Linkin Park's Chester Bennington Passes Away at Age 41

[LeoneVolpe]

^ Damn good post. And I happen to agree with you on each point.

 

[LeoneVolpe]

I completely agree with whoever said the bit about depressed people needing an "It's a Wonderful Life" type experience. Think about it like this -- Had Chris Cornell not chosen to hang himself, would his friend Chester Bennington have done it two months later on Cornell's birthday? Highly doubtful. It may have still happened at some point, one way or another, but it's unlikely it would've played out how it did. Would Cornell still have chosen to take his own life if he realized it may have contributed to his friend's suicide and depriving six children of their father (nine children if you count Cornell's as well).

 

[Gmac]

Fuckin pussy.

 

[xmlenigma]

People who have never dealt with real depression won't understand how someone like him or Chris Cornell, or anyone, can kill themselves. I honestly never did either until the past year, which has been a miserable and tormenting year for me.

I'm 99% sure I'd never kill myself, but I can easily understand how someone can now. It's like you're trapped in solitary confinement and you can't escape, because you're trapped in your head. Terrible thoughts constantly bombard you in the worst possible way and you can't get away from them.

I see Joe Rogan, who I honestly never cared for that much, talking about how he doesn't understand depression or how Cornell could kill himself and how people should just exercise and they will feel great. It doesn't work that way, and if you've never truly been depressed, not just feeling blue, you can never really understand. When you have real depression, exercise won't make you feel much better. If you feel down and blue, exercise absolutely will make you feel great, and it does help with depression, but not nearly to the same extent as people think.

I even posted on here before about how I thought my cousin was a big pussy for being depressed and suicidal, and how he needed to hit the gym, get laid, and get the fuck over it. Now I understand him. Something has changed in me the past couple of years and it's really fucked me up. I never ever struggled with anxiety and depression in my life until recently, so it has been a big shock to me.

I wanted to write this just because I'm sure other people here are in the same situation. I think it's a fucking epidemic in the modern world, for a lot of reasons that I won't get into. But I know a few things (and a person or two) have been helping me, so I thought this would be a good place to share.

1. Get on a sleep schedule. This one is hard for me, but I'm slowly getting into more of a pattern of going to bed and waking up at set times, and not sleeping until 12-4PM like a lazy fuck. The earlier I can wake up, the better I feel. I am also more productive, which has been extremely hard for me. If I wake up and do something, ANYTHING, I feel better.

2. Use a lightbox. You guys all know the thread here, read it. It helps and feels good to sit under it in the morning. I put a big stupid fake smile on my face while I do it. Fake smiles actually make you feel better. Good posture also.

3. Eat healthy. High fat, moderate protein, low carb is the winner for me. It's hard to follow, but when I do, I feel so much better psychically and mentally. I have very fucked up digestion and stomach issues which contribute a great deal to my problems. I'm in the process of fixing this, but as of now, a high fat diet seems to really help. Oils, nuts, grass fed butter, etc. Also, eat ENOUGH CALORIES. For me personally, if I don't eat enough, I become a madman. My head goes crazy and I can't control where my mind wanders. Even eating crap food like a PB&J with a glass of milk usually takes off the edge. Try not to eat crap food, but for me, crap food is better than no food. Fucking Taco Bell $5 big box gets me all of the time lol.

4. Exercise. Yes, I know what I wrote above about Rogan, but it does help. Just not in the way it helps when you're just feeling bummed out. I don't leave the gym feeling like a gladiator anymore, but lifting regularly helps. Sometimes when I feel like shit I'll force myself to put on gym clothes and say "I'm just going to go hit 5 sets of 10 reps of rows, and if I want to, I'll leave." The thing is I have NEVER actually left, and often times end up staying 1.5 hours and crushing back and having a great workout. Pick your favorite and easiest compound exercise and just go do it, even if it isn't much. Working out during the day is better for me too. I get outside, lift, and don't spend so much time zoned out at the computer.

5. GET OUTSIDE. This is a big one. I work online, and it is fucking miserable to stare off into a screen all day. Get outside and walk. Keep your head up high, shoulders back, and walk like you're the fucking man. After 30-60 minutes I feel much, much better. It also is a great time to think on ways to FIX your problems, instead of laying in bed dwelling on them and feeling down. This is when I have my best ideas and feel the most hope.

