Life is easy - as long as you don't chase the pussy

[Onto]

My parents were hippies. I was born in the Fall, and soon after they bought 5 acres of land in the middle of Nowhere, Pennsylvania. We moved there in January in the dead of winter and lived in a tent. My Father told me how my face would turn blue at night and they would keep me sandwiched between them to keep me warm.

In the spring they bought an old school bus, gutted it out, ran electric and propane so we had decent shelter. Then it was a trailer, then two trailers they connected to each other.

They got divorced when I was about 3 and my Mom married a nice guy who owned part of a commune so we lived on that for a while. As a kid, it was fun because of the other kids there and it seemed we had a lot of freedom to go out and play on the land.

The people were into the communal spirit, etc, but even with all that I remember the jealousy, fighting, and all the dark stuff that lies beneath the surface of human beings whether they are living in a small village or an exclusive co-op on Park Ave.

Eventually they left the commune for the "small" city life and entered into society doing normal type jobs. Why did they leave the commune? My guess is they didn't see it as the answer anymore. Living there probably brought about new types of negativity and leaving it for a regular life seemed like the answer.

They did keep in contact with all their hippie-friends of course and I have to say, from what I've seen, those free-loving hippies were no better, no happier, no more fulfilled than anyone else I've ever met.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Whether you flee to a big city, or the country, one can't escape the questions that chase every man.

Who am I?
Who are the others?
What is my relation to them? What is their relation to me?
What is my purpose?
What is the meaning of it all?
Why am I not happy?
What do I need to be happy?

How can I be the One?
How can I have Being?
How can I feel like a Real person?
How can I be Free?

Every person's life and everything they do is an unconscious effort to answer these types of questions. And every answer we try brings about some new type of suffering or negativity, which then brings us back to the question.

It can be downright maddening at times to see it all unfold in your life. How there is really no escape from the questions, that life is a Mission Impossible and no matter what you do the negative and suffering is right around the corner waiting for you with a big smile. You get a real sense of what Hamlet must've felt like when he contemplated, "To be of not to be?", realizing there is no escape.

However, in the video we heard Pu-Pun talk about how he in fact did escape from Alcatraz and the law never caught up with him again. Well, that makes for a great story that certainly appeals to every modern-western worker. In other words, it sells.

Well, good for him, but how are those pesky questions doing?

He doesn't talk about those. I'm not sure if he's even aware they were the driving force for both him going to the city and then leaving it. The effort to have being. To feel free and like a real person.

What's the current status? No new negatives? Life is now easy-peasy and he's finally happy now and forever?

Hmmmm....I don't buy it. Like when a guy tells me he's found the perfect girl and they are going to get married and live happily ever after. Well, let's check back in 5 years and see how that's going.

Another thing that irks me and maybe others here as well, are that these types of stories made for western viewers are really promoting the feminine view as the answer (communal/communism/socialism/welfare/given) against the masculine one (individual/capitalism/earned). Aside from TED making money, that's the agenda.

I do agree possessions, or rather, our attachment to them bring about suffering. Every time I move I have to suffer the packing and cost of moving them. Getting rid of it all will certainly free me of that specific negativity, but it won't free me of the question that drove me to acquire them to begin with. Unless I have some insight into what that is, the question remains and I will just find a new, temporal answer.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

After watching this prick for a minute, I had a desire to punch him in the face.

Then he'll find out how easy and rational life is.

He's just a little to smug, too happy, to content, too sickly saccharine. Such people irritate me. They see life as a Hallmark card, rather than the kaleidescope of passion that it truly is.

The upward progress of man, and the great achievements of history, have been marked by passion, blood, rage, love, hatred, violence, conquest, and the ecstasy of zeal.

Give me powerful, honest emotions! Give me intensity in its sincerest form, though it be at times violent and destructive!

Because sometimes we have to smash the old things, to make room for the new ones. Even ourselves.

And this was what I meant. We are dealing with moral truths here. No man of any consequence wants, or seeks, an "easy life."

Slash with your knives, jab with your bayonets, and keep the lead flying down range.

This is most of life. This is the moral truth, the quintessence of the glorious struggle that we were born for.


P.S.: I'm still your dog of war, AB...:whip:

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[deathtofatties]

After watching this prick for a minute, I had a desire to punch him in the face.

Then he'll find out how easy and rational life is.

He's just a little to smug, too happy, to content, too sickly saccharine. Such people irritate me. They see life as a Hallmark card, rather than the kaleidescope of passion that it truly is.

The upward progress of man, and the great achievements of history, have been marked by passion, blood, rage, love, hatred, violence, conquest, and the ecstasy of zeal.

Give me powerful, honest emotions! Give me intensity in its sincerest form, though it be at times violent and destructive!

Because sometimes we have to smash the old things, to make room for the new ones. Even ourselves.

