IveBeenFramed
Kingfisher
The Hollywood cult claims another body. I swear every time I hear about a death like this I can't help but put on my tinfoil hat and think about Roosh's Hollywood Is A Satanic Cult post.
Linkin Park's Chester Bennington Passes Away at Age 41
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^ Agreed. The fact Bennington was friends with Chris Cornell (and godfather to Cornell's son) and they died the same way just two months apart with Bennington hanging himself today (which would've been Cornell's birthday) is just too much to overlook. I'll see you in that thread, buddy.
#Soyicide
King of Monkeys
Kingfisher
CynicalContrarian said:
Most vegans won't stop talking about this.
Comte De St. Germain said:
Man, I'm so old. I can remember when Linkin Park was held up as an example of 'the shittiness of modern music and fans'.
Hell, I'm so old, I finally 'get the joke' of a meme that's almost old enough for its balls to drop.
Robert High Hawk
Pelican
Suicide and drug overdoses are fast increasing in American men. There is certainly a growing sense of despair among this group, and while we can argue over the causes all day, it's present and it's something that every man should be aware of and cautious against.
Rio left an outstanding personal testimony, and to simply reinforce his point: The natural remedies, or preventions to depression that used to exist in society are fast depleting. The fabric of a healthy soul, a healthy society, meaningful inter-personal relations, purposeful living, and so forth, are going away or absent entirely.
This means that men need to be extra vigilant on their own temperament, and be pro-active to keep positive, sustainable, and healthy influences around them at all times. Also we should be sympathetic and caring to those that genuinely need help, be it through tough but positive love or merely having an open ear. Take the time to make personal connections and interact with others, don't think you're too special.
Rio left an outstanding personal testimony, and to simply reinforce his point: The natural remedies, or preventions to depression that used to exist in society are fast depleting. The fabric of a healthy soul, a healthy society, meaningful inter-personal relations, purposeful living, and so forth, are going away or absent entirely.
This means that men need to be extra vigilant on their own temperament, and be pro-active to keep positive, sustainable, and healthy influences around them at all times. Also we should be sympathetic and caring to those that genuinely need help, be it through tough but positive love or merely having an open ear. Take the time to make personal connections and interact with others, don't think you're too special.
Veloce said:
This is terrible and I hate hearing about this happening to people now. I used to think they were weak and selfish, but now I just feel for them.
Very few people can understand why someone with such a bright future would kill themselves. The pain going through her head each day was just too much for her to take.
I used to think depression stemmed from outside influences. Getting picked on, parents not being good people, losing your gf, etc. Those things influence depression, but IMO, are not the root cause. A lot of people have those things happen, and worse, and don't think of suicide. I think it's the people who are already severally depressed, or prone to depression, who end up taking their lives once those problems hit. Straw that broke the camels back.
Someone mentioned above that Chester needed to get over his dad molesting him as a child like many other people do. I think the thing here is that he was probably already prone to severe depression, and having to live with such a horrible childhood pushed him over the edge. Had he not been prone to depression, he quite possibly would have gotten over it and moved on with his life.
I'm lucky that my problems are mild compared to some out there. I can only imagine how much people are tormented before they finally decide enough is enough.
I also firmly believe my problems are related to digestive, gut and hormonal issues. I see a light at the end of the tunnel to my problems. Some people just see no hope.
BB1 said:
I did mushrooms once when I was in my late teens/early twenties. I have a friend who swears by acid to cure anxiety/depression, but honestly I think I could get violent on strong psychedelics. I don't think I want to try them.
I have heard of Ketamine clinics helping people too. I'd be more willing to try that, though I believe my problems stem from a fucked up gut/digestion/hormones.
Been away from the forum for a while, and coincidentally saw this story. My mother committed suicide years ago. She left behind 3 kids, a husband, and a seemingly great life with no troubled background, such as Bennington's abuse or alcohol problems. Nobody knows why people resort to this, but I can say with 100% certainty that the collateral damage is massive. I wouldn't wish the emotional trauma on my worst enemy, and the abandonment and sadness is something that stays with one forever who loses a loved one like this.
For whatever reason, depression is an epidemic in the modern world and can be absolutely lethal. The worst part is that there is never a black and white solution, and the drugs that the medical industry prescribes often make the situation worse.