6. Remember there IS hope. You're in a hole, a fucking deep and shitty one, but you can get out of it. It'll take time and effort, even when you don't think you have any effort to give, but try to do one or two of the things on this list and you'll start to feel a little better each time, and go from there.

Meds didn't work for me, and I'd never take them again. Last ditch effort and they were garbage for me. Maybe they work for you, but not for me. I don't want them.

I almost just deleted this, but I think I'm going to post it anyways. Even though everyone on the internet is a badass that fucks 10's, if this helps one person, then it was worth posting and making myself look like a pussy lol.

Off to crush some legs.

Dark Night(s) of the Soul! Happens to me as well..

 

[xmlenigma]

Been away from the forum for a while, and coincidentally saw this story. My mother committed suicide years ago. She left behind 3 kids, a husband, and a seemingly great life with no troubled background, such as Bennington's abuse or alcohol problems. Nobody knows why people resort to this, but I can say with 100% certainty that the collateral damage is massive. I wouldn't wish the emotional trauma on my worst enemy, and the abandonment and sadness is something that stays with one forever who loses a loved one like this.

For whatever reason, depression is an epidemic in the modern world and can be absolutely lethal. The worst part is that there is never a black and white solution, and the drugs that the medical industry prescribes often make the situation worse.

Feel very sorry for his family, and especially his 6 kids. With enough time the shock will subside, but there will always be this asterisk whenever their father is mentioned, even in a positive manner. When you recollect on one who died from old age, you can tell a story, laugh, and know they lived a full life and it ended the way nature intended. When my mother is brought up in a positive light, there is a very quick smile, followed by sadness at the fact that she committed such a grave mistake. Just no logical reason for there to be a premature end, with so many things to live for.

I forgive my mother, and know she is in a better place as it is unhealthy to live in the past and have hateful emotions. But I know she did the wrong thing, as did Chester Bennington, Scott Weiland, Robin Williams, and others.

I wish an "It's a Wonderful Life" event could happen to all of those that are majorly depressed, where they would realize how much of a gift their existence is and to persevere through their problems and overcome their demons.

Always was a Linkin Park fan, and Bennington created some great music throughout the years. Unfortunately, his superb work will be overshadowed by this traumatic event, and it just didn't need to be this way. Hate reading stories like this.

Apologize for the long post, have never really opened up about this to anyone besides family.

I think its typical for people to defend or attack.. Lets take a different tact..

Its neither wrong nor right for them to do so.. We can hope and pray that we wish they had access to more alternatives & solutions than to have gotten so exhausted as to give up..

The battle is inner and it cannot be easily understood or explained.. it is what it is..

We can hope, pray and wish that ourselves, people around us and the world do not have to go through it .. and if they do.. hopefully they are able to come out of it with help support & other processes that help cleansing / catharasis and renewal from within..

In meditation & spiritual circles and maybe some religious circles it may be referred to as the dark night of the soul.. it may not have rooting or login the external world and no one can see it or feel it.. but that persons inner being is.. something shattered and its not easy to quickly super glue..

There are many mechanisms that different cultures have used to deal with such phases.. And from research and predictions more people will go through such stuff in this era... lets hope they find the right means to dig themselves out..

 

[Fuckyea]

xmlenigma

Could you elaborate on your last paragraph?

 

[Thomas More]

It is crazy to think how someone who had the money, fame and everything that comes with it, things that all people want a taste of, wont satisfy.

Some sober words from Ecclesiastes:

What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? Generations come and generations go.....I denied myself nothing my eyes desired; I refused my heart no pleasure.My heart took delight in all my labor, and this was the reward for all my toil.
11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve,everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun...... Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun.

I've read through Ecclesiastes numerous times, trying to understand the wisdom there. I feel like my life has no meaning, or at least, I have felt this way. I find I'm not able to simply say it outright as I initially typed it.

I'm somewhat bitter towards God, yet I still believe. I was not able to father children, so I have no descendants. I lived far too long as a blue pill man, and now my youth is behind me. The version of America and Western Civilization that I grew up in is gone and rejected by a huge percentage of the current population. I have no cause to devote myself to. All I can do is distract myself and engage in hedonism until I get old and die.