And this was what I meant. We are dealing with moral truths here.

I agree with that Thai guy, but I also agree with QC.

otd:

 

[AnonymousBosch]

I didn't say the video itself was truth revealed or that I agreed with everything he says or everything about his lifestyle. I said there was some true wisdom in it. Mainly in the simplicity of what it takes to be happy and how we often go so far away from what we really want in a misguided attempt to achieve it.

That's all well and good, but he's just repeating a dumbed-down version of western psychological concepts of how dysfunctional behavioural patterns lead to the feared, not desired, outcome. Concepts that have been formalised and refined for a good 120 years or more, but already existed as folk wisdom across multiple cultures for thousands of years before it.

Even the 'it doesn't take much to be happy' mantra is in Eastern philosophy:

"Without going out the door, know the world
Without peering out the window, see the Heavenly Tao
The further one goes
The less one knows"

Yiddish Folklore:

A man complains about his small house being full of children and desires to move to a much bigger home, and the Rabbi tells him to take all his farm animals into the house, then each day he's allowed to remove one of them. Once the animals have all been removed: "Thank you Rabbi! Now they're all gone, I've never known such peace!"

Christian and European folklore all have tales like this.

Even Western Pop Culture:

"...it's that if I ever go looking for my heart's desire again, I won't look any further than my own backyard; because if it isn't there, I never really lost it to begin with."

However, my own feelings don't match folk wisdom. I have observed that the most immature, dysfunctional and stagnant minds are those belonging to people who are the most comfortable. This idleness is where truly poisonous, toxic ideas in society spring from. A desire to hang onto one's own comfort is why so many people are too terrified to speak out against toxic ideas.

Whilst I understand State Control, and to some degree I know I can choose to be happy, I readily embrace challenge and adversity, because it tests my masculinity, and successfully overcoming them deepens me as a man. When I'm pushed beyond my comfort zone, I'm utterly-alive: my mind and body is on fire. I'm at risk of my house being burned to the ground completely, and even if it is, and I think all is lost, I find I clear the rubble and discover the foundation is stronger than I thought, and can easily rebuild my house bigger and better.

It can be a physical challenge: how heavy a weight can I lift? If I spar with this bigger guy, will I stand tall, or will I fall? If I go on this endurance ride, will I measure up? It can be a mental challenge: is there a pattern here that I can predict outcomes to give myself an advantage? This song needs a string arrangement: can I write a valid one with no formal training? I'm offered an acting role: can I convincingly become another character?

If something is easy, it holds little interest for me. Hell, what's easier than being dead? Why do you exist? Sitting on the couch, bingewatching show after show on Netflix is easy. Why possess a mind? Why possess a body?

TL; DR version: When does championing comfort become simply mentally-justifying a deep-seated fear of the challenge of the unknown that may reveal deeper knowledge of oneself?

I could ask: If the speaker is so goddamn happy with what he has, why is he giving this Ted talk, stumping for financial investment? :eyeroll:

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the life expectancy curve for Thailand. I knew that it would be generally increasing, of course, but the extent and consistency of the actual increase exceeded my expectations:

In other words, a mere 50 years ago the average Thai lived to be about 55; and now he or she lives to be about 75, and there is no obvious slowing down; you can see that in a decade Thai life expectancy will basically equal that of a developed Western country.

So when this supposed organic farming sage goes to a sleazy SWPL-sponsored "TED talk" and slanders the very idea of learning and progress before foolish and comfortable white folk (he says that all engineering schools teach is "how to destroy" and all agriculture schools teach is "how to poison"), it's not a bad idea to look at a curve like that and contemplate the full extent of the stupidity and ingratitude involved. Amid all this endless "destruction" and nefarious "poisoning" his countrymen are somehow living far longer and (necessarily) far healthier and therefore far happier lives than ever before. I guess the destroyers and poisoners are really failing quite miserably at their task.

Again. Generations and generations of men have slaved -- that word is no exaggeration -- to make the wondrous devices that allow this would-be wise man travel thousands of miles in great ease and comfort, to have access to a technology that allows him to spread his ideas far and wide, and to do this in the knowledge that skillful and well-equipped physicians will attend to his health if needed, and that nutritious and delicious food grown through the miracle of modern agriculture will be always available to him wherever he goes. These same devices have enabled his countrymen to come out of their backward and dirt-poor villages and enjoy a life that (whatever its difficulties) is demonstrably longer, healthier, and better protected than any they had ever known.

Given all these indisputable realities, it is notable that what passes for "wisdom" to the foolish and thoughtless SWPL who attend such a talk is the ingrate whining of a man who looks askance at the wondrous gifts that he and his society have been given because "life was more fun when he was a child before TV came". When a grown man can argue with a straight face that the irresponsibility and thoughtlessness of childhood are a standard by which all life, which is truly a struggle, is to be judged -- then such a man is a fool at best, and a sleazy confidence man at worst, most likely some unsavory mixture of both.