Feel very sorry for his family, and especially his 6 kids. With enough time the shock will subside, but there will always be this asterisk whenever their father is mentioned, even in a positive manner. When you recollect on one who died from old age, you can tell a story, laugh, and know they lived a full life and it ended the way nature intended. When my mother is brought up in a positive light, there is a very quick smile, followed by sadness at the fact that she committed such a grave mistake. Just no logical reason for there to be a premature end, with so many things to live for.
I forgive my mother, and know she is in a better place as it is unhealthy to live in the past and have hateful emotions. But I know she did the wrong thing, as did Chester Bennington, Scott Weiland, Robin Williams, and others.
I wish an "It's a Wonderful Life" event could happen to all of those that are majorly depressed, where they would realize how much of a gift their existence is and to persevere through their problems and overcome their demons.
Always was a Linkin Park fan, and Bennington created some great music throughout the years. Unfortunately, his superb work will be overshadowed by this traumatic event, and it just didn't need to be this way. Hate reading stories like this.
Apologize for the long post, have never really opened up about this to anyone besides family.
For whatever reason, depression is an epidemic in the modern world and can be absolutely lethal. The worst part is that there is never a black and white solution, and the drugs that the medical industry prescribes often make the situation worse.
Feel very sorry for his family, and especially his 6 kids. With enough time the shock will subside, but there will always be this asterisk whenever their father is mentioned, even in a positive manner. When you recollect on one who died from old age, you can tell a story, laugh, and know they lived a full life and it ended the way nature intended. When my mother is brought up in a positive light, there is a very quick smile, followed by sadness at the fact that she committed such a grave mistake. Just no logical reason for there to be a premature end, with so many things to live for.
I forgive my mother, and know she is in a better place as it is unhealthy to live in the past and have hateful emotions. But I know she did the wrong thing, as did Chester Bennington, Scott Weiland, Robin Williams, and others.
I wish an "It's a Wonderful Life" event could happen to all of those that are majorly depressed, where they would realize how much of a gift their existence is and to persevere through their problems and overcome their demons.
Always was a Linkin Park fan, and Bennington created some great music throughout the years. Unfortunately, his superb work will be overshadowed by this traumatic event, and it just didn't need to be this way. Hate reading stories like this.
Apologize for the long post, have never really opened up about this to anyone besides family.
It is crazy to think how someone who had the money, fame and everything that comes with it, things that all people want a taste of, wont satisfy.
Some sober words from Ecclesiastes:
What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? Generations come and generations go.....I denied myself nothing my eyes desired; I refused my heart no pleasure.My heart took delight in all my labor, and this was the reward for all my toil.
11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve,everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun...... Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
Some sober words from Ecclesiastes:
What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? Generations come and generations go.....I denied myself nothing my eyes desired; I refused my heart no pleasure.My heart took delight in all my labor, and this was the reward for all my toil.
11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve,everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun...... Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.
His last song "Heavy" almost seemed like a foreshadowing of things to come. He was truly a musical genius, unfortunately, with genius often comes mental illness. I used to love their music, but a lot of it is quite dark. The song Faint is probably one of my favorite songs it seems to be more upbeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYU-8IFcDPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYU-8IFcDPw
I do find it an interesting quirk of fate, whereby, leftist type folk promote natural selection & evolution to the nth degree.
Yet when someone does natural selection the 'wrong' way.
All of a sudden there's the need for much gnashing of teeth & wringing of wrists...
Yet when someone does natural selection the 'wrong' way.
All of a sudden there's the need for much gnashing of teeth & wringing of wrists...
Truely sad to lose a piece of my childhood this way. I'm typing this as I listen to their most recent album and cant help but feel this event was foreshadowed.
Maybe I'm tainted with the bias formed by the actual event but its just a thought.
I recall when I was younger and listening to this music that it was quite dark and stopped for a short period of time thinking that it may influence me negatively.
Yet I enjoyed the pure sound of the music nonetheless.
These were the thoughts of a 3rd grader listening on speakers while playing runescape at his grandmothers house.
As for the thoughts on depression, I can relate to the feeling of being trapped in my own head, the feelings of suffocating in negativity, and the thought of ending it all in hopes of maybe getting a restart in life at the end of it.
They were hard times, and everyone I knew was completely oblivious to the fact of what was truly going on in my head.
The only things which were able to pull me through those times was the love I had for all the people in my life, the love they had for me, and the dying hopes for a future..
The thought of how selfish I would be if i actually went through with it (A belief I gained thanks to RvF); how much pain I would cause to everyone just so that I could feel some relief, gave me that drive to get myself together.
I don't want to imagine what could of happened if I did not have the people i have in my life, and even RvF at a more recent time.