While I've considered life in these terms, it's obviously a poor way to look at things. To even follow the line of thought above demands that I figure out something more substantive to live for.

First of all, while I never had children, I do have loved ones in my life, who make me happy to spend time with, and who I care deeply about. Some actual family, some I've bonded with to where I feel they have become family, and some that are high quality long term friends. I also have a very interesting job, and a great circle of co-workers. So, while my life has not been perfect, and I still have some issues, I'm actually quite blessed.

Also, I think one of the answers is to reject this introspective notion that you have to have some kind of narrative "meaning" to your life. Life is messy. You can't understand or explain everything. As the saying goes, "Life is for living". It's better to live in the moment. Involve yourself in interesting things. Take in beauty, from nature and art. Enjoy pleasant company. Have sex, do drugs, listen to music, travel to exotic places.

Count your blessings, don't dwell on life's difficulties, and live each day as well as you can. I think this is very similar to the conclusions in Ecclesiastes.

Finally, I'd like to mention that this forum and the brotherhood I feel here is one of the great positives in my life. I love you guys! :grouphug:

 

[churros]

I completely agree with whoever said the bit about depressed people needing an "It's a Wonderful Life" type experience. Think about it like this -- Had Chris Cornell not chosen to hang himself, would his friend Chester Bennington have done it two months later on Cornell's birthday? Highly doubtful. It may have still happened at some point, one way or another, but it's unlikely it would've played out how it did. Would Cornell still have chosen to take his own life if he realized it may have contributed to his friend's suicide and depriving six children of their father (nine children if you count Cornell's as well).

Speaking honestly, and maybe somewhat callously, I'm disappointed to learn that Cornell was even friends with Bennington. It speaks to his decline as a musician.

Artists must be judged on their output, not their fame. If we are being objective, Cornell never improved on Soundgarden. Audioslave was okay.

And in that spirit, Linkin Park must be recognised for what they are: corporate slurry, garbage. They never had any justification for existence, not even nostalgic value. They are a mockery of a band.

Bennington must have know this about himself. Sucks that he died; the guy was obviously disturbed. But he achieved nothing worthy of respect.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Suicide among musicians really seems to be confined to white rockers. You don't see too many rappers offing themselves lol.

 

[churros]

Suicide among musicians really seems to be confined to white rockers. You don't see too many rappers offing themselves lol.

White rock music has fetishised beta cucks since indie and nu-metal.

Indie music was the origin of hipster fagdom we know and love today. The irony, the lampooning of masculinity, are all generic traits. Bands like Pavement are archetypal.

Grunge was a rejection of faux-masculinity in 80's hair metal. Bands like Dinosaur Jr. are extremely cucked. In one song, the singer likens himself to a dog, looking for attention and wagging his tail.

On the other hand, bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden distance themselves from the overt jock mentality, but don't lose their balls completely. Cobain spits at the TV cameras. Cornell is still topless; the music is heavy.

Nu-metal: in a degrading appeal to authenticity, Jon Davis of Korn wears child molestation on his sleeve. He openly cries about his dad on Korn's first album. It was edgy at the time.

Linkin Park are the final wave of nu-metal. Chester was hired by the record company to join the band. He's a shill. That's why I'm surprised he had the balls to kill himself. He weeps for money, like a heroin addict on the subway.

Suicide is the only authentic thing Chester Bennington ever did.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Suicide among musicians really seems to be confined to white rockers. You don't see too many rappers offing themselves lol.

I wonder why....

 

[Que enspastic]

Meteora was the first album I bought. Loved Hybrid Theory too. I don't recognise any of their stuff beyond 2004 Jay-Z mash up. It doesn't exist to me.

 

[HectorLavoe]

Suicide among musicians really seems to be confined to white rockers. You don't see too many rappers offing themselves lol.

I wonder why....

Eric Sermon from EPMD attempted suicide in 2001: http://www.nme.com/news/music/epmd-1378522


R and B artist Houston attempted suicide in 2004/5. He was stopped by security and famously started gouging his eye out with a fork: http://www.mtv.com/news/1496457/rb-singer-houston-gouges-eye-out-after-apparent-suicide-attempt/

Brother of Sticky Fingaz and Onyx affiliate X1 killed himself in 2007.

