I'm not familiar with the Medinsky movement. Please explain how the "actual goals maybe different from the stated ones."
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the peace talks in Istanbul yet. They were led by a certain Medinsky, who was described by Igor Strelkov as a soy man. That's not the exact term that he used, but the connotation is the same.
The original goals included full de-Nazification and de-militarization of Ukraine, meaning removing the current government of Ukraine and replacing it with something else. Whether or not these goals are commendable or not, is not the question, but rather that is what has been stated to the Russian society by it's government.
During these peace talks in Istanbul, none of these goals were even mentioned. Without discussing the terms of the talks, according to Strelkov and others, the Russian society, at least a plurality of the Russian people considered these peace talks as humiliation and some kind of maybe even treason. Those Russian people who had been enthusiastic about the military operation, which they considered as a kind of Patriotic Liberation War 2.0, were absolutely shocked when they saw that the Russian government made a perceived retreat. These are not my words, but Strelkov's, who described it as a capitulation. Even the presence of such a perceived reaction means something.
Strelkov also mentioned several shocking details, such as
allegedly the DNR forces are being sent into the battle without armor, with trilinear rifles, which had been used in the Civil War, in frontal attacks. According to him, border guards at the Federation-DNR border turn back humanitarian aid that Russian civilians and patriotic groups have collected by their own money. I cannot verify if this is true or not. The Federation army is fighting this war using contractors, which are soldiers who fight for money, obviously dependent on their employer. No mobilization has been declared in Russia, which according to Strelkov, implies that the Federation doesn't trust their people with weapons. Maybe that explains why some people in Russia view this not as a war of national liberation, but just as a land grab?
Are you saying the Russian Federation government doesn't serve the interests of the Russian people? Is the government that separated from the people in Russia? I was under the impression that the Russian people are beginning to rally to this war.
Well the war against the common external enemy, the russophobic neo-Nazis, is perhaps the only thing that unites the Russian people and the Federation government. Before the war, the Federation government had very strict kovid rules. People from Russia posted YouTube videos during the past two years how guards stood at the entrances of the stores, demanding to see people's QR codes. People were reduced to buying produce from small shops, the market, or directly from local peasants. Cops used to stop drivers and demand to see their QR codes, and demand money from drivers who didn't have them. And other bullshit which should not be mentioned. Unrest was such that there was a possibility of peasant rebellions. This was according to Russian bloggers on YouTube. Obviously that during an external war the Federation government could not fight it's own people, so it cancelled all these strict rules.
In modern Russia apparently there is wide spread de-industrialization and de-ruralization. There is a huge discrepancy between the richness of the Russian land and the living standard of the Russian people. Could the Federation government, with all their surplus money, instead of buying boats, spend at least some of this money to restore the rural derelict villages and factories? Because the Russian people do not have rights to their own land. Why is a plurality of the Russian countryside depopulated? Why are those people who still live in the countryside subjected to strict laws forbidding them to chop down trees to build and/or repair their traditional Russian wooden houses, even sometimes subjected to strict quotas on hunting, fishing, and foraging, which are figuratively speaking tying the hands behind the back? Why is the population density of Russia lower then the Sahara desert? The stereotype that Russia's economy is just a gas station is not wrong, there is very little industry or independent agriculture. Is this some kind of santa claus reset type shit?
Multiple prominent Russian public figures of the 20th and 21st century have proposed a future for Russia, the combination of modern technology, economy, and high living standards, and a resurgence of Russian traditional values and the Orthodox religion, with a neo-medieval aesthetic in art and architecture. Here we see the opposite thing, low living standards, crippled economy, low technology, and neo-feudal social economic system with only two social classes, the rich elites people affiliated with the Fed gov, and the rest of the "peasants", with little in common between them.
Any traditional values are preserved by grass roots movements by the will of the people only, in spite of all the obstacles that they have. There is the Russian civilization, which is represented by the Russian people and their beautiful ancient traditional culture, and then there is the Fed gov.
I love the Russian civilization, but as a disclaimer, I do not want to step on any big toes. I cannot be between a rock and a hard place. It seems that the extent of support for Putin on this sub cannot be explained just only because of Russian patriotism alone, especially from people who are clearly not Russians. So I should be careful here. There are people who are clearly anti-Russian liberals, nazis, and the like, who gloating at Russia's sufferings. And then there are patriots of Russia who talk about Russia's internal problems with sorrow. Now in an ideal world, such people should at least not be facing any negative consequences for talking about this. But we live in such a (God forgive me for saying this) f*ked up timeline.
We can compare the modern Russian Federation with the late stage Qing Dynasty China. That's the closest I can get without stepping into the mine field. If you can't read between the lines the post isn't for you anyway.
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