Lounge of Russian-Ukrainian War

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Apparently the Ukranian cannibal ate another Ukranian.
I can't post the tweet, since it has been labeled where you must log in to read the tweet.

A regular guy from #Kyiv, #Ukraine cooks and eats human remains which he found in what he believed was a burned Russian tank. However the tank was a Ukrainian T-64, which means he ate his fellow tribesman.
Thanks a lot to:@ZradaXXII pic.twitter.com/te2B4HAGWi

— Juan Sinmiedo (@Youblacksoul) April 28, 2022
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
Arestovich is way beyond machiavellism, he is an outright sociopath who is literally sacrificing Ukraine and its people for his own tribal goals. Machiavelli was a realist, not a nihilistic psychopath, nor a raging degenerate queen like Oleksy here...
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His timing acumen is hardly commendable, the only reason he predicted a war with Russia 3 years ago is that he was hell bent on starting it, as were the Nulands and her ilk who are running the show in the US and vassal states.
That's exactly what I am talking about. Arestovich knew better what the Kremlin was going to do than the Kremlin itself- by a margin of several years. You'd assume the bright Kremlin men have people and means in a country like Ukraine to keep tabs on things, but no. It hasn't been the only lapse in intel and strategic planning, and that's quite the understatement. One thing is for sure, Arestovich and ilk play to win, whatever it takes. Playing dirty is part of that game.

Meanwhile Putin and cadre back at the usual dimwitry. The tiger cannot change its stripes. Putin and cadre can't change how they lead, govern and operate fundamentally - it's just who they're. The West and people like Arestovich know this, and it continue to exploit it beyond belief. It's gotten to the point where people ask, when will Russians learn? Where is the bottom? What is the bottom anyway? If the everyday layman can see it, you know it stinks. There is no 9D chess to this, even though the simpletons will continue pretending there is.

Not a single Ukrainian elite of worth pronounced dead as a result of a two months+ long 'special operation'. It's not like these people are really hard to get to or tracked by a competent or semi-competent intelligence service in wartime. You want real progress, you start there, and not in a half-assed way either. After all, Russia is AT WAR with these people - and it's most of all an elite war. Putin and cadre's modus operandi is full of holes and consequently those holes are getting exploited to the maximum, as it should. And the cost of those vulnerabilities is already gigantic in terms of human and materiel losses. What's worse, it's threatening the degree of success of the operation itself (most important thing of all).

What does that, in combination with the refusal to declare war, mean? It means that even before the first tank rolled over the border bright Kremlin men had already decided that they would settle for a negotiated agreement. After a shaky first week Arestovich and ilk knew damned well were they stood, what the Kremlin's modus operandi was and how they themselves would fit into that equation. Obviously nobody sees it as anything but a war but whose is going to tell Putin and cadre? They, in their infinite hubris and genius, decided for political appearances on the international stage that it would be better to call it a special operation, so as to avoid it being labeled a war of conquest and an invasion. Reality is that it's an invasion with responsibility to protect. It wouldn't have been one in 2014 if they'd kept Yanukovich in power using hard power and not ceding legitimacy to a blatant coup but that event has been analyzed ad infinitum in the original Ukraine Conflict Lounge Thread hence no broken records.

The Ukrainians have got Russia exactly where they want them, on their calculus as the Russians have showed their hand already and are led by hard-headed donkeys that never evaluate political strategies mid-operation (ie. declaration of war/expanding the military scope/change of tactics). Hence it would be silly to expect the opposite now. Same for the West. To them all of Ukraine and its elites are expendable. So the more protracted the conflict, the better. The West will only settle if Russia really means business and is about to steamroll Ukraine in a horrible fashion. Only then will the West try to salvage anything to keep a footprint in Ukraine for later use. Right now that scenario is lightyears away - even those sky-high on their daily dose of Kremlin Intel Slava propaganda dope are probably aware of that. That's what the ultimate fall back plan to Lvov and the Polish feint is all about. Mistake number 1 is deciding to invade with the ultimate goal of a negotiated solution. No, you never let your enemy figure out your strategy. You invade with the public goal and intent of taking out every single enemy of the Russian state within Ukraine, no exceptions, top Ukrainian leadership and elites included. Once your true enemy (the elite, not the rank and file soldiers), once they feel the horror and see their peers fall - questioning whether they'll be next, only then will it be they who will beg you to negotiate to save their hide. Pure dimwitry.

