Leaving my Home Country for Australia

[BURNΞR]

My sister had a worthless Bachelor degree in underwater basket weaving but managed to get working visa sponsorship at a marketing company and now she's about to get permanent residency.

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work...ing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/SOL

Nobody can advise you on what profession on the SOL to take up. It's your life and I can't tell you to take up being a locksmith or panelbeater just because it's on the list.

Funny story, I knew a guy that was do a degree in pharmacy because being a pharmacist was on the SOL list years ago. Midway through his studies the government took pharmacist off the list so the guy dropped out of pharmacy and became a bricklayer! I thought he was insane but his determination proved me otherwise - he got his PR and became a citizen a full year ahead of me.

 

[Mr. Ripley]

You're better off getting into a trade than a Bachelors degree,if you want to cut it in the working man's paradise mate.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Nursing is always a good fallback if you can hack female-dominated workplaces.

Once you graduate you can quickly aim for a specialised role like community nursing to get away from the THOTs or use your credits toward a more manly pursuit like becoming a paramedic.

 

[david.garrett84]

My Background:
I am studying Eduaction to become a teacher, but could also change career path easily.

Australia = terrible place to be a teacher

I was amazed by Australia and ist multicultural society. A multicultural society how it should be and not how Germany is becoming.

Really? No offence, but I think you spent too much time with fellow European backpackers.

Read about the problems in Fairfield or Lakemba in Sydney, or the Apex gang in Melbourne that the Andrews Labor government in Victoria is doing shit-all about. All in the name of multiculturalism.

 

[DirtyGlobal]

My Background:
I am studying Eduaction to become a teacher, but could also change career path easily.

Australia = terrible place to be a teacher

I was amazed by Australia and ist multicultural society. A multicultural society how it should be and not how Germany is becoming.

Really? No offence, but I think you spent too much time with fellow European backpackers.

Read about the problems in Fairfield or Lakemba in Sydney, or the Apex gang in Melbourne that the Andrews Labor government in Victoria is doing shit-all about. All in the name of multiculturalism.

Why is Australia a terrible place to be a teacher ?

I never went to Fairfield, so I don´t know. But I can imagine the banlieue of Paris is 1000 times worse. And it´s jsut one suburb of Sydney. Go to big german cities and the whole city looks like fairfield. Or just go to big train stations, for example in Frankfurt. You have it everywhere here. When I was in Australia I saw one muslim woman covered up. And thats in 8 months. In Germany I see them here daily. No comparison.

 

[BURNΞR]

I'd enquire on what you have to do to get your German teaching credentials recognised in Australia. That's something you should look into now. Your plan looks pretty risk free so far

 

[bootyhuntah]

I spent a couple years living and working in OZ. Had a great time, it's a place where social circle definitely helps like anywhere else. I definitely recommend meeting locals and foreigners while there. A lot of expats hang out in packs, like the spaniards, Italians, French, Thai, etc. Once you get in with one they will introduce you to their circles which is where you can get some nice traction with girls that aren't Aussie.

Amazing weather and beaches in general though, and generally good pay with respect to the cost of living. Nice quality of life although politically it is very liberal. Baristas there can make $25/hr. Contract engineering work is very high like $70-80+/hr. Not sure about teaching jobs though.

You will be exotic so that always helps with the local women. I probably prefer American girls over Ozzie girls in general but Ozzie girls seem to be less hell-bent on getting married like USA girls. It's a societal thing.

Visa-wise, depending on how old you are: you can get a work and holiday Visa that will allow you to live and work in the country for up to one year (but work no more than 6 months for any one employer). If you're looking at SOL jobs, there's two options: the 457 employer sponsored version and there's also an independent option that you can apply for once you're in country but it will cost you a few grand and takes a bit of time to process.

You can enter the country on the work/holiday Visa and then apply for employer sponsored jobs if your occupation is in the SOL list. Or go the independent option which is very similar to getting a green card. Let me know if you have any further qs.

 

[bootyhuntah]

Almost forgot, there's also the regional sponsored visa option which is a sponsorship from local govt in less developed or less desirable areas. I believe there's a minimum amount of time you have to spend in these areas to satisfy the requirements of the Visa but once you do, you can apply for PR I believe.

 

[BURNΞR]

If he can get his skill recognised when he finishes his studies he ought to go skilled independent. With sponsorships they will pay you the minimum and you are locked in.

German guys who are moderately okay looking and average height can slay here. Quality is an issue though.

 

[DirtyGlobal]

Thanks for all the input so far !
What I am thinking about is change of getting PR.

1. I need to get a degree for a job that is on the SOL. Who knows if it is still there when I graduate ?
2. When I graduate I need to get a positive outcome from the assessing authority. Maybe I will get denied.
3. I need to have 60 points. So far if I do everything as planned I would get 55 points. The 5 points could come from somewhere.
4. I would get an invitation from the government to apply. I heard stories that people are denied with 60 points and a positive outcome from the assessing authority.
5. Money, money, money.

