound at midnight so he turned on his candle & saw satan grabbing onto the foot of his bed, and he said "oh, its just you satan" and he blew out his candle and went back to sleep, hahah

Made me chuckle. That sounds like good approach and better than a fear response.
That really must of annoyed him : )
 
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Lawrence87

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Satan gets our compliance in increments. It's kinda like that psychological trick where you ask someone a series of questions to which the answer is 'yes' and then you end with the thing that you really want the person to say 'yes' to. He will start by suggesting something that doesn't seem too bad, and he will add to it slowly and incrementally, until you find that you have been led into some grave sin.

Another trick he will play is the 'delayed repentance' trick. He will suggest that you can repent tomorrow, that you might as well carry on with your sin because you've already started and can repent later. Often he will suggest that as you have one sin to confess, you might as well do another. We must train ourselves to repent as soon as we have the impulse!

The father of lies will tell us that Christ is not merciful to us. That our repentance is not good enough. That we are oppressed by His holy commandments. That we are no good. He will try to break us and decieve us in every way he can. Christ is merciful, His love for us surpasses our capacity to understand, he is our closest friend and greatest ally. Do not listen to the poisonous words of the evil one!
 

Lawrence87

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I have realised that I have a tendency to view the spiritual warfare as occupying two realms inner and outer. The inner being related to the things within one's own immediate sphere of control; one's thoughts, temptations, passions and so forth. The outer consisting things such as the LGBT agenda, the COVID malarky, sexual politics, the breakdown of the family, the erosion of Christian morals and so on.

There is a fundamental mistake that I was making in the spiritual warfare. This being getting too 'blackpilled' by the outer terrain of the spiritual war, and deciding I wanted to check out of it. Rather than suicidal ideation that many secular people get when they are too blackpilled, I think the Orthodox version of this is monastic ideation. Thinking to myself 'it's all gone to pot, I'll just check out, become a monk some day and try to blot it all out somehow in the meantime'.

The thing I now realise is that if you surrender the outer spiritual battle, you automatically lose the inner. I was stuck wondering why I was losing the inner battles. It's because I'd given up. I didn't want to fight. I wanted to flee from the spiritual warfare, to hide away from society until I die, and hope God would reward me for my cowardice. I now see the deception I was under. We need to avoid becoming blackpilled by the terrian of the outer battle. Whatever the odds we need to sternly set ourselves against the tide of evil that we face. Monasteries are not the refuges for the cowards who ran from this fight, they are the fortresses manned by the generals of this war. One becomes worthy of monkhood if one proves oneself by engaging in this battle head on. The reality is that the spiritual war is not compartmentalized into our personal inner war, and the wider outer war. Surrender to one is surrender to the other. You are fooling yourself if you think you can hide away and just deal with your own little battles. You either fight or you lose.

Never lose heart. God is with us
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
Great stream. I love the thumbnail. I believe that's what we ought to do to this system: give it the hand, deny it, push it away. It's not our system anymore. It's Satan's system. Let those who go along with it have fun on that ride, it will be disastrous, we can only pray for them. It's not a society we should be willing to participate in anymore, besides the necessary things. It's a society of pure evil. And let's be honest guys, if we'd ''go back'' to 2019 would everything be roses and sunshine? It'd be too far down the line to be saved anyway. We must find our way in the truth society, get away from the lie society. If you think about it what actually is it that they punish us with, keeping us away from sinful activities and people who believe in lies? Isn't it a blessing to not be able to participate in this society anymore? Full of new opportunities, people and truth? I'm looking forward to it :).

 
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Elipe

Pelican
Protestant
Isn't it a blessing to not be able to participate in this society anymore? Full of new opportunities, people and truth? I'm looking forward to it :).
An even greater blessing is being pushed into the parallel Christian society along with your brothers and sisters who love the Lord and their brothers and sisters. Aim not merely to be excluded from one society, but to be incorporated into a better one. We shouldn't always be fighting against things, but also fighting for things.
 
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