The delusion of the 'need' of not 'angering' these elite with the threat of physical demise in order to have someone to sign away and 'legitimize' the land grab is causing all sorts of chaos and headaches. Quite frankly it is so far removed from the needed psychological preparedness that it is borderline treasonous. Hence whomever is advising to stay firm on that calculus is crazy and should be, in all honesty, shot. This crazy idea assumes that eventually the Ukrainians will have to 'give in' due to the obvious facts on the ground. Meanwhile the UFA is holding its own remarkably well with the elite's calculus bending to scorched earth on what most likely will be lost territory anyway so why give in and not cause maximum pain for the enemy if you're more than probable to lose it anyway. Not to mention that they all know their hides are well covered by the West as long as they stay within the script.

It's not a problem of failing, learning and then re-applying new knowledge onto reality, it's a problem of personality, lack of accountability within the highest echelons of power and being rusted into long established patterns. Hence guys like Arestovich are always one step ahead. You don't wage war with a peace council. That decision is obviously proving in many aspects of this conflict to be a detriment to the Russian people and state. It also speaks of the weakness of the political structure of the Russian state, with concentration of power at the very top. Lavrov (or worse, Medinsky) will be back at the negotiations the second the Ukrainians ask for one by command of the West. You can take that to the bank, 500% guaranteed returns. It's just who they are. They have been figured out long, long ago.

There's blood in the water, the West has smelled weakness. It's game on, thing's are about to get real(er). At this point one simply cannot fundamentally trust the Russian leadership not to shoot itself in the leg (again) in the hope of a 'ceasefire' with the West as it will only be a breather in the Ukrainian theater with the staged prepped for hybrid and kinetic war elsewhere. The Kremlin might try to have their 'mission accomplished' moment but we all know make-believe reality is not real.

As for the silly insults aimed at Arestovich, at the end of the day all the silly personal insults are just that, silly personal insults to cope with reality.
 
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911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Arestovich is a sociopath, that is not a "silly personal insult", it is a fact. The guy is built from the same cloth as Trotsky and would love nothing more than to add to the Christian Slav body count from the last two centuries. He is planning for perpetual war in Ukraine, this is not the mind of someone who actually cares about his country of residence (I assume he is a dual national), but someone who is actively destroying his country. The fact that he's also a homosexual who is like Zelensky addicted to cocaine is also relevant, people like him with no families and only their tribal affiliation as a cause will eagerly sacrifice millions of goyim.

The other fact here is that people like him are in control not just Ukraine, but of the West, , from Nuland, Sherman, Blinken down on to every major news network in the US, France, UK Germany etc. No amount of Russian leadership skill can change this fact.

Besides, their approach to the war has been far from the disaster you paint. It's pretty clear that they will take Novorossiya. They haven't done so earlier because they didn't have the technological edge that the new generation of hypersonic missiles confers them today. They did not have the ability to sink any American ship from the touch of a button 5-7 years ago.

The biggest mistake they've made was having $300 billion in their currency reserves left right in the lion's den, huge mistake by the head of their central bank, but even there, that represents only about one year's worth of hydrocarbon export.

They have already weathered the economic war, with the Ruble now stronger than the Euro, and their interest rates heading back down to normal range. Yes they are losing the propaganda war in the West, but are doing very well there with the other 6 billion people, even Mexico is on their side.

And they are also winning on the ground militarily, they will crush the main Ukie army in the Donbass and have open access to the middle of the country by this summer. There aren't going to be "6 to 10 million soldiers" in their way, as if a bunch of 16 year olds and middle aged pot-bellied Ukies with AKs and Javelins and without training are going to stop them. And much like in 1944 Germany, injecting a few NATO Wunderwaffe that will manage to make their way unscathed to the front will not change the outcome.
 
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muscacav

Robin
Other Christian
Apparently the Ukranian cannibal ate another Ukranian.
I can't post the tweet, since it has been labeled where you must log in to read the tweet.

A regular guy from #Kyiv, #Ukraine cooks and eats human remains which he found in what he believed was a burned Russian tank. However the tank was a Ukrainian T-64, which means he ate his fellow tribesman.
Thanks a lot to:@ZradaXXII pic.twitter.com/te2B4HAGWi

— Juan Sinmiedo (@Youblacksoul) April 28, 2022
You can use twstalker to see twitter accounts https://twstalker.com/Youblacksoul
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Apparently the Ukranian cannibal ate another Ukranian.
I can't post the tweet, since it has been labeled where you must log in to read the tweet.