Finally, I'd like to address this:

Some of the posts here even from vets just reek of an obvious lack of real perspective. You definitely need to be around other cultures and people to have that which most westerners lack.

Cobra, I don't know what this unique "perspective" is that most westerners supposedly lack. But I do know that if I were an educated Thai, or belonged to some other country that had been given such an enormous bounty through the labors of another civilization, my main perspective would be one of loving gratitude and admiration for those labors; and if I were to travel to a western country with a message, that message would start with a simple "thank you"; and it might involve a warning for westerners to appreciate what they have, and not to squander their great inheritance of enlightenment and progress.

A writer you might be interested in reading, Cobra, is a fellow Indian (by provenance), V.S. Naipaul -- an excellent writer and a clear thinker who was throughout his life exercised by these very ideas. He traveled widely around the world and he always marveled at the simple and intractable ingratitude of so many people who take the achievements and the material gains of western civilization utterly for granted, use and enjoy them at all times, and then whine about the least difficulty while refusing to do the hard work of building a functioning society. He wrote very perceptively about Islamic countries and their failings, and particularly about India -- indeed, he noted that the Indian educated classes were increasingly able to transcend their limitations and that that country was embarking on a good and fruitful path. And he was always obsessed with the ease with which things -- particularly in Africa where he spent a great deal of time -- can "go back to bush", how rapidly laziness, ingratitude, and neglect can lead reversals of civilization in places where it had just begun on to take hold. I think you might find Naipaul's perspective on these matters highly instructive.

 

[El Chinito loco]

Yes, the reality this guy talks about is real.

If you drive up to the simplest of Thai villages, their lifestyle is not that bad at all. I've been in the midst of it plenty of times with them, eaten at their tables and building real friendships, and they are probably happier than people I know back in fast-paced California by a long stretch.

A large part of what this guy is saying is also a rehash of the King of Thailand's philosophy on "self sufficiency of the thai people" which on its face appears to be a sensible piece of advice given the limited resources of the Thai government. I'm sure you've heard of it before but the King of Thailand's self sufficiency speech was all about rural Thais learning skills and making use of the land in a renewable way to live. Thais put the idea of ascetic living on a pedestal but very very few will ever do this. The real way urban Thai's live is the anti-thesis of buddhist beliefs..it's all about buying, spending lavishly, and showing off bullshit.

This guy is also pointing this out and saying that Thais in Bangkok have swung too hard in the direction of soulless consumerism and materialism. If someone has lived in Bangkok before you can see what he says actually makes some sense.

However, there's also a darker undercurrent to all this and it's deep class divisions. Basically if you read between the lines the elite in Bangkok would also prefer if rural people just make do with what they have and not urbanize too much and get involved in politics. The King of Thailand's words are also very ambiguous as well. On one hand it seems like he's advocating for a better life for the rural population but like I said if you read between the lines you can also see an entirely different agenda being pushed too.

This is why politics in Thai always blows up into this big mess every few years and why there's huge political rifts between the countryside and the city.

The thing about life expectacy statistics is that it doesn't really factor in quality of life at old age either. People may live longer but how much of that is being stuck on a death bed in a hospital in bangkok somewhere with a slow drip IV of medicine being fed into you. At a certain age if i'm invalid like that i'd much prefer death rather than being kept alive like some kind of science project.

In the developing world what kills people is usually fast disease and illness like heart disease, strokes, and flus. The reason why people live longer in the developed world is that preventitive measures that reduce death from sudden illness due to widely available vaccines, sanitation, and antibioitics makes it less likely.

All in all renewable country living is a nice thought and i've also spent some time out there in rural Thailand. I do agree with Beyond Borders that people on average are happier in rural parts but there are a lot of other issues out there too like rampant alcoholism in the rural areas. The people out there in the rural areas do eat pretty well too if they are reasonably productive. Fresh rice, free range chickens/ducks, hand fed fresh fish from reservoirs, frogs, pigs, etc.. it's good stuff out there. The vegetables out there aren't laced with pesticides either.

 

[Beyond Borders]

After watching this prick for a minute, I had a desire to punch him in the face.

Then he'll find out how easy and rational life is.

He's just a little to smug, too happy, to content, too sickly saccharine. Such people irritate me. They see life as a Hallmark card, rather than the kaleidescope of passion that it truly is.

The upward progress of man, and the great achievements of history, have been marked by passion, blood, rage, love, hatred, violence, conquest, and the ecstasy of zeal.

Give me powerful, honest emotions! Give me intensity in its sincerest form, though it be at times violent and destructive!

Because sometimes we have to smash the old things, to make room for the new ones. Even ourselves.

And this was what I meant. We are dealing with moral truths here. No man of any consequence wants, or seeks, an "easy life."

