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budoslavic

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@pnjaban thread continue...
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2/ Absent a BONA FIDE medical or religious exemption, employers don't have to accommodate your preference, and even then, they have ways around a valid exemption and can also shame you with special tags and masks and such, encouraging co-workers to peck you to career death./
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3/ Employers WANT this to be mandatory because it takes the burden off them to accommodate the individual healthcare choices of their workers! They don't care about your fertility concerns, or your natural immunity from having recovered, or your desire not to be a guinea pig./
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4/ What choices do you have? Gov. Kristi Noem suggested find another job. Yeah, right. Good luck with that. Governors could make vaccination status a protected category for employment purposes, but they won't. Why? Because they dare not upset the Chamber of Commerce./
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5/ Unions could provide relief with objections, like the postal worker's union, but in real life those objections are mainly used to get leverage for other concessions./
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6/ You could file a lawsuit, but see above. With all the agency alphabets ranged against you and no case law on your side, you will lose. Don't expect relief from the Federalist Society judicial cavalry. They were usually biglaw partners before representing -- big corporations./
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7/ I wish with all my heart I could give some hope or comfort to people terrified about taking an experimental drug, or losing their job, and being barred from unemployment benefits because fired "for cause." I hate to say I can't help you, but right now there are few options.
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8/ People calling my office get irate at my staff for not being able to help them. I understand why people are upset. It's time for Americans and particularly conservatives to wake up to the fact that corporation-worship has brought us to this point where government works with/
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9/ Big tech and big pharma and big banks and big corporations to override your individual liberties, crush you into submission, & leave you without recourse. Consider this set of facts very carefully the next time you vote. Because otherwise your choices will continue to narrow.
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At the nearby state university, the declaration of vaccine mandates for students was dependent on FDA approval.

Now that school is starting with no approval, I've heard they will not be enforcing the mandates at this time.

Religious/medical exemptions were being honored anyway even if FDA approved.

My point is, do not give in to threats because their implementation is not likely to go very smoothly and new opportunities for escape will appear
 
I understand why people are upset. It's time for Americans and particularly conservatives to wake up to the fact that corporation-worship has brought us to this point where government works with/
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Yes, this. We have bought this on ourselves. Any 'conservative' that reflexively says 'its a private company they can do what they want' is a traitor or a fool.


2/ Absent a BONA FIDE medical or religious exemption, employers don't have to accommodate your preference, and even then, they have ways around a valid exemption and can also shame you with special tags and masks and such, encouraging co-workers to peck you to career death./
I hate to sound pessimistic, but I am going to guess we're going to see a globalhomo executive order or globalhomo ruling that overrides these, or they will just ignore it and fire people and bury it in the news. (((some groups))) might be able to get away with it, like they get away with much else, but my guess is so many people will be using this globalhomo will crush it.
 

budoslavic

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The Pentagon on Tuesday released guidelines for how service members could request a religious exemption in lieu of getting the coronavirus vaccine.

By mid-September, all active-duty forces in the military will be required to get shots in their arms to counter the coronavirus as cases continue to once again increase nationwide.

"There is a religious exemption possibility for any mandatory vaccine, and there's a process that we go through to counsel the individual both from a medical and from a command perspective about using a religious exemption," Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said Tuesday.

Kirby said military service members who wish to seek an exemption will be required to be counseled by a medical professional and a commander over the risks posed by not receiving the vaccine.

In addition, they will discuss how the decision could affect their deployability, travel, or even assignments – though the request processes will differ in each branch.

"We take freedom of religion and worship seriously, in the military, it's one of the things that we sign up to defend," Kirby said. "And so it's something that's done very carefully."

Exemptions for pre-existing medical conditions will be permitted as well, though those will be identified by a medical professional.

Kirby also said that any service member who is hesitant to receive the vaccine will receive counseling on its safety and effectiveness.

"We have every expectation that once the vaccines are made mandatory, the troops are going to….do the right thing," he said. "Going forward with this particular vaccine, the secretary's expectation is that commanders are going to treat the administration of that vaccine with – as he wrote in his memo – professionalism, skill, and compassion."

Kirby’s comments come just one day after Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin formally announced all service members who are not already vaccinated will be required to receive either the Pfizer, Moderna, or Johnson & Johnson vaccine by Sept. 15.

Austin said the mandatory vaccinations could be enforced sooner if the Food and Drug Administration approved one of the vaccines prior to mid-September.

More than 74 percent of Navy service members have received the vaccine. But other branches have lagged behind.

The Air Force has reported a 65 percent vaccination rate, while the Army has reported 50 percent of its service members have received at least one shot in the arm.
 
I'm getting reports from Christians that they are successfully using religious exemptions. Pursue this angle fully.
Letter from Robert Barnes that Christians can use:

"Each of the Covid vaccines currently available include forms of testing and development with fetal cell lines, which originated from aborted fetuses. For example, each of the currently available Covid vaccines derived from protein testing using the abortion-derived cell line HEK-293. Partaking in a vaccine made from aborted fetuses makes me complicit in an action that offends my religious faith. As such, I cannot, in good conscience and in accord with my religious faith, take any such Covid vaccine at this time. Please provide a reasonable accommodation to my belief, as I wish to continue to be a good employee, helpful to the team.