Its a long road and its not even sure that I pass all the listed 5 points here.
So, do you think it is a risky road to take ?

 

[Jack Of All Trades]

of course it is you can always try knocking up a girl from Oz

 

[BURNΞR]

Thanks for all the input so far !
What I am thinking about is change of getting PR.

1. I need to get a degree for a job that is on the SOL. Who knows if it is still there when I graduate ?
2. When I graduate I need to get a positive outcome from the assessing authority. Maybe I will get denied.
3. I need to have 60 points. So far if I do everything as planned I would get 55 points. The 5 points could come from somewhere.
4. I would get an invitation from the government to apply. I heard stories that people are denied with 60 points and a positive outcome from the assessing authority.
5. Money, money, money.

Its a long road and its not even sure that I pass all the listed 5 points here.
So, do you think it is a risky road to take ?

1. Nobody can tell the future. The only road map one can use are the supply and demand studies given to the government each year which give out recommendations.

2. Doubt you will get denied. If you have the proper credentials and your job is on the SOL that is. The only people that have a hard time are the ones with experience but no relevant degree, these people need 2+ years of experience.

3. language tests for assistant interpreters for German and get 5 points.

4. That is rare, unheard of. Usually they have issues like criminal record, from 3rd world countries with ties to terrorism, etc. Won't apply to you. Usually these people have serious problems they aren't disclosing. One girl I know had a criminal record for DUI. Never mentioned it to me until her application was rejected.

5. Work and save. Borrow.

 

[Quaestum]

DirtyGlobal,

Speaking as a fellow countryman: Just keep in mind that the grass is usually greener on the other side of the fence. And don't make the foolish mistake to think that your time on the Working Holiday Visa will be the same if you're a, say, teacher in Australia.

Yes, Australia does have some advantages - better working multicultural society, an economy that's close to the strength of Germany's, good weather and shiny cities with a high standard of living.

I'm in New Zealand and for me, the four biggest flaws of living here are:

- Getting somewhere takes ages (this is probably slightly better when staying in Victoria/New South Wales, but equally fucked if not even worse than in NZ when living elsewhere: flights are expensive compared to Europe, driving takes looong).
- Huge distance back home. You'll want to visit family, they celebrate, marry and die - often you can't spontaneously make time to get on planes for >25 hours, stay in Germany for a while, and do the whole thing again to get back.
- Reasonably far away from everywhere but Australia and the Pacific Islands (for you, this would be NZ and South East Asia), meaning that travelling overseas always comes at a premium.
- High living expenses in general, sometimes pushing into the absurd - especially when coming from Germany. I assume you would live in one of the big cities, just remember that Sydney and Melbourne are among the most expensive cities in the world.

All this would apply to you too. If you're committed to living in Australia, absolutely go for it - everybody should live abroad for a couple of years, it has helped my personal growth more than anything before. But do weigh the pros and cons carefully. Overall, if you can list more pros than cons for yourself personally, I'd say take the risk, you only live once.

At least you'd have access to some German food (Aldi) and European amenities (eBay, Ikea, ...) in Australia, things that I miss profoundly here from time to time. Given the German expat population in cities like Melbourne, it shouldn't be too hard to mingle with people from our own culture if you're inclined to do so at all.

 

[Dirkus]

Nursing is always a good fallback if you can hack female-dominated workplaces.

Once you graduate you can quickly aim for a specialised role like community nursing to get away from the THOTs or use your credits toward a more manly pursuit like becoming a paramedic.

I can vouch for that - I'm an RN.

There's hordes of Philippinos, British, Irish, even Canadian - and yes, even German nurses in the system. But yes, you would have to be able to hack the female-dominated workplace - which - being a more 'red-pill inclined guy' lately is absolutely no shy feat with some of the conversations I must bear witness to on a daily basis. That means you 'get with the program', bite your tongue more often than not, and maintain professionalism (aka political correctness). Hell, in the latest batch of Med graduates coming out from a certain Uni here there was more women coming through than men. I'm not even 2 years post-grad and have already thought about my life after nursing. And yes, paramedics is an option either to begin with or if you have prior experience in Emergency or Critical Care nursing as a 1 year bridging course.

Or you could get into more evenly based gender ratios: namely in Emergency nursing (what I'm about to do) Intensive Care or Mental Health nursing; which is basically reading the paper, doing a few notes - and giving out meds. By all accounts a very cushy job and is simply night and day compared to the task oriented world of general nursing and something I may consider. Regardless, we all get paid the same - a grad RN in WA starts at $62k AUD PA (not including penalty rates) and if you play the game and move up the ladder senior nurses can earn upwards of 120-140k PA if you're willing to work nights, weekends etc. for those penalties.