Slash with your knives, jab with your bayonets, and keep the lead flying down range.

This is most of life. This is the moral truth, the quintessence of the glorious struggle that we were born for.


P.S.: I'm still your dog of war, AB...:whip:

All well written, but when's the last time you punched someone in the face for something they said or did? You were in the military and you clearly keep yourself in shape, so maybe you do know violence intimately. That wouldn't surprise me. But I don't percieve that you're a man prepared to haul back and just sock someone because they rub you wrong. You obviously live a life of far more civilized conduct than that.

So your post came across as a bit of huffing and puffing and posturing, which is why I gave it the response I did.

As for me, I lost track of all the people I've punched a long time ago, but I would never make a remark like that about some poor, humble, soft-spoken Thai guy who just wants to live in peace and make the world a better place based on what he sees that meaning. I mean, come on now....

A strong and sure man shouldn't need to bully and goad the voluntarily meek just to make himself look and feel strong. In fact, I am just the opposite of you. If I was in a room and someone tried to go at this guy for his ideas or lifestyle, they would have to come through me first. And I would (and have) put myself between them even if the guy charging him was bigger and tougher than me, so no need to take that as a direct challenge of you or your capabilities.

My point is that you, Sir, are being the bully. And some of you guys could use a few shots of humility - regardless of your battle cries, being humble IS a courageous and worthy ideal for a man and many of us in the manosphere perhaps ought to reflect on it from time to time.

Human progress and the stability of a civilization also depend on our ability to temper our passions and polish the edges of our technologies and lifestyle as we go. You can liken the balance that this creates to the difference between the undisciplined, hot-tempered boxer who swings himself out and the disciplined veteran who takes the match with controlled, measured, highly-effective aggression.

I see what this guy is doing as making what we already have more efficient. We need people like him to clean up the messes, constantly remind us to try and do things cleaner and with more order and compassion, and remind us to use what we've built already. Because progress requires refining as much as it requires charging forward, and we need people to keep the wheels of the system turning as much as we need swinging dicks breaking shit and blasting new paths into the wilderness.

Hell, I've seen your pics on your blog. You too seem to be a man who appreciates clean, peaceful, and orderly places - and you no doubt spend your hard-earned money to have other people provide them for you. Something men like this don't have such easy access to.

This guy is showing others that there are more direct routes to creating those peaceful, comfortable spaces. That it's in fact simple to create them based on what most already have in our possession (if we're willing to do some work) rather than the inefficient, indirect route of running away to the city to get an office job so we can save money and buy it instead. Thus, freeing up our time and mental energies to perhaps do other things (other things, I might add, that can also be very constructive for society).

So you can rant about the beauty of living a hard, complicated life all you want, but your reality shows that men do and always have appreciated environments of peace and order and comfort as well, and indeed, much of our struggle exists in our pursuit of them.

But I also think you guys are taking his "make life easy" testament too literally. This could just be that it doesn't translate well, as I mentioned before. He's just using the context to make a point that we don't necessarily have to make things as difficult as we make them.

In any case, there's nothing particularly "easy" in the sense you are talking about in building a house with your own hands. He's clearly producing. He didn't stop at one house but has built many, and he's now sharing his ideas (as you do) to people around the world and teaching his fellow countrymen how they can do the same.

If he was some deadbeat middle class American kid leeching off his parents or the system or somehow hurting others in his quest, I could understand your hostility towards him, but as it stands, you come across like a bareknuckled bully elbowing his way through a crowd of peaceful people who didn't come for a fight...and insisting everyone think and act the same as you.

And how consistent is that, even, with your true personality and everyday behavior?

I haven't met you, so it's at least possible that I'm wrong, but I'd wager that's not the type of man you are at all, and that's good. So perhaps a bit of caution in the attitude you encourage in others is in order...

 

[Beyond Borders]

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the life expectancy curve for Thailand. I knew that it would be generally increasing, of course, but the extent and consistency of the actual increase exceeded my expectations:

In other words, a mere 50 years ago the average Thai lived to be about 55; and now he or she lives to be about 75, and there is no obvious slowing down; you can see that in a decade Thai life expectancy will basically equal that of a developed Western country.

So when this supposed organic farming sage goes to a sleazy SWPL-sponsored "TED talk" and slanders the very idea of learning and progress before foolish and comfortable white folk (he says that all engineering schools teach is "how to destroy" and all agriculture schools teach is "how to poison"), it's not a bad idea to look at a curve like that and contemplate the full extent of the stupidity and ingratitude involved. Amid all this endless "destruction" and nefarious "poisoning" his countrymen are somehow living far longer and (necessarily) far healthier and therefore far happier lives than ever before. I guess the destroyers and poisoners are really failing quite miserably at their task.

