Ladies commentaries on pre and post-university transformations of women

PVW

Sparrow
Woman
Protestant
By the time many of them felt ready by 30. Most of their eggs are gone.

So there is definitely a hit to family size and mutation load. That risk multiplies every generation when repeated. And even if their children or grandchildren marry younger the damage is done.

Likewise as the cultural drift continues. This trend will increase and get even worse.

The victory will increasingly belong to women who get going on husband hunting straight out of high school sans college. Who are home schooled and resistant to the the programming.

Because I see less Men being tolerant of women who already gave their best years to other Men before them.

Expect more of this:
What you're suggesting fits in with the trend of how RooshVForum began and its current transformation.

Time will tell, of course, how the culture develops in the future, in light of the trends you are suggesting.
 
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Atlas Shrugged

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
College didn’t indoctrinate me at all. BUT, I was working and also a mom and took forever going part time. Even though my house was full of family I wanted to be there for my son. So it took me 10 years to get a 2 year degree and certification. You don’t need a bachelors for great income. I don’t know why people look down on trade schools and community college. Way better than 4 year universities. My sister and brother did go to 4 year schools and got their bachelors but I think the way our parents raised us stuck with us cause they are both still normal. As normal as my crazy family can be. Even though a lot of kids can “walk away” during their rebellious phase, if raised in a Godly home there is a great chance they will come back when they realize how dumb they were and their parents were right! Sometimes it takes hard knocks and just maturing.
 

messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
don’t know why people look down on trade schools and community college. Way better than 4 year universities.

You are correct: when done right (strategically) vocation/trade and community college graduates will out perform university undergraduates in employment prospects.

Most of the students transferring a community college degree into a four year institution are found to be more responsible, and more dedicated to achieving graduation. The maturity and accountability are established at the community college level; were academics are the priority not the “student life” entertainment provided by indoctrinating four year institutions.

Your testimony provides one example:

was working and also a mom and took forever going part time. Even though my house was full of family I wanted to be there for my son. So it took me 10 years to get a 2 year degree and certification. You don’t need a bachelors for great income.

If given the opportunity homeschooling will better prepare a child not only academically and socially, but also allow the child to be taught self sufficiency: to live in this world, rather to be of this world.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
You’re right, it has been going on for decades, and it makes sense each generation has to be even more extreme. I was never susceprible to peer pressure. I’m not saying I can’t be pressured, but with important things, no, I can’t. Maybe being an introvert helps. You learn from almost your first breath to resist pressure to change. Society is hard on introverts.

My hubby joined the navy in his early 20s to learn a trade (nuclear operator school). He knew he wanted to have a family and be a good provider. His responsible forward thinking has provided us a very good life. The guy who replaced our carpeting makes oodles of money with his business and only has one employee. The guy who replaced our roof makes oodles. My cousin makes oodles with his electric business. It’s no mega corporation either. He only employs 6 men. Trades are the way to go in my opinion, especially if you want to own your own business.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
What you're suggesting fits in with the trend of how RooshVForum began and its current transformation.

Time will tell, of course, how the culture develops in the future, in light of the trends you are suggesting.

If history is any guide that's what looks to be happening. Of course those on this forum aren't the only ones as a kind of righteous remnant. There is 7000 so to speak who haven't bowed and kissed Baal in relation to the rest of the West.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
I don't quite buy the rebellious phase in a person's youth. Young people are some of the most conformist that we know.

Their "rebellion" is very conformist with their peer group and what the dominant culture deems cool and high-status. I believe it's more to do with the fact that at that age they are meant to join the rest of society.

This "rebellion" was originally as God intended nothing more than children leaving the nest and becoming a responsible adult ready for societal roles.

Teens are basically being pushed as a result of puberty to take on both adult responsibilities and freedoms. As their own persons rather than just dependents on their parents.

It's an Ideal age range for apprenticeships by coincidence. And when children are to be treated more as Men and Women rather than children.
 
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No-Designation Man

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Don't forget that girl-gun badassery also has roots in the outback mindset of the early settlers of the American wild. Women couldn't afford to be dainty little things that spent all their time painting their nails. Women had to help their family survive, and they often had to do things that we would consider very masculine. Even so, they still retained some sort of feminineness, but it's still easy to see how the settler mindset carried forward into feminism. American women have historically been significantly more gung-ho and self-sufficient than the traditional, more fragile woman of the British Empire in their big canopy dresses.

Of course, the men were manlier back then too. If an American settler took a time machine to today, he'd say that American men today are much more feminine than even the women of his day. To a modern American man, a settler woman would have seemed pretty masculine, while her husband would have considered her dainty and feminine by the standards of the day.
Women of old were involved in hard labor just as much as their husbands - the only difference was the roles and activities were distributed according to the physical strength and capabilities of each sex. Women built things, chopped wood, drew water from wells, ran households without the advent of modern conveniences, and also were taught to use (firearms) in defense. (Even today, any sensible woman in 'northern country' knows how to use a rifle in case a black bear decides he wants to come through the door of the log cabin - true story.)

