Losing Body Fat as fast as possible.
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Chad Daring
Ostrich
Cr33pin said:
Yeah I'd like to try it too, just to see how I feel on it. I'm sure you could tweak it to not lose as much muscle, loads of legumes (which I believe were allowable)
My only hangup with it is that it seems to be inherently very expensive. If I get to a comfortable point in my life I could see myself doing it one or two times a year just to clean out the system.
_DC_
Kingfisher
Chad Daring said:
If you're serious about fasting, don't half ass it. Do a water-only fast. Juice fasting encourages more muscle loss than water fasting. Severe calorie restriction (as opposed to absolute calorie restriction) will kick the body in and out of ketosis, which is the process of using fats as energy in the absence of input calories. The switch over is confusing and cannibalizing of muscle tissue is highest during these transition periods.
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=335
I feel great if I do a 5-7 day fast. My strength doesn't decrease. Only warning is even though you drop a bunch of weight, if you're not very careful about your post-fast eating habits, you will gain it back rapidly (as the metabolism is a bit slower for a few weeks).
Its not an ideal weight loss solution, but it definitely allows cleansing on a whole different plane way more powerful than juice fasting. It is also a superb self-control technique. Its amazing what the body can do. Be forewarned however, its not easy by any stretch of the imagination.
RichieP
Pelican
Nice post DC, agree about water over juice fasts. How do you find muscle mass retention after the 5-7 day water fast? Lose alot or not too bad?
Theoretically a coconut oil fast might be just as good. Because it converts to ketones you'll still be in full ketosis the whole time, just with less of a calorie deficit so perhaps less muscle wasted. And you'll get the detox benefits because you're still reducing your protein intake to zero, so your cells still reach the same level of autophagy (e.g. "cleaning the crap out"). I dunno how much pure coconut oil a man can take without any other food though, lol.
Theoretically a coconut oil fast might be just as good. Because it converts to ketones you'll still be in full ketosis the whole time, just with less of a calorie deficit so perhaps less muscle wasted. And you'll get the detox benefits because you're still reducing your protein intake to zero, so your cells still reach the same level of autophagy (e.g. "cleaning the crap out"). I dunno how much pure coconut oil a man can take without any other food though, lol.
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Kingfisher
RichieP said:
I believe within the time frame of 24-72 hours the most muscle tissue is used, 2-3 ounces. Every day afterward the body uses approx. 0.5-1 ounces of muscle as a few bodily functions need amino acids (though everything else runs just fine on fat stores). Worst case scenario on a 7 day fast is half a pound (8 ounces) of muscle tissue, which is not noticeable. A juice fast can result in a perpetual 2-3 ounces a day, as the body is confused whether to switch to ketosis or not.
Here is a breakdown (see Physiological Changes): http://www.gaianstudies.org/articles4.htm I have no idea what Gaian studies are, but I've seen the physical data many times before and this is the first site I came across with the information. I believe Dr. Sheldon is the source of the info.
It flabbergasts me the percentage of people who don't understand the difference between fasting and starvation.
What do people think those fat deposits are for?? They are precisely for periods of no food, of which our ancestors had long stretches thereof. Starvation is when the body runs out of either fat or the small amounts of necessary protein. One obese man went over a year without eating on a hunger strike protesting a rape he claimed he didnt commit.
RichieP
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Nice, makes alot of sense. Cool to hear that the muscle loss isnt appreciable. I'm still trying to uproot all the bodybuilding myths that have sunk into my brain over the years ("eat every 2 hours or you'll waste muscle!!!") Juice fasting always struck me as deranged too, especially when people do it as a cancer treatment. Seems to me it's about the best way to feed the cancer and ruin the rest of your body!
That for that link too, good info.
That for that link too, good info.
I saw an amazing body tranformation yesterday. A guy that I work with lost about 30 pounds. Its not just the weight he lost, its the changes he made to his body. He went from soft to hard.
He used to drink alot, drink alot of soda, eat alot of fast food. He was chubby.
Well, now he is fucking ripped. I mean ripped. I was blown away. I asked him how he did it.
He said it was all diet.
Here is a sample of his diet.
8am - Oatmeal with berries and honey.