Again. Generations and generations of men have slaved -- that word is no exaggeration -- to make the wondrous devices that allow this would-be wise man travel thousands of miles in great ease and comfort, to have access to a technology that allows him to spread his ideas far and wide, and to do this in the knowledge that skillful and well-equipped physicians will attend to his health if needed, and that nutritious and delicious food grown through the miracle of modern agriculture will be always available to him wherever he goes. These same devices have enabled his countrymen to come out of their backward and dirt-poor villages and enjoy a life that (whatever its difficulties) is demonstrably longer, healthier, and better protected than any they had ever known.

Given all these indisputable realities, it is notable that what passes for "wisdom" to the foolish and thoughtless SWPL who attend such a talk is the ingrate whining of a man who looks askance at the wondrous gifts that he and his society have been given because "life was more fun when he was a child before TV came". When a grown man can argue with a straight face that the irresponsibility and thoughtlessness of childhood are a standard by which all life, which is truly a struggle, is to be judged -- then such a man is a fool at best, and a sleazy confidence man at worst, most likely some unsavory mixture of both.

I agree with much of what you say, as before; however, I think it's unfortunate that you can't see that both approaches can work with each other and that they refine each other. That, too, is part of progress.

And there can, and is in some places (in part thanks to people like this) places where the balanced middle thrives.

I also think it's unfortunate you feel such hostility and pessimism about people who don't think the same as you or who don't have as broad of a perspective. Life is complicated and people are rarely so black and white as you try to define them. Speaking of the thoughtlessness of childhood is a metaphor men of all creeds have used throughout the ages; you can't demonize a man on that metaphor alone.

And I understand your furstration with people who don't appreciate what technology and hard focused work has given us, but are you so cynical as to think that you can't learn from people who even see less than you? Or that others who know less than you can't?

I often learn from your posts, but sometimes I think you try to hard to find the "right answers" in life and insist on someone always being right in every way.

 

[AnonymousBosch]

that about some poor, humble, soft-spoken Thai guy who just wants to live in peace and make the world a better place

I'm sorry, but you're very naïve.

Everyone has an agenda, King or Peasant. It's telling he's targeting TedX, seeking charity from Tech Events where, as I said, tickets run $6000 a pop. This guy is building a Brand - he's trumpeted by the Natural Homes collective - and you're falling for the sales pitch.

This is 18th Century Self-Sustaining Utopian Collectivism given a post-millennial, globalisation-friendly progressive rebranding. This, naturally, appeals to the psychopathic Silicon Valley Corporations, as it allows them to spin their public image into an Ethical Company, (due to the subversive influence of Big Tech by Mental Environmentalists).

His very pitch is classic Mental Environmentalism – a strain of Anti-Authoritarian Marxism where Advanced Capitalism is perceived as the root of all evil – where Authentic Consciousness only can be achieved by refusing to partake in the consumer process, including media and branding. See also: his distaste for educational institutions that further Advanced Capitalism.

I simply don’t trust him, as I don’t trust anyone who wants to suggest theories of how to make the world ‘a better place’. As such, his ‘happiness’ is likely to be fleeting, should a Mushroom Haired woman decide to march a wave of strangers over his hill to share his land and bounty, due to her belief it makes the world ‘a better place’.

Still, I figured, by giving this talk, he's now on the radar of Rich, White Millennials who are socially-concerned. If he's 'happy' then why does he want to be there?

Curious, I researched further.

The wife of this 'poor, humble farmer':

Peggy and Jo live here with Thaan for 9 months of the year. The other three they spend in Colorado with Peggy's family.

Why would he leave Pun Pun? After all, it's not like he wants or needs anything. Why doesn't his white wife do talks, or is it so they can play on Liberal's White Guilt and Globalisation Dreams.

Now I'm really suspicious.

He's soft-spoken and polite, and but at the end of the day, Mental Environmentalism is still fucking Marxism. Quick research revealed it's the hypocritical, brand focused kind with purchasable t-shirts, Restaurants, and Organically-Branded Products. This isn't uncommon - see the branding of Adbusters, an anti-advertising magazine.

More research, suspicion confirmed. Look at the deliberate consumerist branding style of the photos in this article. This is classic lifestyle-aspiration porn for Leftist Millennials.

Fostering Virtue At Pun Pun Farm

Why would he do sell Lifestyle Porn?

Here at Pun Pun they organize internships in sustainable living projects for the international Western community

This is making sense. Looks like the experience of Pun Pun is popular with a certain type of individual. Note how their selfies are selling their desired Narcissistic Constructs to their FB / Instagram followers, and how particularly inauthentic the female pictures are:

This is now so fucking obvious to me I barely need to research further, but do.

Here's your 'poor, humble, soft-spoken' Thai Farmer, offering 3 week Internships for Rich American Leftists....

Fee: $1,200 US/person. All proceeds go towards supporting Pun Pun community to grow and continue with our seed center and outreach work.

...raking in $36,000 US per course...