Rapper Earl Hayes committed suicide after murdering his VH1 star wife while on facetime with Floyd Mayweather: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2866759/Floyd-Mayweather-watched-FaceTime-rapper-shot-VH1-star-wife-dead-killed-himself.html

Those are the ones I remember but I don't pay attention to hip hop anymore. I'm sure there are more with how soft kids are these days. It's not just a white rocker thing, they are just always higher profile when it happens.

 

[LINUX]

Suicide is the only authentic thing Chester Bennington ever did.

I don't agree. This was a man who was molested as a child and never got over the pain. It's hard to judge unless you've walked his shoes. But this song, at his concert, one of his last, feels very authentic to me.

 

[Gunner]

Suicide among musicians really seems to be confined to white rockers. You don't see too many rappers offing themselves lol.

Nu-metal: in a degrading appeal to authenticity, Jon Davis of Korn wears child molestation on his sleeve. He openly cries about his dad on Korn's first album. It was edgy at the time.

Not exactly true, it was his stepmother:

He also spoke of having a horrible relationship with his stepmother.[11][12][13] He said she used to harass him and torture him, giving him tea mixed with Thai hot oil and jalapeño juice to drink when he was sick.[11] Davis's father later divorced her.[11][13] He says the song "Kill You" was written about her.[11][12][13] Davis has said that his earliest musical inspiration as a child was the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical Jesus Christ Superstar, and his favorite musical group was Duran Duran.[14] He graduated from Highland High School in 1989. He also attended the San Francisco School of Mortuary Science for a period of time. He was persistently harassed in Highland High School primarily by jocks for being different by wearing eyeliner, long clothes, and listening to new wave music.[14][15] He was teased, harmed, and beaten. Davis also was constantly called homophobic names.[14] The Korn song "Faget" was inspired by Davis' experience of being bullied.[16] Davis' "HIV" tattoo on his upper left arm was also inspired by his experience of being bullied. Davis says even teachers were mean to him and sent him to the counselor for wearing eyeliner.

Davis' childhood is a major influence on Korn lyrics. The song "Daddy" gave rise to a rumor that he was molested by his father, Rick Davis. However, Jonathan has gone on record in many interviews saying he wrote the song about a female family friend who sexually abused him. He said that when he tried to turn to his family as a child to tell them about the abuse, they shrugged it off and didn't believe him.

 

[xmlenigma]

xmlenigma

Could you elaborate on your last paragraph?

There are many mechanisms that different cultures have used to deal with such phases.. And from research and predictions more people will go through such stuff in this era... lets hope they find the right means to dig themselves out..

I've spent a lot of time exploring dark corners of the inner world.. in that journey experienced despair as well as bliss (spiritual light.. ).. Lots of meditation, yoga, reading, cognitive.. reading about the "spiritual" pathways..

E.g. Native American depressed fellow taken to Medicine Man.. He just asks.. When was the last time you Danced or Sang with joy? (Ergo.. stifled energy needs to express and experience something as simple as that to have a joyous experience)

Cultures that always got together at night, sat around a fire and talked or Sang or danced.. After a hard day of work.. it was "community" together..

Famous Warrior Emperor is told about Zen Master and his wisdom, so he goes to seek.. asks.. about Heaven & Hell.. ZM says, WE is smart enough to understand.. Angry.. raises sword.. ZM - smiles, "now you are in hell".. WE realizes, sword drops to ground and smiles.. ZM - smiles, "now you are in heaven"..

Mediation, Zen, Yoga, Prayer, Community "belongingness".. (Sad - when someone passes communities come / stay for support OR Happy events - celebrations/ weddings/ Bdays / Festivals), Spiritual/ Philo books etc.. Evey culture / region have their flavor of things to PREVENT and FIX "isolationism & depression"

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=depression+growth&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Tons of research/ medical / govt organizations point out depression is on the rise and will continue to do so.. "statistical forecasting" (There are ancient scriptures that predicted humanity will face such a time)...

At the height of humanities "rise in comforts" we are worse off than ever before.. by the state of our minds..

zEN4hcZutO0?t=88 - Look how these cocoa farmers are joyous in simple living..