A strong/family-oriented/needs-a-man/feminine woman, and an 'empowered'/career-driven/'independent'/masculinized harpie, are two very different things - the first is a major support to God's arrangement; the second is an abomination.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Women of old were involved in hard labor just as much as their husbands - the only difference was the roles and activities were distributed according to the physical strength and capabilities of each sex. Women built things, chopped wood, drew water from wells, ran households without the advent of modern conveniences, and also were taught to use (firearms) in defense. (Even today, any sensible woman in 'northern country' knows how to use a rifle in case a black bear decides he wants to come through the door of the log cabin - true story.)

A strong/family-oriented/needs-a-man/feminine woman, and an 'empowered'/career-driven/'independent'/masculinized harpie, are two very different things - the first is a major support to God's arrangement; the second is an abomination.

There is also as I said greater individualism that ensures that the roles are more generalized. Its like bacteria needing to be a jack of all trades vs multicellular organisms that have more specialization with their respective organs.

This also helps to explain how Israel in the Wilderness, Ancient Rome,Ancient Greece and other tribal societies like the Bedouins have more sex role specialization vs individual families in cabins far apart from each other in Frontier America.

Thicker social relations meant that Women don't need to carry arms since there are more Men nearby to take care of business.

Explaining this scenario here too:

Alongside the beginning of the Book of Numbers with God conscripting the Male population at 20 and above to take up arms.

Although I think Guns also proved an equalizing force since the ability to shoot is a more unisex skill that could be acquired compared with muscle powered weapons like bows, spears and swords.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
Women of old were involved in hard labor just as much as their husbands - the only difference was the roles and activities were distributed according to the physical strength and capabilities of each sex. Women built things, chopped wood, drew water from wells, ran households without the advent of modern conveniences, and also were taught to use (firearms) in defense. (Even today, any sensible woman in 'northern country' knows how to use a rifle in case a black bear decides he wants to come through the door of the log cabin - true story.)

A strong/family-oriented/needs-a-man/feminine woman, and an 'empowered'/career-driven/'independent'/masculinized harpie, are two very different things - the first is a major support to God's arrangement; the second is an abomination.

I watched a documentary series recently about 2 couples recreating pioneer times on some acreage way out in the middle of nowhere. The thing that stuck with me (aside from spotting evidence of fakery :mad:) was the younger woman commenting on the fact that she wanted to be out doing the harder labor but was physically unable hence her being regulated to kitchen duty, laundry, etc. She realized the differing jobs we’ve traditionally taken up are due to our strengths and weaknesses rather than sexism.
 

Kitty Tantrum

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
She realized the differing jobs we’ve traditionally taken up are due to our strengths and weaknesses rather than sexism.
Technology has made it really easy for women to maneuver themselves into work situations that end up destroying them.

The establishment of complex technological systems is required in most industries to create the illusion that a woman's unit of labor and a man's unit of labor yield the same output.

If even one component of such a system ceases to function as it should (which is inevitable and happens often), it's akin to losing the power steering on your car.

Men keep trucking along when the tech fails, because men were built for the job before the tech existed, and the tech just makes their work easier and/or more productive.

Women fall apart, because the tech was the only thing that made it possible for their work to be productive at all.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Technology has made it really easy for women to maneuver themselves into work situations that end up destroying them.

The establishment of complex technological systems is required in most industries to create the illusion that a woman's unit of labor and a man's unit of labor yield the same output.

If even one component of such a system ceases to function as it should (which is inevitable and happens often), it's akin to losing the power steering on your car.

Men keep trucking along when the tech fails, because men were built for the job before the tech existed, and the tech just makes their work easier and/or more productive.

Women fall apart, because the tech was the only thing that made it possible for their work to be productive at all.

The greater the complexity the more avenues for failure. The more energy and resources it needs.
 

Luna Novem

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
To be honest, I’m a bit of a “girly girl” and, I’ll admit, naive in some ways and so my husband’s response to *me* was appropriate lol. My husband grew up with guns since he was a small child and did lots of those overnight, weekend, safety/training courses but I have absolutely zero experience. I’m pretty sure he thinks that if he said “ok” then I’d be taking our youngest for a stroller walk down the street dressed like Emiliano Zapata while waving to our neighbors :laughter:
LOL.

I had zero experience prior to 2015, but now I have my conceal carry permit and a gun that's mine. I don't feel the need for it often, but lemme tell ya, I definitely appreciate it sometimes when I'm home alone and anything remotely sketchy occurs in the neighborhood. (It's a very safe neighborhood by and large, but stuff still can and does happen.)

Now my biggest issue is that ammo's expensive! :)
 

Kitty Tantrum

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
When it comes to shooting, I tend to think it would be ideal for EVERYONE to have the basics of firearms use and maintenance down.

Women do not belong on the battlefield, but we have NEVER been exempt from defending the home front.

E V E R .