2) Once you have sent your participant survey and have been confirmed, a $500 US non-refundable deposit is due to secure your spot. Please understand we cannot hold your spot until we receive your deposit. We ask you transfer this to our account. The remaining fee will be due on the first day of the course in cash in either Thai baht or US dollars.

This, as an INTJ personality - as is QC - is exactly what I expected. We recognised inauthenticity and manipulation and immediately raised our guard to protect our tribe. Note QC's words:

He's just a little to smug, too happy, to content, too sickly saccharine

You're being played, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. Since I loathe inauthentic people trying to put one over on me, I have to resist the urge to punch him in the face myself. If that makes me a bad person, well, it's preferable to being a gullible one.

 

[Beyond Borders]

that about some poor, humble, soft-spoken Thai guy who just wants to live in peace and make the world a better place

I'm sorry, but you're very naïve.

I'm sorry but about that you're wrong.

In any case, I still assert that all this talk of punching some old man in the face that isn't hurting anyone is a bunch of ridiculous internet bravado. Let's see your guys' YouTube videos punching people in the face who disagree with you. I assure you that I am not, even if you think my statement was.

I didn't honestly feel the need to go do a bunch of research to check this guy out, and falling for a sales pitch requires buying, which I am not doing. I do know the type of people you're

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

LOL AB, thanks for digging up that info. I thought the guy was a hustler the moment I heard him open his mouth, but it's always satisfying to see an essence realized so fully and luxuriously.

Nah, this Thai dude is just a smart lazy hustler, for which I give him full credit.

His "wisdom" consists of the fact that he figured out that working hard can be very tedious, and studying and trying to master a field of knowledge is even more so. Some people who come into possession of this wisdom become criminals, but those who have a scammer's talent and a distaste for violence realize that they can have a relatively easy life by hustling people out of their money in more peaceful ways. What better way to do it than by founding an "organic farm" based on "holistic principles" and being feted by goofy and/or nihilistic SWPL folk whose hatred for the world as it is leads them to worship an imagined farmer sage and his Oriental "wisdom".

Now I'm just wondering about two things:

Is his wife secretly more fuckable than meets the eye? It might not seem like much but something about this picture makes me wonder. It all hinges on whether she has an ASS.

Why is this dude standing in a hole instead of making my espresso?

 

[Onto]

I suspect for Pun-Pun as long as she's white and has a house in Colorado, that's all that matters.

He now has an abudence of houses, clothes, white pussy and money. And some fame to boot. Isn't that every Thai man's dream?

Instead of punching the guy in the face, we should give him a round of applause for finding a way to profit of the zeitgeist.

Sustainability, Organic, Free range, cage-free, fair-trade, white/western privilege. All marketing terms of the feminine. Pun-Pun is right. Lot of easy money to be made

 

[HankMoody]

I was just having this discussion with someone...

Greatest hits of (I've written about this before) - I was married but sort of unhappy. After the divorce, I met a gal and got an epic case of oneitis. When that fell apart (mostly because I was a total blue bill beta), I studied the shit out of game and got decent at it, trying to find validation (and revenge, sort of) through fucking a lot of women. This lead to a realization that my entire life revolved around women, one way or another, for too long. Why?

Now it's 2015. I'm self employed and have money in the bank. I don't chase women, but I find a lot of them trying to prod the "are we going to be in a real relationship? Don't you ever want to get married and have kids?"

Honestly, I find that the answer is no. Women are readily available, easily replaceable, and none of them are special. Once you're getting sex regularly, they're a distraction from important stuff - going to the gym, building a business, reading, writing, etc. It becomes a constant nag of "Can we go out to dinner tonight?" "Can I come over and see you?" "Can we just watch a movie?" "Can you get off your laptop and pay attention to me?" For the most part they live for entertainment and contribute very little to a relationship except sex. For the most part, women are overgrown children who let their emotions dictate all their actions.

There's this blue pill notion that a sexual relationship with a woman is deeper than relationships with your male peers. Nothing could be further than the truth. My male relationships are much deeper and intellectual. They're also not clouded with childish emotions. ("I saw you at the football game with Bob!!!! You said you'd take me to that game!!! I wanted to see you. Wahhh!!!"). Women are not only unnecessary for companionship, but quite frankly, they're terrible at it. If prostitution were legal, no sane man would ever be in a relationship, let alone get married. Women would be beating down the doors of men.

Learning game is necessary because it gets you laid. However, anyone who thinks they're going to find validation and happiness through women is still living in a blue pill fantasy world.

 

[El Chinito loco]

I don't know about whether he's a fraud or not but..

What the fuck?? I thought Layne Staley was dead.

If he can resurrect dead rock stars surely that must count for something.

 

[birthday cat]

I think some of you are making a lot of assumptions to suggest this guy Jon Jandai is a sleazy hustler. Perhaps Jandai is a fraud but many of the comments in this thread demonstrate a clear lack of understanding that some people don't come from western culture therefore they don’t have the same values and beliefs that western people do.

