Long-term benefits of the Coronavirus Pandemic

Laner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I feel I have already moved on.

The only part of me that misses my downtown condo is the part of me that still craves 'comfort'. But comfort is relative anyways, and now I see it as mostly just easiness. Life on the farm is colder, harder and dirtier. But also happier.

I have my family at work with me. I can work with my son. Him and I do a walk around to lock up an hour after sun set each night, and its impressive how important he takes the task. Locking gates and securing doors, checking windows. We talk. He asks questions. He listens.

After a couple hours of work in the morning I have coffee with my family. This morning they wanted me to read some of Johns teachings in the bible. Yesterday I read some Norse mythology and some Jocko Willink.

There are moments where I can feel my ancestors memories. The starvation, the war, the fear - yet the love, family, community is also there. Before, when I would get very angry I wanted to take a scalp. I laughed it off as a joke. But now, I am seeing the that this has always been; That in order for me to be here, right now, my grandfather's grandfather did take scalps. And he did it for the same reasons that any father would - either through the smallpox or the covid - and that is to protect his family.

I wonder how many are feeling like this. That going back to the old ways is going to be harder with each passing day.
 
Emancipator said:
It_is_my_time said:
Athanasius said:
One thing I'm using this for is to try to more fully break the sportsball habit (go from 90% to 98%). I don't miss it at all.

I used to think there was something a little wrong or stunted with people who didn't care for watching sports at all.
I quit watching sportsball a few years ago. I would know just enough for small talk with other guys, mostly learned from other conversation or trends on twitter.

I lived and died by sportsball when I was a kid. Knew all the stats, all the odds, all the players, most every big play, on and on. As I got older it wasn't as big of a deal but I still followed teams and story lines.

But as things disintegrated in the USA, I lost interest and found interest in other things. Now it just seems silly to me. Watching other grown men live and die by the actions of an athlete on a court/field. That athlete doesn't even care as much as the man cheering him on. The athlete still gets paid millions and lives far away from the serious problems we face day to day. The athlete wouldn't want to talk to the man if he see him out in public. And if that athlete blew his knee out and never made it, the man wouldn't want to talk to the has been if he saw him in public.

Anyway, the more you ween yourself off of it, the less interesting it is. Eventually it just seems silly that you ever watched or cared.

This is maybe the biggest benefit of this virus. The millions of men who are without sportsball and rediscovering what is really important in life and getting cut off cold turkey. Sure most will go back, but not all, and it is a step in the right direction.

I wish you the best in dropping the sportsball temptation and hope you find something else that is more beneficial to fill your free time.
The older I got, the more weird I found it to have grown men cheering on and wearing jerseys of men years (or decade(s)) younger than them (often teenagers!)
I come from the opposite point of view. I never cared about sportsball when I was growing up. There were times I actually didn't know my city's team was playing a big post season game.

However, after I took the red pill, I started to appreciate more purely masculine things. I started to lift weights and diet, in a way that raised my T levels. Along with this, I started liking sportsball, and MMA, and things like that.

Having started so late, I don't know all the players and stats, but I'm getting to know more of them than I used to, and I really like a good game or a good athletic feat. I agree it's not cool to wear other men's names on your shirts, but I don't mind wearing a shirt for just the team.

Most often, I like sports as background content, while i'm reading, or talking, or with music in place of the sports announcers. I watch with part of my attention most times.

Anyway, I didn't use to like sports, and now I do. I look forward to a partial season of baseball if the TrumpCure works well enough.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
I hope everyone is safe and sound. For those of you who are not, my prayers are with you. For those of you who are, I hope you are able to take advantage of the down time and find something productive. I have learned how important it is to count my blessings and I am trying to take advantage of this down time and remember what it has done for me.

#1) I posted early in this thread about going on a fast for the first time ever. I made it 41 hours and realized if I didn't eat I wouldn't be able to lift the following day. I loved it, it really feels great so I am going to try to go longer this weekend. I am only on 6 hours right now so I am just starting. I highly recommend it, especially for those over 40.

#2) I have been able to clean out some junk in my house. I have a long ways to go but I have made a dent. Years of neglect pile up.

#3) I have had time to research diet, nutrition and training. And I think I have some changes that will benefit me. I am going to cut the brown rice I eat every week. I was eating way too much carbs every week. I think I was over training. I will find out.