A regular guy from #Kyiv, #Ukraine cooks and eats human remains which he found in what he believed was a burned Russian tank. However the tank was a Ukrainian T-64, which means he ate his fellow tribesman.
Thanks a lot to:@ZradaXXII pic.twitter.com/te2B4HAGWi

— Juan Sinmiedo (@Youblacksoul) April 28, 2022

I would not be surprised if this type of behavior was also taking place in the bunkers of Mariupol...
 

MajorStyles

Pelican
Catholic
I was in the airport and scanned a copy of The Economist. I rarely ever read mainsteamish periodicals, but I was killing time.

At any rate, the main story was titled "Why the World's Refusal to Denounce Russia is Disturbing" (or something to that effect). The story was a plaintive reprimand towards the rest of the world for not giving a shit about this event. They blamed the US's unwillingness to share the vaccines with the world as the principal reason (it's amazing the fantasy world that these people live within).

As always, you can get a snapshot of the enemy be periodically looking into their world (and then head for the shower immediately to wash yourself off).
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
It means that even before the first tank rolled over the border bright Kremlin men had already decided that they would settle for a negotiated agreement. They, in their infinite hubris and genius, decided for political appearances on the international stage that it would be better to call it a special operation, so as to avoid it being labeled a war of conquest and an invasion.
The delusion of the 'need' of not 'angering' these elite with the threat of physical demise in order to have someone to sign away and 'legitimize' the land grab is causing all sorts of chaos and headaches. Quite frankly it is so far removed from the needed psychological preparedness that it is borderline treasonous. It also speaks of the weakness of the political structure of the Russian state, with concentration of power at the very top. Lavrov (or worse, Medinsky) will be back at the negotiations the second the Ukrainians ask for one by command of the West.

"Only he wins the battle, who has determined in advance that he in fact resolve to win it."

-- Lev Tolstoy, War and Peace
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
Arestovich is a sociopath, that is not a "silly personal insult", it is a fact. The guy is built from the same cloth as Trotsky and would love nothing more than to add to the Christian Slav body count from the last two centuries. He is planning for perpetual war in Ukraine, this is not the mind of someone who actually cares about his country of residence (I assume he is a dual national), but someone who is actively destroying his country. The fact that he's also a homosexual who is like Zelensky addicted to cocaine is also relevant, people like him with no families and only their tribal affiliation as a cause will eagerly sacrifice millions of goyim.

The other fact here is that people like him are in control not just Ukraine, but of the West, , from Nuland, Sherman, Blinken down on to every major news network in the US, France, UK Germany etc. No amount of Russian leadership skill can change this fact.

Besides, their approach to the war has been far from the disaster you paint. It's pretty clear that they will take Novorossiya. They haven't done so earlier because they didn't have the technological edge that the new generation of hypersonic missiles confers them today. They did not have the ability to sink any American ship from the touch of a button 5-7 years ago.

The biggest mistake they've made was having $300 billion in their currency reserves left right in the lion's den, huge mistake by the head of their central bank, but even there, that represents only about one year's worth of hydrocarbon export.

They have already weathered the economic war, with the Ruble now stronger than the Euro, and their interest rates heading back down to normal range. Yes they are losing the propaganda war in the West, but are doing very well there with the other 6 billion people, even Mexico is on their side.

And they are also winning on the ground militarily, they will crush the main Ukie army in the Donbass and have open access to the middle of the country by this summer. There aren't going to be "6 to 10 million soldiers" in their way, as if a bunch of 16 year olds and middle aged pot-bellied Ukies with AKs and Javelins and without training are going to stop them. And much like in 1944 Germany, injecting a few NATO Wunderwaffe that will manage to make their way unscathed to the front will not change the outcome.

Delusional and completely off balance. Your biggest mistake, in your attempts to mischaracterize any opposing argument to fit a strawman that you can easily attack is trying to shoehorn it into the PRO-NATO/globohomo corner and on their 'side'. You can't form any line of argumentation that doesn't revolve around that western boogeyman, including your missteps by openly discriminating against westerners with inflammatory and phobic language. A slip of tongue, feet and ass if you will.