10am - 5 egg whites, avocado, corn tortillas
1pm - Grilled chicken salad
5pm - Grilled fish, brown rice, salad
8pm - Fruit
Next Day
8am - Smoothie of banana, almond butter, oatmeal, milk
10am - Egg whites with black beans and tomato
1pm - Grilled chicken with brown rice and yams
5pm - Steak and salad
8pm - vegetable juice
Almost everthing organic, nothing processed, no added sugars, very little booze.
This motherfucker went from having a beer gut to having a tight six pack!
Amazing.
His exercise was just alot of push ups, pulls ups, dips, and squats.
He used to drink alot, drink alot of soda, eat alot of fast food. He was chubby.
Well, now he is fucking ripped. I mean ripped. I was blown away. I asked him how he did it.
He said it was all diet.
Here is a sample of his diet.
8am - Oatmeal with berries and honey.
10am - 5 egg whites, avocado, corn tortillas
1pm - Grilled chicken salad
5pm - Grilled fish, brown rice, salad
8pm - Fruit
Next Day
8am - Smoothie of banana, almond butter, oatmeal, milk
10am - Egg whites with black beans and tomato
1pm - Grilled chicken with brown rice and yams
5pm - Steak and salad
8pm - vegetable juice
Almost everthing organic, nothing processed, no added sugars, very little booze.
This motherfucker went from having a beer gut to having a tight six pack!
Amazing.
His exercise was just alot of push ups, pulls ups, dips, and squats.
What have you guys done to lose body fat while still getting decent gains in the gym? I'm doing stronglifts right now, my working weight with squats is 250, deadlifts 275 rows/bench 140 and ohp 90. I want to keep getting decent gains. I'm 6'2 225lbs with a bf of ~22% I want to get down to at least 200lbs and ~18%bf by the end of april. I was thinking of eating 2500 cals on workout days and 2000 on the rest of the days keeping my protein/fats high and my carbs nearly nonexistent. I'm also going to do cardio after my lifting. I'm afraid that my gains wont be as much or I won't have enough energy to get through the workout. Any suggestions/thoughts?
alecks
Woodpecker
WesternCancer said:
i know what your trying to say but here is the reality of it bro
you cannot gain muscle tissue when you are in a caloric deficit (unless your on anabolics,which i doubt,like most of us).
You CAN keep most of your gains by lifting heavy and keeping calories sufficient for muscle maintenance.find out what your BMR is and only reduce calories by about 20%.dont go into starvation mode,you'l lose so much muscle by doing that.
Also keep lifting heavy.biggest noob mistake i see is dudes lifting heavy,then when they start dieting they think they should train lighter with higher reps.DONT. how did your muscles get to the size they are now? = heavy lifting.if you start to train light your muscles will recognize this and realise it doe'snt have to retain all this mass,then you end up getting smaller!!.
id recommend doing cardio on an empty stomach in the morning first thing,insulin levels are the lowest then,so fat stores are used for energy,and by cardio i mean walking on a treadmill for 30 mins etc.
track your calories for the day,keep carbs around by your PM workout.easy man.rome wasnt built in a day,so be patient.
Alright thanks for the input. I don't care all too much about gaining muscle mass as opposed to preserving it and still getting strength gains. I'm going to keep doing stronglifts during this "cut" too
alecks
Woodpecker
yeah its essential to keep lifting heavy even when your cutting,i know its much harder but its better in the long run.then as your strenght stays and your now at a lower bf%,your actually stronger.
as in,you are now at a lower body fat but you are able to keep lifting the same weight/more weight than your previous weight.so you end up getting to the point where your strenght keeps going up and your physique has a better muscle to fat ratio and strenght to weight ratio = Winning!
just do it slowly man trust me,dont rush into massive fat loss.its not good,slowly is best.whats your diet like?
as in,you are now at a lower body fat but you are able to keep lifting the same weight/more weight than your previous weight.so you end up getting to the point where your strenght keeps going up and your physique has a better muscle to fat ratio and strenght to weight ratio = Winning!
just do it slowly man trust me,dont rush into massive fat loss.its not good,slowly is best.whats your diet like?
I try to follow these guidelines: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-diet-muscle-gains-strength-building-fat-loss/ I eat a lot, sometimes not enough veggies, I eat like shit when I go back to my parents house (once a month or so) and occasionally eat chineese food, all you can eat sushi (once every few weeks) or some other kind of fast food like that, maybe 2-3 times a week at most.