#4) The break from my long work weeks has allowed me to do a lot of reflection and start to change priorities in life. It has been very good for me and I think there is more good to come from it.

#5) More and more people are opening up to the idea that both sides politically are bad. This has huge potential. If those bozos in DC can't take care of the American people then the amount of easy red pilling will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

I don't want to minimize the danger and risk of this situation at all. But I want to try to find the little good that can come out of this for me.
 
On the fitness side I did find some bodyweight exercises that are not completely at odds with my goals.

Crow to Handstand tutorial

When all is finally done I will have a few routines ready that could be done in the confines of a room with no equipment whatsoever. Good for trips or similar future situations.

On the economic front, as long as it does not take "forever", it will clear up some highly leveraged companies that were not managed right. Many good ones will bear the burden too, but this could also be seen as a refresh of the market and some sectors could use it.
 

username

Pelican
Gold Member
I keep thinking about how nearly every casino in the United States is now closed. This is going to be an amazing way to break the grips of gambling addiction for millions of people. If there is literally no place to gamble and the longer the casinos are closed then more gambling addicts will be detoxed. Have to think some of the casino owners are worried they may never get back some of their most profitable customers.
 

Freebird Flying

Woodpecker
I've been enjoying the quietness and solitude.

I can see a some great new businesses and more people wanting to work for themselves, realizing that they should have more control of their lives.

Having an emergency fund and better finances (If only the governments could learn this lesson), including being diversified with your investments.

Kindness and appreciation towards others. I took the time to write out my values, work on goals and goal setting, and focus on a wide array of concepts this past 2 weeks,

I realized also how stress free it is when it's quiet outside and I want to live in a more chill and quiet area in the future.

I've been able to take some additional study classes online to work on personal mastery and also studying some ways to generate additional cash flow.

Calling home more.

This has been absolutely amazing experience for me so far, but what's interesting is that I could have crafted this type of situation at anytime because I work online and have a lot of flexibility with taking long vacations and crafting my lifestyle. It's the lockdown of others that's allowed me to zone in.

The momentum I'm gathering (and I suspect many others) is going to be absolutely unstoppable. Some next Google or Microsoft will likely be created this month (not by me but by someone).

I hope we can start taking better care for the environment.
About globalism, I'm not a globalist, but I think that in some aspects we could benefit from having much more international collaboration to take better care for our planet. We are all in this together. There is karma.

And finally, I've been cooking at home the past 2 weeks. It's been going amazingly well. I'm loving the food and eating healthier than ever, and saving money.

I'm OK if the lockdown goes 2 months, 3 months, whatever it takes. But then again, I'm loving the solitude and have no complaints about my situation at this time.
 

CynicalContrarian

Peacock
Gold Member
username said:
I keep thinking about how nearly every casino in the United States is now closed. This is going to be an amazing way to break the grips of gambling addiction for millions of people. If there is literally no place to gamble and the longer the casinos are closed then more gambling addicts will be detoxed. Have to think some of the casino owners are worried they may never get back some of their most profitable customers.
I'd heard that Vegas was already shifting from a casino focus to a nightclub / party focus due to generational changes.
This situation could well hasten that.
 
Freebird Flying said:
I realized also how stress free it is when it's quiet outside and I want to live in a more chill and quiet area in the future.
Absolutely.

You don't realize how extremely noisy cities have become until something like this happens.

I hope enough people feel like you do, so that we can put an end to the smaller minority who feel like streets are made for non-stop partying, hanging out and racing.
 

kel

Kingfisher
username said:
I keep thinking about how nearly every casino in the United States is now closed. This is going to be an amazing way to break the grips of gambling addiction for millions of people.
I'm always hopeful, but:

1) Are rez casinos closed? Honest question, I don't know the answer, but I would presume that a statewide order wouldn't apply to them, so it'd be up to them whether to close or not.
2) Most states have lottery, including scratch offs, which you can get at gas stations, which are essential businesses. State lotteries are probably the most common form of gambling, because they're so ever-present. I worked at a gas station as a shitty job in my teens and would get those sad sack customers who'd come in, buy $50 of scratchies, scratch them in their car, come back to cash in the $25 they'd "won", buy more, repeat until $0, maybe throw down another $50. This would happen every shift.
 