Many of the comments in this thread come off as “we westerners have it all figured out”. I think there is a lot of irony in this since we are on a forum where we constantly discuss the negative aspects of western culture such as feminism, SJWs, and our contempt for many western women. There are pros and cons to everything. For example, people in western countries may have the highest life expectancy but these countries also have the highest rates of obesity, mental health problems, prescription drug consumption, etc.

Regardless of whatever Jandai’s motives are there is still a lot of wisdom in that video just as Beyond Borders said. I’m surprised more people haven’t said this because one of Jandai’s primary themes is essentially taking the red pill. His entire message is about avoiding social conditioning and thinking for yourself rather than blindly following society.

I don’t think Jandai is suggesting laziness or that people should always stay within their comfort zone. I believe he is suggesting that (1) people should take time to think about what makes them happy and fulfilled rather than blindly following society and (2) people should be able to provide themselves with a few of life's basic necessities (food & water, shelter, clothes, medicine) rather than depending on governments and corporations for these items. Depending on governments and corporations allows those organizations to control us through fear and takes away our freedom.

There are a lot of problems that come from consumerism and the mass consumption of material goods that has been a huge part of western culture since the end of the world wars. Consumerism contributes to environmental problems and causes wars over resources. Consumerism contributes to the psychological problems of people in western culture which are deeply related to many of the topics we discuss on this forum such as game and the issues we have with feminists and SJWs. I think it is unfortunate that Jandai brings a message of anti-consumerism and talks about how we should actually think rather being mindless sheep who follow everyone else in society and do whatever we are told by governments and corporations; however, many commenters in this thread only see a sleazy hustler because he charges $1200 for a 3 week internship. Even if Jandai is a fraud I think many of you are still missing the bigger picture.

 

[Duke Castile]

Don't African outreach programs run a scam like this also?

They let white girls pay to volunteer to build homes or something that they can out on their resume for the low low price of xxxxx (1200usd).

 

[Quintus Curtius]

Well, we're dealing with moral truths here, aren't we?

Or, at least, moral truths as I see them.

One needs to set out such things, and describe them; and if the emotions come from a sincere place, all the better. I want my heart to be a taught, tightly wound cord, which, when touched, resounds clearly for the world to hear.

Son coeur est un luth suspendu; sitot, qu'on le touche il resonne...(De Beranger)

What I say is this: that this Thai man, while perhaps being a very nice man, is like one of those sirens whose song lures and coaxes us to our deaths. He sedates and intoxicates us with his platitudes, with his fooleries, with his sickly-sweet prescription for the good life.

The good life is not to be found in relaxation, endless joy, and tranquility. No.

It is only to be found in the endless quest. The quest alone gives us meaning. We must seek it out, this Blood-Quest, and hunt it down.

Sometimes this is a violent process. Sometimes this is a nasty process. But it is one which all men must go through. There is no other way.

The upward movement of all men has always been marked, not by cloying sweets or voluptuous delicacies, but by struggle, fighting, agony, passion, and love.

Give me this. Don't lull me into a stupor with men like this, who grin at me with their big teeth and lure me to my death, like the Sirens would to Odysseus, among the jagged rocks.

No. No. No. I would sooner die first.

I want to punch, and I want to be punched. This is life. This is the pulse of life.

Listen, if you will, to Orson Welles here, talking about this same idea. A generation of violence and turbulence under the Borgias, but the Renaissance was produced. Five hundred years of peace in Switzerland, and that produced....the cuckoo clock:



And so this is what I mean, and this is what I meant.

We have to get down to the essentials of things. We have to get past the platitudes, past the grinning slogans, past the lectures in comfortable auditoriums where we are put to sleep by grinning charlatans in Buddhist tunics.

I don't want to be sedated, to be "happy," to be another grinning zombie who hectors me as I sit in a cushioned auditorium chair.

I want to feel the salt spray on my face as my ship ploughs through the rolling surge of life. Can you taste the tang?

I want to feel the taste of my own blood in my mouth, as I am hit by a man stronger than I.

I want to feel the satisfaction of hitting a man who deserves to be hit, perhaps.

Because there is a wisdom in this. There is a balance in this. This delicate thread that connects us all. And this, my dear BB, is the Eternal Truth, a truth far deeper than our grinning friend with the Thai accent can yet comprehend.

I call that good. I call that Life itself.

I promise nothing but struggle, hardship, and adventure. But I also promise Life itself. A real life, richly lived.

And more will follow me, than will follow him.


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[Onto]

Don't African outreach programs run a scam like this also?

They let white girls pay to volunteer to build homes or something that they can out on their resume for the low low price of xxxxx (1200usd).

And don't forget about the unlimited amount of selfies they're allowed to take and post of themselves being selfless.