Employee of the Year,

Thomas Paine"
 

budoslavic

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Los Angeles archdiocese won't provide religious exemption from Covid vaccines​

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles has said it is not providing religious exemption letters to individuals who object to receiving a vaccination against the coronavirus.

In a terse statement, the archdiocese said it “recommends that all members of the Catholic community who can receive a COVID-19 vaccine should do so. The Archdiocese is not providing individuals with religious exemption letters to avoid vaccination against COVID-19. Please see the information and links below to understand why the Archdiocese does not consider the COVID-19 vaccine to be morally objectionable and why it encourages all the faithful to get vaccinated.”

The statement to archdiocesan priests, obtained by CNA, included a two sentence quote from a document of the US bishops’ conference, and provided links to three documents that “might be helpful in understanding the morality of receiving the vaccine:” the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s December 2020 note; a March 2021 USCCB document; and a statement from the California Catholic Conference.

In its December 2020 note to which the Los Angeles archdiocese pointed, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith stated that although vaccines with a remote connection to abortion are “morally acceptable,” it also stated that “vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation” and “therefore, it must be voluntary.”

The congregation acknowledged “reasons of conscience” for those refusing a vaccine, while at the same time noting: “In the absence of other means to stop or even prevent the epidemic, the common good may recommend vaccination, especially to protect the weakest and most exposed.”

Those refusing COVID-19 vaccines “for reasons of conscience” must take appropriate precautions to avoid transmitting the virus, the congregation said.

US bishops have issued varied statements on whether there is an obligation to be vaccinated against the coronavirus.

The bishops in Colorado in an Aug. 6 letter emphasized the need to respect those with conscientious objections to the COVID-19 vaccines and have provided a template letter for any Catholics with objections to mandatory vaccination. The bishops of Denver, Colorado Springs, and Pueblo also welcomed the City of Denver’s vaccination mandate for including a religious exemption.

“In the case of the COVID-19 vaccine, we are convicted that the government should not impose medical interventions on an individual or group of persons. We urge respect for each person’s convictions and personal choices,” the Colorado Catholic Conference said.

The conference noted its previous affirmation that the use of some COVID-19 vaccines is “morally acceptable under certain circumstances,” while adding that “we understand that some individuals have well-founded convictions that lead them to discern they should not get vaccinated.”

“We always remain vigilant when any bureaucracy seeks to impose uniform and sweeping requirements on a group of people in areas of personal conscience,” said the bishops, adding, “human rights violations and a loss of respect for each person’s God-given dignity often begin with government mandates that fail to respect the freedom of conscience.”

The Colorado Catholic Conference on its website provided a template letter for pastors for Catholics who are seeking a religious exemption.

Similarly, the bishops of South Dakota said this week that Catholics whose well-formed consciences tell them not to receive a vaccine should be free to seek a religious exemption from any vaccine mandate.

“[A] Catholic may, after consideration of relevant information and moral principles, discern it to be right or wrong to receive one of the available Covid-19 vaccines,” Bishops Donald DeGrood of Sioux Falls and Peter Muhich of Rapid City said in a statement Aug. 10.

“If he or she thus comes to the sure conviction in conscience that they should not receive it, we believe this is a sincere religious belief, as they are bound before God to follow their conscience. We support any Catholic who has come to this conviction in seeking religious exemption from any Covid-19 requirement.”

In December 2020, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City in Kansas told EWTN's Pro-Life Weekly that regarding whether to receive the Covid vaccine, "I think, like in everything, we need to pray. We need to ask the Holy Spirit to give us wisdom and to make the right choice, the moral choice for us. And we have to weigh these goods: the good of protecting our health, the health of our loved ones, the health of the community."

"And also at the same time, stand strongly to protect innocent human life and to bring an end to the culture of death and to abortion," he said.

Archbishop Naumann said that while there is a "moral justification" to receiving the vaccine, "not everyone has to make that decision." He said the available Covid vaccines are "licit and permissible," though not obligatory.

The Archdiocese of New York on July 30 instructed priests not to grant religious exemptions for COVID-19 vaccines, saying that doing so would contradict the pope.

By issuing a religious exemption to the vaccine, the archdiocese said, a priest would be “acting in contradiction to the directives of the Pope and is participating in an act that could have serious consequences to others. Imagine a student receiving a religious exemption, contracting the virus and spreading it throughout the campus. Clearly this would be an embarrassment to the archdiocese.”

In California, the bishops of both San Diego and Monterey have said their local Churches will not sign religious exemption letters from coronavirus vaccine mandates.

Bishop McElroy of San Diego wrote that an exemption letter asks a pastor “not to endorse what the Church does teach on the question, but rather what individuals might discern as their chosen pathway, even when their pathway is built upon a rejection of the Church’s objective teaching on the morality of the Covid vaccines.”
 

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Yes, to this point hasn't it only been schools that have been allowed to somewhat cross the line of medical privacy/history invasion, and that's because they are public goods in a sense? And even then they probably still had to carve out some reasonable accommodation ...

One of these cases should be easy to win, which shows us just how much of a joke and Banana Republic the USA is, and/or its judicial system according to its stated laws, at least.
 
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