Looking down on people without a degree
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I mean, this statement/argument/etc. is like anything else, right? It's like bitching about girls that look down on you because you're not tall enough, (literally or figuratively) not buff/cut enough, don't make enough money, etc; it is a disqualifier.
As it relates to girls, if it pisses you off so much or takes you out of the game so much that you feel the need to bitch about it, get to school and get a degree. Sure there are a ton of dumbasses with degrees, especially today with a bunch of b.s. "universities" popping up, but if having that "piece of paper" is the main qualifier, think about how much more potential ass you now have open to you (again, literally and figuratively).
As it relates to girls, if it pisses you off so much or takes you out of the game so much that you feel the need to bitch about it, get to school and get a degree. Sure there are a ton of dumbasses with degrees, especially today with a bunch of b.s. "universities" popping up, but if having that "piece of paper" is the main qualifier, think about how much more potential ass you now have open to you (again, literally and figuratively).
RichieP said:
I traveled cross country a few years ago and moved to a new city. While on the road I met a late 30s/early 40s white guy who was in landscaping. Made small talk and asked how he got into it. He always liked plants, so after high school he went straightaway into landscaping. Now he's the go to guy for that region's horticultural landscaping and owns his business as well.
Surprisingly, he was quite down on himself. That he didn't go to college, was a blue collar laborer, and had a job many considered to be immigrant's work may have been the cause.
I asked "Have you ever thought how many cubicle monkeys would kill to be in your position? Owning a business, setting their own hours, and working outdoors all while doing something they enjoy?"
He didn't seem to have much game, so I suspect it was difficult for him to properly frame his occupation to women. "I'm a white landscaper please don't look down on me miss, boo hoo hoo," rather than "Fuck yeah I love this job. I do what I want!" and run shit like E Mech would.
Society ingrains in men with the American Dream:
-go to college, meet your wife there
-house with a white picket fence
-2 cars
-2.5 kids
-and 1 dog
And that having these is the only way one can be successful. As such, men who should be over the moon don't give themselves permission to be happy. Other people may look down on them, but the worst offense is when they have a poor opinion of self as well.
Way Cool Jr
Woodpecker
To look down at people just because of their degree is stupid and will close you a lot of doors.
Anyway we may argue how any well read, smart and educated man will probably see that quite a lot of people are actually slower in their minds, can't understand the beauty of some things that are more complex, like a good classic historical novel, or they bore you easily.
Anyway we may argue how any well read, smart and educated man will probably see that quite a lot of people are actually slower in their minds, can't understand the beauty of some things that are more complex, like a good classic historical novel, or they bore you easily.
FretDancer
Ostrich
I actually respect someone even more if they managed through life and managed to enjoy it, without a degree.
Rah
Woodpecker
I don't even think about bachelors degrees anymore, they're so meaningless these days. Even when I'm hiring people. I'd rather find a graphic designer that figured shit out on his own because he has talent pouring out of his ears than some visionless drone that completed all the check marks in a "graphic design" curriculum.
teh_skeeze
Pelican
My astronomy teacher showed the class a video during the last week of senior year. It was a short film at a graduation ceremony at Harvard. The person filming asked 23 graduates to draw a diagram of the Earth's rotation around the sun. Two got it correct. His lesson for the graduates was "Just because someone has a degree from a good school, it doesn't mean that they are smart".
When I worked as a caddy, a member I was carrying for asked me about my education. I told him that I went to school for business administration, but dropped out because I didn't feel school was right for me. I must have said it in a way that it showed I didn't like that fact of my life. He reassured me by telling me that the lead editor of the Wall Street Journal (iirc) didn't go to college.
There are "bums" and high school dropouts in Mensa. I'd love to see one of these "educated" skanks try to call one of them stupid. I took the practice test for Mensa online, it was probably the most difficult thing I ever completed. For those who are wondering, I didn't even come close.
When I worked as a caddy, a member I was carrying for asked me about my education. I told him that I went to school for business administration, but dropped out because I didn't feel school was right for me. I must have said it in a way that it showed I didn't like that fact of my life. He reassured me by telling me that the lead editor of the Wall Street Journal (iirc) didn't go to college.
There are "bums" and high school dropouts in Mensa. I'd love to see one of these "educated" skanks try to call one of them stupid. I took the practice test for Mensa online, it was probably the most difficult thing I ever completed. For those who are wondering, I didn't even come close.
Anon-A-Moose
Kingfisher
+1000WestIndianArchie said:
I'm 24 and have done more in 5 years than most grads do in a lifetime. Just need to find the next new gig...