Chad Daring
Ostrich
bmn200 said:
Just because you went around juicing the things that tasted good and not the things that were healthy doesn't prove that you have a clue.
Kale 0g Sugar
Broccoli 2g Sugar
Carrots 6g Sugar
Celery 2g Sugar
Ginger 0g Sugar
Spinach 0g Sugar
Apples 13g Sugar
Those are all the numbers for a 1 cup serving of everything. Thats 7 cups total at a whopping 23 grams of sugar, if you juice and add the pulp back in, consuming the entirety of the veggie/fruit you initially put in thats Thats a little more then 3g per 8oz serving.
So I stand by my initial statement, you dont know what you're talking about and making brash declarations based on your lack of information.
Cookie
Woodpecker
I don't know if anyone else has posted this yet, but I've just started doing it and it seems to work: http://artofmanliness.com/2012/01/25/intermittent-fasting/
Chad Daring
Ostrich
RichieP said:
Im just speculating, but I'd imagine it would be easier for the stomach to breakdown and absorb everything in juice form. Less work has to be done to it.
Alright I don't think this counts as losing fat but it's definitely worth mentioning.
I started taking a Hot Yoga class at night. You can google it for more info. I did an experiment last night. I weighed myself naked before and after class. I was 4 pounds less after a 90 minute workout. I drank about half a gallon of water throughout the work out. Water weighs about 8 pounds a gallon. Sweat probably weighs slightly more.
So I went down 4 pounds and drank 4 pounds of water. So I must have sweat out 8 pounds(1 gallon) of water in 90 minutes. True story.
I'm going keep track of my weight loss over a few months and post my results.
I started taking a Hot Yoga class at night. You can google it for more info. I did an experiment last night. I weighed myself naked before and after class. I was 4 pounds less after a 90 minute workout. I drank about half a gallon of water throughout the work out. Water weighs about 8 pounds a gallon. Sweat probably weighs slightly more.
So I went down 4 pounds and drank 4 pounds of water. So I must have sweat out 8 pounds(1 gallon) of water in 90 minutes. True story.
I'm going keep track of my weight loss over a few months and post my results.
_DC_
Kingfisher
I've lost about 12 pounds and ~2" off my waist the past few months. Basically just from eating decent and running.
I've got six weeks before pool season officially starts. I'm planning on losing another 12 pounds, but this time in a window about twice as small (six weeks).
I'm probably hovering around 12-14% BF. Does anybody have any anecdotal evidence about losing another 10 lbs or so at this level (I'm 6', 185lb, 34" actual waist)? I know getting to sub 10% is hard, however I feel like it will be more and more rewarding the closer you get to that level. Basically you get to a point (say 12%-14%) where there isn't any significant accumulation of weight anywhere, just little bits of pudge in some spots (love handles, lower abs), but you can't grab a hunk of anything (like you can in the higher teens!). I feel like once you get to this point, 10 lbs will make a huge difference. I sure hope so anyway.
I'm doing cardio 4-5x a week, aiming for 2000 cals 5 days a week with two 24 hour fasts per week. Trying to take it easy on drinking.
[to clarify from my first thread, i have taken creatine which added about 5 lbs, so I consider 192 to 180 lbs to be my weight loss]
I've got six weeks before pool season officially starts. I'm planning on losing another 12 pounds, but this time in a window about twice as small (six weeks).
I'm probably hovering around 12-14% BF. Does anybody have any anecdotal evidence about losing another 10 lbs or so at this level (I'm 6', 185lb, 34" actual waist)? I know getting to sub 10% is hard, however I feel like it will be more and more rewarding the closer you get to that level. Basically you get to a point (say 12%-14%) where there isn't any significant accumulation of weight anywhere, just little bits of pudge in some spots (love handles, lower abs), but you can't grab a hunk of anything (like you can in the higher teens!). I feel like once you get to this point, 10 lbs will make a huge difference. I sure hope so anyway.
I'm doing cardio 4-5x a week, aiming for 2000 cals 5 days a week with two 24 hour fasts per week. Trying to take it easy on drinking.
[to clarify from my first thread, i have taken creatine which added about 5 lbs, so I consider 192 to 180 lbs to be my weight loss]
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