I've never told people about this before and posting it on RvF just relieves the load on my chest, without the having to unnecessarily worry people.
I agree with everything RioNomad has posted and would only like to add that finding something to live for can make all the difference.
It could be something like your dog, your desire to leave something behind, your projects, your kids, ANYTHING.
Theres always something worth living for beyond the pain you may be going through.
Maybe I'm tainted with the bias formed by the actual event but its just a thought.
I recall when I was younger and listening to this music that it was quite dark and stopped for a short period of time thinking that it may influence me negatively.
Yet I enjoyed the pure sound of the music nonetheless.
These were the thoughts of a 3rd grader listening on speakers while playing runescape at his grandmothers house.
As for the thoughts on depression, I can relate to the feeling of being trapped in my own head, the feelings of suffocating in negativity, and the thought of ending it all in hopes of maybe getting a restart in life at the end of it.
They were hard times, and everyone I knew was completely oblivious to the fact of what was truly going on in my head.
The only things which were able to pull me through those times was the love I had for all the people in my life, the love they had for me, and the dying hopes for a future..
The thought of how selfish I would be if i actually went through with it (A belief I gained thanks to RvF); how much pain I would cause to everyone just so that I could feel some relief, gave me that drive to get myself together.
I don't want to imagine what could of happened if I did not have the people i have in my life, and even RvF at a more recent time.
I've never told people about this before and posting it on RvF just relieves the load on my chest, without the having to unnecessarily worry people.
I agree with everything RioNomad has posted and would only like to add that finding something to live for can make all the difference.
It could be something like your dog, your desire to leave something behind, your projects, your kids, ANYTHING.
Theres always something worth living for beyond the pain you may be going through.
People often don't understand when celebrities commit suicide.
There are a few explanations for that:
1) Wealth exacerbates your own faults - if you are fucked up before, you are likely more fucked up when you are given the means to fuck up your life more
2) Anti-depressants - they cause long-term even greater psychotic issues. Physical reasons for depressions can be quickly resolved by a high-potency multi and L-tryptophan at doses of 500-2000mg per day. Most of those pharma-prescribed legal drugs destroy the health far greater than admitted - Eminem and other stars talked about the horrors of those legal drugs which have withdrawal-symptoms greater than long-term heroin users.
3) Psychologically celebrities face other pressures - while I think that if they stayed away from drugs and psychotropics, then most problems would disappear, it is sometimes not as simple as that. There is research out there that musicians who produce disruptive music tend to have some disruptive tendencies. While disruptive music can be good for breaking up mental patterns and some rebellion, it also creates some internal vibrational havoc within a person. There are studies out there on the effects of harmonious and disharmonious music on plants and animals - plants growing better and cows giving more milk when listening to Bach than Iron Maiden. There is no reason to believe that music would not have a similar effect on humans.
Does that mean that musicians should not do the music they like? No - but it means that some musicians of the more disharmony kind should listen more to harmonious music in private to help them clean their pallet. Another point is also the extremely loud acoustics at many concerts that impact many musicians way more than currently admitted.
I am sure that future scientific literature will prove me right on all 3 points above.
There are a few explanations for that:
1) Wealth exacerbates your own faults - if you are fucked up before, you are likely more fucked up when you are given the means to fuck up your life more
2) Anti-depressants - they cause long-term even greater psychotic issues. Physical reasons for depressions can be quickly resolved by a high-potency multi and L-tryptophan at doses of 500-2000mg per day. Most of those pharma-prescribed legal drugs destroy the health far greater than admitted - Eminem and other stars talked about the horrors of those legal drugs which have withdrawal-symptoms greater than long-term heroin users.
3) Psychologically celebrities face other pressures - while I think that if they stayed away from drugs and psychotropics, then most problems would disappear, it is sometimes not as simple as that. There is research out there that musicians who produce disruptive music tend to have some disruptive tendencies. While disruptive music can be good for breaking up mental patterns and some rebellion, it also creates some internal vibrational havoc within a person. There are studies out there on the effects of harmonious and disharmonious music on plants and animals - plants growing better and cows giving more milk when listening to Bach than Iron Maiden. There is no reason to believe that music would not have a similar effect on humans.
Does that mean that musicians should not do the music they like? No - but it means that some musicians of the more disharmony kind should listen more to harmonious music in private to help them clean their pallet. Another point is also the extremely loud acoustics at many concerts that impact many musicians way more than currently admitted.
I am sure that future scientific literature will prove me right on all 3 points above.