But that's looking at a 5-10 year commitment post-grad to get anywhere near that (and the bachelor's degree alone is 3 years and with a LOT of unpaid work experience and jumping through hoops). However, in some ways I should be discouraging internationals coming here as basically half of all local graduates coming out now can't find their first job and are left scratching their heads after working their butts off over 3 years. How? Why? Cash grabbing universities not capping their numbers with how many students they take (unlike Medicine). Thus, we have a glut of grads who can't get their first job - much like Teaching (though probably not quite as bad as there's more diversity of areas you can work in with nursing). Then you get said mentioned Phillippinas, Irish etc swooping those 'experience required' positions which the grads are ineligible for anyway.

Anyway, GL to ya OP.

Also Leonard, what is THOT? :dodgy:

I've thought about community nursing, but at the moment I've found a good middle ground in the sticks of WA with subsidised accomodation, and can save most of my money - albeit tenable women in the sticks is even MORE scarce than the wasteland that is Perth

Pros and cons, pros and cons.

 

[sonderho]

Hello guys,
I am thinking about leaving my Home Country - Which is Germany.

Why that ?
I´ve been travelling the last year and have been to Australia, New Zealand , China, India and Indonesia. I explored the world and there are so many places to live a great life in. In Germany you can definately lead a great life and thats why half the world streams to Germany. I don´t need to explain you the situation in Germany but with the "Refugee" Crisis and Immigration politics I see a very dark future for whole Germany and for me aswell.

My Background:
I am studying Eduaction to become a teacher, but could also change career path easily.

My target:
I was amazed by Australia and ist multicultural society. A multicultural society how it should be and not how Germany is becoming. Anyway, I am dreaming about moving to Australia. Secondary School Teacher is a job they are looking for and I need to make some research, but its a way to start a new life. I am also thinking about taking a job from the SOL (Skilled Occupation List) and do my training here in Germany and then moving there with this job.

Anybody has experience on how to move to Australia ?
Anybody done it and can tell me if its easy when you have a job from the SOL ?
And is it worth it ?

Cheers guys

Unless you want a more relaxing lifestyle and genuinely believe your career will improve and NOT wanting to move here for the girls I'd highly discourage you to unless you're white (which you probably are) and willing to up your level of game/extroversion for the sole reason that the girls attitudes here are relatively cut throat....

Multiculturalism is alright in theory....but what I've found is that where there is less of a race the environment can be more pleasant, in places where there are a lot of one race say in Melbourne or Sydney, lets say Asians for example, people start to get wary about it compared to if there were less.

 

[Sebastian]

I've never been to Australia. What I found very interesting was Aussie guys were hanging out in L.A and they were saying it was cheap. (price of liquor, cigarette, food, bar taps, cars, clothes etc) They must have a strong economy somehow even though I haven't seen any made in Australia products (Uggs maybe?)

 

[Australia Sucks]

Hey O.P. I have a family member that is a self employed registered migration agent (they are currently overseas but I will see them again in two or three weeks) so if you have any specific questions send me a p.m. and I will try to answer it for your in a few weeks time.

There are many visa types in Australia:
-Work and Holiday visa (for those people from certain countries who are under 30)
-Tourist visa
-Student Visa
-Dependant visa
-General Skilled Migration Visa
-Temporary skilled work visa (especially subclass 457)
-Business Visa
-Spouse Visa

As for is it worth moving to Australia, if you are moving from Germany you still have to deal with the problems of feminism, western culture, etc Also the cost of living will likely be a little bit higher (depending also on where you lived in Germany and where you will live in Australia). In terms of advantages what you get is better weather, better beaches and scenery/nature. In terms of wages I guess it depends on the job but from what I have heard and what I imagine for most jobs wages are somewhat similar in Australia and Germany. Only you can decide if its worth moving to Australia. To be honest it sounds like a huge effort.

 

[malakaix]

I've never been to Australia. What I found very interesting was Aussie guys were hanging out in L.A and they were saying it was cheap. (price of liquor, cigarette, food, bar taps, cars, clothes etc) They must have a strong economy somehow even though I haven't seen any made in Australia products (Uggs maybe?)

It might be cheaper.

There's huge taxes on alcohol and tobacco here. A pack of Marlboro cigarettes is around $26 AUD ($20 USD). With alcohol.. your paying between $14-20 AUD for a six-pack of beer ($10-15 USD) and for 24x carton it's around $40-50 AUD ($30-37 USD)

A pint of beer at the pub averages $8-10 AUD ($6-7.50 USD)

 

[bulldog]

Between those two in 2017 AU is still better option then Germany. Go for it. I lived in both for a short period of time, some of friends moved this way. AU has a better immigration policy, I would rate them as one of the better ones in Western World, so this what's is really important in this refugee crisis.

 

[Off The Reservation]

The OP has been back recently but his girlfriend only allows him to look at the threads and not to post any more. He is happy for this amount of leeway.