You're in shambles and it didn't take much. I ignored your nonsense and modus operandi for months. Realized that the first couple of times I analyzed your posting patterns and schtick on anything related to 'thirdworldism' - a long time ago already. A simple partisan propaganda hack. But since you couldn't help yourself in doing what you do, well, you get what you ask for. A good thrashing.

The fact is simple, you lied and lie all over place, are intellectually dishonest in your argumentations by intentionally misrepresenting arguments and flip-flop to extents rarely seen before. Not unlike the (((people))) you hate so much. Picking low hanging fruits and targets that stray of the narrative opportunistically (specially if their intellectual capacity or subject knowledge is lower). You can't run away from that, no matter the size of the walls of text you type with nonsense. Kinda funny to see you flustered about losing your grip aka control. Running from thread to thread spinning and damage controlling. Jesus what a mess. 9k post investment.

Biggest con being that you proclaim to be a westerner but talk of your fellow kin as the evil incarnate. But we however know better - the sheep of this forum obviously don't, and that's why you're here, to shepherd them on the 'right' path.

Not everyone is honest, specially those who think they can reach the moral high ground with lies, bullshit and propaganda. Your type is a known quantity. Full of bullshit. Get back to the drawing board. The strategy of tiring random idiots as you usually do with low IQ garbage ad-infinitum isn't gonna work here. 'There is no military build up on the border'.. There is not going to be an invasion'.. 'the invasion will be over in 7-14 days'.. yada yada yada, the list is endless. Get a bit more creative
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
@La Águila Negra your analysis has always been some of the most well researched and accurate on the forum, however when that research leads to paragraphs of insults to a relatively new member, that's an indicator of too much investment time wise and/or emotionally into this. I for one as an American and an Orthodox Christian, am quite simple. At the end of the day it is Orthodox Christians killing each other and it is quite sad. Another attack on the Church by Satan as far as I'm concerned. However, you cannot fault us for simply recognizing that one side is backed by the very people who have been persecuting us for years now, people who tried to put me and my family on the streets -- and acting accordingly in response.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Delusional and completely off balance. Your biggest mistake, in your attempts to mischaracterize any opposing argument to fit a strawman that you can easily attack is trying to shoehorn it into the PRO-NATO/globohomo corner and on their 'side'. You can't form any line of argumentation that doesn't revolve around that western boogeyman, including your missteps by openly discriminating against westerners with inflammatory and phobic language. A slip of tongue, feet and ass if you will.

You're in shambles and it didn't take much. I ignored your nonsense and modus operandi for months. Realized that the first couple of times I analyzed your posting patterns and schtick on anything related to 'thirdworldism' - a long time ago already. A simple partisan propaganda hack. But since you couldn't help yourself in doing what you do, well, you get what you ask for. A good thrashing.

The fact is simple, you lied and lie all over place, are intellectually dishonest in your argumentations by intentionally misrepresenting arguments and flip-flop to extents rarely seen before. Not unlike the (((people))) you hate so much. Picking low hanging fruits and targets that stray of the narrative opportunistically (specially if their intellectual capacity or subject knowledge is lower). You can't run away from that, no matter the size of the walls of text you type with nonsense. Kinda funny to see you flustered about losing your grip aka control. Running from thread to thread spinning and damage controlling. Jesus what a mess. 9k post investment.

Biggest con being that you proclaim to be a westerner but talk of your fellow kin as the evil incarnate. But we however know better - the sheep of this forum obviously don't, and that's why you're here, to shepherd them on the 'right' path.

Not everyone is honest, specially those who think they can reach the moral high ground with lies, bullshit and propaganda. Your type is a known quantity. Full of bullshit. Get back to the drawing board. The strategy of tiring random idiots as you usually do with low IQ garbage ad-infinitum isn't gonna work here. 'There is no military build up on the border'.. There is not going to be an invasion'.. 'the invasion will be over in 7-14 days'.. yada yada yada, the list is endless. Get a bit more creative

I'm no expert on what is really going on in the Ukraine - Russia conflict. I can only gather the information I can find online. All in all, it is awful watching more European Christian men kill each other for Raytheon and Lockheed Martin profits. I don't know the full situation in Russia or how things are going. There are polls showing Putin is extremely popular there with his popularity rising after this invasion. I don't know if there is any accuracy to those polls at all. It is possible that Putin and the western leaders are even on the same page and this is all theatre to tank the economies around the globe and help kick off the "great reset". I hope that isn't true but it is still a possibility to consider.