Emancipator

Hummingbird
Gold Member
username said:
I keep thinking about how nearly every casino in the United States is now closed. This is going to be an amazing way to break the grips of gambling addiction for millions of people. If there is literally no place to gamble and the longer the casinos are closed then more gambling addicts will be detoxed. Have to think some of the casino owners are worried they may never get back some of their most profitable customers.
Sportsbook gamblers are itching for a fix since most sports leagues in the world aren't in operation. A lot of them looking for obscure random third world country sports leagues. Novelty props too.

All casinos have closed here but online gambling is legal here (like video games for table/slots) so they're probably switching to that. I've heard of some mid-western casinos still open, and as kel said, Indian casinos could still be open in some states.

Who knows about underground gambling operations.
 

Nascimento

Ostrich
Gold Member
Freebird Flying said:
I've been enjoying the quietness and solitude.

I can see a some great new businesses and more people wanting to work for themselves, realizing that they should have more control of their lives.

Having an emergency fund and better finances (If only the governments could learn this lesson), including being diversified with your investments.

Kindness and appreciation towards others. I took the time to write out my values, work on goals and goal setting, and focus on a wide array of concepts this past 2 weeks,

I realized also how stress free it is when it's quiet outside and I want to live in a more chill and quiet area in the future.

I've been able to take some additional study classes online to work on personal mastery and also studying some ways to generate additional cash flow.

Calling home more.

This has been absolutely amazing experience for me so far, but what's interesting is that I could have crafted this type of situation at anytime because I work online and have a lot of flexibility with taking long vacations and crafting my lifestyle. It's the lockdown of others that's allowed me to zone in.

The momentum I'm gathering (and I suspect many others) is going to be absolutely unstoppable. Some next Google or Microsoft will likely be created this month (not by me but by someone).

I hope we can start taking better care for the environment.
About globalism, I'm not a globalist, but I think that in some aspects we could benefit from having much more international collaboration to take better care for our planet. We are all in this together. There is karma.

And finally, I've been cooking at home the past 2 weeks. It's been going amazingly well. I'm loving the food and eating healthier than ever, and saving money.

I'm OK if the lockdown goes 2 months, 3 months, whatever it takes. But then again, I'm loving the solitude and have no complaints about my situation at this time.
Thanks for this. I had been focusing more on the negatives of this situation, rather than seeing the opportunity it brings at the time of this crisis.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
The amount of red pilling this is having on the population is pretty amazing. And it is only the beginning. This thing may not go away until the fall or even later. It likely will slightly go away, our billionaire paymasters force us to go back to work, then it kicks in again and is worse the 2nd go around.

And what does our govt. do for us? Not a damn thing. They give banks, billionaire bankers, billionaire CEO's trillions of dollars after they destroyed our way of life and economy with open borders and their risk all failed. The rest of us, who were right, who said this would not work, get nothing.

You have both parties, marching in lock step, to give us more of the same. This is while people are unable to pay their bills and are going underwater at a break neck pace. And this is all before the death and despair spreads far and wide, and I hope it does not, but I don't see any way of it being stopped.

People are rightfully getting furious. There is no sportsball to distract them. There are no bars or clubs to get their minds off of this. It is just them at home with their thoughts, many of them not able to work, and in their time of need the people who told them to "trust us" have turned their back on them.

The comments on various social media outlets are excellent. If the powers that be were intelligent they would bend at the knee and keep the people sedated with cheap liquidity from the fed. And amazingly they don't even seem to be aware of how dire things are.
 

jordypip23

Pelican
Gold Member
Emancipator said:
username said:
I keep thinking about how nearly every casino in the United States is now closed. This is going to be an amazing way to break the grips of gambling addiction for millions of people. If there is literally no place to gamble and the longer the casinos are closed then more gambling addicts will be detoxed. Have to think some of the casino owners are worried they may never get back some of their most profitable customers.
Sportsbook gamblers are itching for a fix since most sports leagues in the world aren't in operation. A lot of them looking for obscure random third world country sports leagues. Novelty props too.

All casinos have closed here but online gambling is legal here (like video games for table/slots) so they're probably switching to that. I've heard of some mid-western casinos still open, and as kel said, Indian casinos could still be open in some states.