Anyone who buys into the notion of women as dainty creatures who should never get their hands dirty and never fight, is either delusional or a gender-fetishist or both.

Your vision of a woman in a pristine dress perched in a window seat drinking tea while reading classic literature was brought to you by astroturfing.

It's just as bad as the other extreme of masculinized women in jeans and flannel toting guns everywhere and spitting out the windows of their lifted pickup trucks.
 

Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
Your vision of a woman in a pristine dress perched in a window seat drinking tea while reading classic literature was brought to you by astroturfing.
I do not know what astroturfing is but I don't see why a woman can't be doing this while the roast is in the oven and also have a garter-strap .45 for emergencies. Unless she left it in her leveled F150.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
When it comes to shooting, I tend to think it would be ideal for EVERYONE to have the basics of firearms use and maintenance down.

Women do not belong on the battlefield, but we have NEVER been exempt from defending the home front.

E V E R .

Anyone who buys into the notion of women as dainty creatures who should never get their hands dirty and never fight, is either delusional or a gender-fetishist or both.

Your vision of a woman in a pristine dress perched in a window seat drinking tea while reading classic literature was brought to you by astroturfing.

It's just as bad as the other extreme of masculinized women in jeans and flannel toting guns everywhere and spitting out the windows of their lifted pickup trucks.
The exception is when it comes from an invading army. A group of criminals acting as a squad or squads of them.

By the time the battle has come to the home front. I believe it's already over. Unless she plans to fight to the death which the result in her being killed along with her family. Which will cut off any chance at capture that may have existed.

Or its in the course of running away through a planned escape route.
 
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infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Anyone who buys into the notion of women as dainty creatures who should never get their hands dirty and never fight, is either delusional or a gender-fetishist or both.

Your vision of a woman in a pristine dress perched in a window seat drinking tea while reading classic literature was brought to you by astroturfing.

The stereotype does fit. I think in the English Empire. That woman is definitely wealthy likely came from a rich family and served by maids and butlers. Have their own micro-Edens where they do drink tea and read classic literature.

They live in Mansions with plenty of well trained guards and in neighborhoods with plenty of well trained policemen who sweep the streets clean of crime.

A result of complex civilization but they get the most benefits out of it. Also prone to fainting because she is wearing a corset that suffocates her.

That's where the stereotype of femininity comes from in Western culture.

When sex roles become so specialized and Men end up monopolizing all the hardships.



Now in regards to the poorer women without all those luxuries. Then the woman's role is more like a tomboy. And this is the type of woman that is most likely to colonize the American frontiers.

Its not so much of a far leap for her to embrace arms because of necessity and because of relative isolation of the family homestead.

You are right its a form of astroturf. Because its the rich woman's ideal that is popularized.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
This comment from the Men's forum is case in point:
In Frozen, the repeating chorus is, "Let it go, let it go, that perfect girl is gone." Thus, the little girl will grow up with the idea that being "perfect" is bad. And yet, "perfect" is just a synonym for positive attributes: i.e. beauty, cleanliness, striving for goals, etc. Moreover, she will by default learn that being imperfect is the ideal: i.e. dirty, unfeminine, etc.

The following line is "The cold never bothered me anyway," This is just another way of saying "I like bad and/or disturbing things."

When a little girl has repeated these lines a thousand times (as children are apt to do), the words will become etched in her subconscious. And many years from now, when the media presents a theme of degenerate darkness, the woman will align herself with the cause(s) as if it organically arose from her subconscious.


Physical defense is not the only defense that is needed. Memetic and Spiritual Warfare is definitely the purview of both sexes.
 
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christie2

Robin
Woman
Orthodox
I do not know what astroturfing is but I don't see why a woman can't be doing this while the roast is in the oven and also have a garter-strap .45 for emergencies. Unless she left it in her leveled F150.
She can be doing both.

However, the level of fatigue or weariness is unmatched except for that of what I'm starting to read of the martyrs.

The sheer volume of time to commit to being both has to be manipulated.
Her selfperception also has to be constantly manipulated.

Telling herself.."I'm a skilled roastmaker who cuts, marinates, sears, seasons and roasts delicious food that is accompanied by roast sauce, and side dishes consistently and repetitively..."
then,
"I'm a skilled handgun shooter who regularly and efficiently maintains and practices cleaning, oiling, loading, drawing and accurately shooting at centre mass targets then taking cover"

Manipulate her time to 50% one skill then 50% the other skill?

But these are just two skills out tens of thousands of gender skills.

It does make for interesting passing of time while an unmarried woman; but then one day, you become redpilled and realise if only you could have nurtured your complement who had his own set of skills different than yours, you could have relaxed into a less fatigued and weary natural role.



As it is, it will take more time for men to feel enthusiastic about learning multiple skills for themselves again. The ptsd in men because of feminism has almost totally disheartened them. The joie de vivre is missing in men to be excited about learning many practical manly skills.

I wish I knew men in person that could help teach these skills to the next generation. There is such a need for it today.
*rant over*
 
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