What I do know is that life in the USA is getting extremely bad and extremely fast. And for about a 24 hour period all the nationalists were back on twitter last week. And their message was so much more powerful that it was in 2016 before they were banned. So many more relate to what they have to say because things have gotten so bad. Their retweets and likes blew up like crazy and they had to be banned again due to this popularity. People are hurting badly here and they are talking about it and they are at their wits end.

Seeing the US Govt. throw away $50 billion on this war that almost no one here cares about has people righteously upset. I just went to the grocery store yesterday and the shelves were not empty but they were lower than normal. We have warnings of food shortages which will lead to crime and death not seen in the history of the USA. The crime rate across the USA is already likely breaking records, and the only reason we don't know is the suppression of the crimes committed. With the inflation many are barely able to make ends meat. They just raised the interest rates and the stock market was ready to sell off and now the housing market is cooling off. They need to do it 4-6 more times this year due to inflation and now they are realizing they might not even be able to do it. I have family in the agriculture business, and while this year looks okay, next year is a big worry due to fertilizer shortages. We are facing many major crises situations in the USA and there seems to not only be no resolution, the govt. tries to pretend like they don't even exist and have no plans to address it. In fact, it seems the USA govt. is complicate in making all these situations worse.

My point is that while Russia and Putin might be making a lot of mistakes, the USA is in no situation to fight another endless war. Ukraine did try to get Russia to start this war and might even have Russia right where they want them. But this would be the same govt. depending on the USA which is run by a bunch of low IQ morons with no idea of how close to collapse they have driven their own country. And the citizens of the west are getting very upset and talking about it.

My guess is Russia ends up with the eastern part of Ukraine at a very hefty price but the west pays even more for their hopeless attempt to stop them until they have to pull out and then just fund insurgent attacks against Russia. The problem then for the west is China and India don't seem to support us either, so if this does drag out with insurgent attacks, it could eventually come back to bite us here. And my long post is that simply the USA and the struggling citizenry is in no position to absorb those bites.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Delusional and completely off balance. Your biggest mistake, in your attempts to mischaracterize any opposing argument to fit a strawman that you can easily attack is trying to shoehorn it into the PRO-NATO/globohomo corner and on their 'side'. You can't form any line of argumentation that doesn't revolve around that western boogeyman, including your missteps by openly discriminating against westerners with inflammatory and phobic language. A slip of tongue, feet and ass if you will.

You're in shambles and it didn't take much. I ignored your nonsense and modus operandi for months. Realized that the first couple of times I analyzed your posting patterns and schtick on anything related to 'thirdworldism' - a long time ago already. A simple partisan propaganda hack. But since you couldn't help yourself in doing what you do, well, you get what you ask for. A good thrashing.

The fact is simple, you lied and lie all over place, are intellectually dishonest in your argumentations by intentionally misrepresenting arguments and flip-flop to extents rarely seen before. Not unlike the (((people))) you hate so much. Picking low hanging fruits and targets that stray of the narrative opportunistically (specially if their intellectual capacity or subject knowledge is lower). You can't run away from that, no matter the size of the walls of text you type with nonsense. Kinda funny to see you flustered about losing your grip aka control. Running from thread to thread spinning and damage controlling. Jesus what a mess. 9k post investment.

Biggest con being that you proclaim to be a westerner but talk of your fellow kin as the evil incarnate. But we however know better - the sheep of this forum obviously don't, and that's why you're here, to shepherd them on the 'right' path.

Not everyone is honest, specially those who think they can reach the moral high ground with lies, bullshit and propaganda. Your type is a known quantity. Full of bullshit. Get back to the drawing board. The strategy of tiring random idiots as you usually do with low IQ garbage ad-infinitum isn't gonna work here. 'There is no military build up on the border'.. There is not going to be an invasion'.. 'the invasion will be over in 7-14 days'.. yada yada yada, the list is endless. Get a bit more creative

Pretty disappointing to see this kind of emotional meltdown by a member I had respected. A wall of angry, all-out personal attacks, all over the place, with zero specifics.

It's also a bit weird that the trigger to your emotional unraveling here seemed to be my characterization of Aristovich (someone that you seemed to admire at some level) as a sociopath scum. Aristovich is not my kin, nor a friend of the West, and yes, he is indeed evil incarnate.

It looks like you could use some time offline.
 
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