It's depressing when you recount stories of travel or unusual/dangerous environments or basically anything non-SWPL that most young people now just glaze over. Like if it isn't on the newest iPhone they don't even notice. No curiosity about the world.
I used to vend jewelry and clothing at campuses. The girls didn't strike me as particularly bright. So if college screens for intelligence, it's not a very high bar.
I'm sure that socially and even intellectually it gives the participants a boost, but you have to put that in context. If you stay mentally active throughout the years, how does what you learn and forget in 4 years of college compare to what you continue to learn over the next twenty?
I'm not sure that college affects a persons reasoning ability. I've met college graduates and even college professors with horrible reasoning and logic skills.
I'm sure it does not affect brute intelligence.
And as far as I can see it doesn't affect a persons worldly understandings of the current state of science and technology, or even give him better writing skills. For those you need ongoing education and practice.
A buddy of mine once told me that he used to think I was less of a man because I never went to college, but then by the time I was 26 he noted that it was no longer possible to tell the difference. I was like "duh". What did you expect? You think there's just one window of learning? That people even remember most of what they learn in those years? That social experiences stop after that time?
Historically (before 1940 or so) college has been looked down on by business leaders as a crutch used by those who can't handle being autodidacts. That might be going too far, but if you are going to curl the paper one way, to get it flat you have to curl it the other. The talented will still be more talented than most regardless of college. Knowledge doesn't only enter into you when a human holding chalk gives it to you.
By the authority invested in me, I dub thee, Sir Educated!
The concept of a degree is really for girls. Girls love rigid status structures. Helps them with stability in their hypergamy. A prince is a prince is a prince. I'm an employer, and I put little stock in degrees and haven't even found college grades to be good indicators of future performance. I'd hire a smart and talented and motivated guy without a degree any day of the week over a guy with a good degree. I use college only as a way to screen for people motivated enough to go to college. At least here in Indonesia, the schools are in no way rigorous enough to really test for high aptitude, let alone creativity. I have to test that myself with months of trial and error. Occasionally an academic star will also be gifted, but mostly it just means they figured out what to memorize to get good grades, but that won't always translate to creative problem solving and high level conceptual ability.
I'm sure that socially and even intellectually it gives the participants a boost, but you have to put that in context. If you stay mentally active throughout the years, how does what you learn and forget in 4 years of college compare to what you continue to learn over the next twenty?
I'm not sure that college affects a persons reasoning ability. I've met college graduates and even college professors with horrible reasoning and logic skills.
I'm sure it does not affect brute intelligence.
And as far as I can see it doesn't affect a persons worldly understandings of the current state of science and technology, or even give him better writing skills. For those you need ongoing education and practice.
A buddy of mine once told me that he used to think I was less of a man because I never went to college, but then by the time I was 26 he noted that it was no longer possible to tell the difference. I was like "duh". What did you expect? You think there's just one window of learning? That people even remember most of what they learn in those years? That social experiences stop after that time?
Historically (before 1940 or so) college has been looked down on by business leaders as a crutch used by those who can't handle being autodidacts. That might be going too far, but if you are going to curl the paper one way, to get it flat you have to curl it the other. The talented will still be more talented than most regardless of college. Knowledge doesn't only enter into you when a human holding chalk gives it to you.
By the authority invested in me, I dub thee, Sir Educated!
The concept of a degree is really for girls. Girls love rigid status structures. Helps them with stability in their hypergamy. A prince is a prince is a prince. I'm an employer, and I put little stock in degrees and haven't even found college grades to be good indicators of future performance. I'd hire a smart and talented and motivated guy without a degree any day of the week over a guy with a good degree. I use college only as a way to screen for people motivated enough to go to college. At least here in Indonesia, the schools are in no way rigorous enough to really test for high aptitude, let alone creativity. I have to test that myself with months of trial and error. Occasionally an academic star will also be gifted, but mostly it just means they figured out what to memorize to get good grades, but that won't always translate to creative problem solving and high level conceptual ability.
houston said:
This is really hard question. There are bullshit degrees that don't mean anything if not paired with some concrete skills. It really depends on what field of work. They have PHDs in really useless stuff nowadays that doesn't serve anything else than entertainment. So basically, someone decides to stay in school for 10 years and read books, learning something just for the sake of learning something.
Whereas there are some degrees that just obtaining them is an accomplishment by itself. For instance, I know a doctor and I know everything she had to go through and the sacrifices she had to make to get her degree, so doctors have a basic respect from me.
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