Who knows about underground gambling operations.
This guy tried but fell flat on his face haha:

Saddest gambling expert ‘Vegas Dave’ trying to sell you on curling, checkers (clip 1 of 2)

Saddest gambling expert ‘Vegas Dave’ trying to sell you on curling, checkers (clip 2 of 2)
 

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
questor70 said:
America suffers from profound cognitive dissonance along the lines of wanting to have its cake and eat it too.

It's easy to rail about globalism, etc... but the fact is that when things are made locally the labor costs involved would raise the cost of anything local significantly. It's either that or pay americans the same slave labor wages as the 3rd world. I mean, why do you think the US employs so much illegal labor? It's to keep the cost of things that need to be produced locally like fresh produce down to a level that the public is willing to accept.

You see, globalization has sort of covered up stuff like inflation. It may have been possible back in the 1950s for the US to support a domestic workforce with a Leave it to Beaver lifestyle, complete with a pension. That's not really possible anymore. If you tried to rearrange society back to the 1950s, our overall level of prosperity would drop considerably.

You see what I mean? The good times of the post WWII era are over and simply can't come back. That doesn't mean I think it's a good thing for fragile supply lines to be dependent on China, but let's understand why it is the way it is than to simply think things can snap back to the 1950s.

Business as usual is a complex set of tradeoffs that have sort of arranged itself via the invisible hand to best suit the majority. There is room for improvement to be sure but for the most part it is the least-bad arrangement for the majority. I don't think most people are willing to accept this but it's because they are simply ignorant of the larger forces at play and are filled with magical thinking.
I agree with you, but it's a task that must be done. Even if it takes 20 years, it's worth it in the long run.

That's the real issue. Need to have real long-term thinking from now on, not endless bullshit quick fixes of kicking the can down the road.
 
It's not really a choice between lower wages to keep current consumption or less consumption of similar goods.

It's less consumption but of superior goods.

This would be a consequence of prices increasing across the board.

It would do away with "one smartphone model pr. year" business strategy and the "buy and toss" cheap fashion industry.

Now I've never been a trend buyer, so it doesn't bother me in the least. Consoomers might be bothered, but I've seen the educated middle class move in this direction anyway, looking at Whole Foods, hipster stuff, etc.

Local products means one smartphone pr. 5 years, but it lasts, like those early and superior iPhones. It means fashion has to change, less gross expression of individuality, more expression of taste and style.

It's really just going back to a consumer mindset of the 1950s:

The last toaster you'll ever buy etc and so on.
 

KMK

Robin
I really want to see the overleveraged holding companies that hold huge swaths of houses lose their fucking ass in the economic meltdown. I want to see their properties flood the foreclosure market while the execs go live under a bridge in a cardboard box. Is that too much to hope for?
 

Brodiaga

Ostrich
Gold Member
KMK said:
I really want to see the overleveraged holding companies that hold huge swaths of houses lose their fucking ass in the economic meltdown. I want to see their properties flood the foreclosure market while the execs go live under a bridge in a cardboard box. Is that too much to hope for?
Yes it is. Execs already have their $ millions or even billions they received as bonuses invested elsewhere. Even if the economic crisis wipes out 90% of their net worth, remaining 10% will still be enough for them and their families to never have to worry about living under a bridge.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
Brodiaga said:
KMK said:
I really want to see the overleveraged holding companies that hold huge swaths of houses lose their fucking ass in the economic meltdown. I want to see their properties flood the foreclosure market while the execs go live under a bridge in a cardboard box. Is that too much to hope for?
Yes it is. Execs already have their $ millions or even billions they received as bonuses invested elsewhere. Even if the economic crisis wipes out 90% of their net worth, remaining 10% will still be enough for them and their families to never have to worry about living under a bridge.
Add to the fact that they will be the first to get a bailout. Which is terrible, they will take their bailout and buy up more property as the little guy is forced to sell at very cheap prices.

The only good thing is it will make red pilling people much easier.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
Individuals: You must be responsible and have savings to cover 6 months plus of expenses in case of an unexpected emergency.

Large Corporations: You’re too important and the government will save your ass.

Specifically, Airlines: It wasn’t your fault...That’s right, the explosion of international air travel in the past two decades has nothing to do with the spread of this virus!
 
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