Those kinds of pics with 3rd world children, and building huts are hard to come by.

 

[Duke Castile]

Just like the "look at me enjoying the simple life and the simple things".

Reminds me of when bitches (and chumps) take photos of food or sunsets.

 

[Beyond Borders]

that about some poor, humble, soft-spoken Thai guy who just wants to live in peace and make the world a better place

I'm sorry, but you're very naïve.

Uh, no, far from it, Friend. I haven't made it all these years navigating the back alleys of the places I do by being naive. I juggle grinning con-artists and scammers on a regular basis, and that with a smile on my face because this is in situations where real deal violence (the kind this guy probably saw growing up) could explode in a second and where I wouldn't dare (nor would anyone without a suicide wish) punch a guy who looks like this in the face even if I wanted to.

Because I do live life with my face in the spray, as QC waxes poetically of, almost always alone rather than with any "tribe" and constantly on ready for the consequences. I just often forget to write or even talk about it.

In any case, look, if you want to go spend twenty times more energy on this than me and dig up the guy's info just so you can insult me, be my guest; I still stand behind what I said. Perhaps I laid the adjectives down a little thick in that line you quoted, but the fact still stands that QC's post very clearly barks about punching this old dude in the face for daring to even utter these ideas in the first place - not just because he thought the guy was being false.

Just read his explanatory follow-up piece that came just after, and other than that one ambiguous sentence that you (again) choicely quoted of his, this is extremely clear. So let's not pretend he was saying something he wasn't in your effort to belittle me.

You want to take a piss at me because he's your buddy, fine. I'm not going to sit here all day and argue who this guy is and what exactly he's selling because to be honest, I don't give a shit enough. If I cared enough about that to waste more time on it than I am already now, I would have addressed it with your first attempt to draw me into that conversation about a possible funding grab. By ignoring it, I thought I made it clear I wasn't interested in that particular discussion, at which point you felt it necessary to outright insult me.

I will say that 95% of the time I hold my tongue on this forum in the interest of time and energy rather than out of a lack of more to add; as you might be able to guess from the long-winded posts I do make, I'm hardly out of things to say. So believe it or not, I've considered many of the same possibilities as you, but it's not uncommon for me to go ahead and let someone have their last word in a discussion simply because I just don't see the point.

But to make it perfectly clear, in this particular situation and conversation, whether he's the real deal or not is really of no concern to me - because the principles I'm talking about still stand either way.

These ideas he's championing are part of the progress you guys champion - with every hard charge comes a process of refinement, however clumsy it might be - whether you like it or not, and an argument could possibly even be made that charging for these ideas is inevitable when it comes to spreading them (though I can definitely see why you would call that hypocrisy in this context).

But more to the point, going on about punching this guy in the face is ridiculous and unnecessary bravado. And you guys could stand to be a little bit more humble. Which seems to be becoming a theme around here.

Look at Liz's posts, for example. One second he apologizes for being so brash and thanks me for my patient response. The next he sees a life expectancy chart (as if it took a genious to predict his next instinct was going to be to go Google life expectancy trends in Thailand) and he comes out guns blazing and elbows flying again, dropping little offhand quips at me in his post (i.e "posionous", "wisdom," etc). Even while talking about stuff he's already said he knows I believe as well.

As if I'm really so dense as to have not considered that angle already.

I mean, be humble or don't, for chrissakes - just make up your damn mind already.

The world and most people aren't so black and white, and just because you're right or think you're right or even if you do see something others don't doesn't give you license to pretend your opinions are judgement handed down; I swear, you guys are some intelligent cats, and probably much moreso than I, but sometimes you're like a pack of intellectual bulls trying to see who can make the most noise smashing through the virtual china shop.

And I think if you ever truly do reach the levels of wisdom some of you are so admirably striving for, you'll see how all of us are chock full of "things we know that just ain't so," which makes it a truly foolish act to be so hostile towards people who think differently than you (each one of us is bound to be the one wrong a considerable percentage of the time).

Back to the punching of faces, at the end of the day, none of us are going around laying people out for expressing their ideas on a stage (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). And definitely not little old men like this one. So let's all sit down and have a glass of keep it real around here already.

Especially if the promise of such a punch comes with the assertion that hitting a guy from this background is going to teach him something he doesn't know all too well already. Again, from a first-world Westerner, that is fresh, and to me a gross error in judgement (not to mention an underestimation of the less masculine Asian man that has bitten plenty of capable men in the past).

But if you want to call me gullible for standing by that, well color me gullible, Buddy. You guys have made it clear you want to look at the world through furrowed "realist" brow, and that's your choice, I suppose, if you think there is no room for civility and humility alongside "wisdom" and progress.

Either way, excuse me while I return to my blissful naivete because I honestly have wasted far more precious attention on this rant than I should have already.