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911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Good comment on Dreizen's blog:


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Troilus
May 5, 2022 at 10:45 pm

If I’m not mistaken, there’s an interview circulating of Arestovich – as close as you get to the brains of the Kiev operation – speculating in 2019 that there would be a war in 2022, 2024 and 2026. Now why would there be more than one? He is acknowledging that Ukraine cannot outright win an initial war with Russia. But, he hopes, that at some point the fact of war with Russia would drag NATO in. In other words, he accepts the loss of a great many Ukrainians in exchange for NATO membership and direct NATO war with Russia in Ukraine.

This is part of the reason why they don’t seem to mind sending untrained troops to the front to get chewed up by Russian artillery. What they have left of trained and loyal men they are re-training and consolidating in the west with western arms in the hopes of a successful counter attack on exhausted Russian forces. If that fails, they’re likely banking on actual NATO intervention. Notice they care very much about getting their Azovs out of Mariupol, but not about the thousands of conscripts – essentially civilians dragooned into service – getting annihilated in Donbass.

They hope to rebuild their nation on the basis of loyal Azovites, not regular Ukrainians. My sense is that this regime considers Ukraine as it is to be insufficiently “Ukrainian,” that is insufficiently made up of the kinds of people they want – hence the 100k+ far-right mercenaries brought in to swell the ranks of Azov. So, they’re using this war to cull the territory and build a new nation. Manpower, then, is not really a concern, unless it upsets the timetable.

If this seems not too dissimilar for what the left hopes for the United States, than you begin to understand why elements within our government enthusiastically support Azov. Spiritually Azov and the left are very similar. Cf: https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV Enthusiastic supporter of an Azov off-shoot, Kraken, on the ground in Kharkov. And actively trying to get Americans with the wrong politics killed. And yes beholden to the most aggressive current leftist ideologies.

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This commenter is pretty close to the truth, but perhaps is missing the tribal aspect, which would provide a deeper understanding on the nature of the new nation that Arestovich, Nuland, Kolomoisky, Blinken, Zelensky and co want to build in Ukraine...

Also Arestovich wants to use Ukrainian cannon fodder to burn any cultural bridges between Ukrainians and Russia, with every 45 year old bus driver or office manager conscript bombed to bits by Russian artillery in the Donbass, you will have a friends and family cluster that are turned into Russia haters. Though this calculus hasn't worked in Chechnya, where the relationship with Russia has turned 180 degrees after a far more fierce war and intense bombing. The evil plans of the cabal in charge of Ukraine and NATO policy won't necessarily materialize. In fact Putin has already foiled their plans in Syria.
 
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Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
A new video, in Ukraine they tie people to trees and beat them. Allegedly such people have been accused of being thieves, but without a fair trial, we really have no way of knowing.

 

Papist

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Just when will the Russians start targeting Ukraine? Would it not just make sense for them to take Zelensky out?

I was up very late and was very tired when I posted that. I meant Kiev. When will the Russians really hit the government and military in Kiev?
 
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DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I was up very late and was very tired when I posted that. I meant Kiev. When will the Russians really hit the government and military in Kiev?
What would that do exactly? It's DC that runs the show, and they can always get new puppets as long as so many Ukrainians hate Russia more than they're concerned for the well being of their own country. With every dollar in aid Ukraine receives, and with every additional mercenary on their soil, it becomes less and less Ukraine, and more of a generic NATO puppet state. That's the same reason God rebuked the Hebrews for seeking foreign aid from Egypt (Isaiah chapters 30 & 31).

Also Russia may want to keep the possibility of a puppet state based in Kiev on the table, and the infrastructure and government still existing in Kiev would be vital for that.
 
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Thomas More

Crow
Protestant


Below is the video that the above tweet is referring to.





Had to give a thumbs down reaction, not to Budoslavic's post, but the content of that video really is creepy and disturbing. The Election Wizard tweet about it being stone-cold dystopian is an understatement.

It would be disturbing to normies, but considering the kinds of behind the scenes activities we recognize around here, it's even more disturbing. The whole secular world is just layers and layers of conscious deception and manipulation. Even the apparent opposition is just more of the same for the most part. It's beyond our human minds to really discern the truth amongst the ubiquitous lies, except in limited cases where we have first hand knowledge, and even then not all the time.

It seems like we have to rely on God's grace and his supernatural guidance to have any inkling of the truth. Even mainstream churches are not reliable. We have to have enough discernment to even find a church where the truth is being taught. God grant us wisdom to see the truth of things.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Prime example of Ukie propaganda, turning the monsters that have used the entire city of Mariupol as their human shield and are currently protecting the biolab station in the bowels of Azovstal into heroes. This is how the Ikea Flag cult is built (a literal cult, note the use of "holy city" for Mariupol) :



They know that Russia is never going to let this hodge podge of high-ranking neonazis, NATO generals and western intel officers free, this is really about building up a death cult in the planned demolition-sacrifice of Ukraine, using slick videogame scenes and tug-at-your-heart women and children crying out for help...
 
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budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
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Had to give a thumbs down reaction, not to Budoslavic's post, but the content of that video really is creepy and disturbing. The Election Wizard tweet about it being stone-cold dystopian is an understatement.

It would be disturbing to normies, but considering the kinds of behind the scenes activities we recognize around here, it's even more disturbing. The whole secular world is just layers and layers of conscious deception and manipulation. Even the apparent opposition is just more of the same for the most part. It's beyond our human minds to really discern the truth amongst the ubiquitous lies, except in limited cases where we have first hand knowledge, and even then not all the time.

It seems like we have to rely on God's grace and his supernatural guidance to have any inkling of the truth. Even mainstream churches are not reliable. We have to have enough discernment to even find a church where the truth is being taught. God grant us wisdom to see the truth of things.

Note the timing in the last two weeks - i.e., recent news about Nina Jankowicz heading the "Disinformation" unit under DHS agency - and now the above mentioned creepy video. Also, note the 1st Special Forces Command's Twitter profile:
@1st_SF_Command
Official account of the world's Premier Partnered Irregular Warfare Force. Special Forces/Psychological Operations/Civil Affairs/Special Operations Sustainment.
Fort Bragg, NC
Joined May 2020

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C-Note

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
A new video, in Ukraine they tie people to trees and beat them. Allegedly such people have been accused of being thieves, but without a fair trial, we really have no way of knowing.


I thought that an RVF member who lived in Ukraine said that this was Ukrainian people bullying the Gypsy/Roma community because of the breakdown of law and order?
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
What would that do exactly? It's DC that runs the show, and they can always get new puppets as long as so many Ukrainians hate Russia more than they're concerned for the well being of their own country

Also Russia may want to keep the possibility of a puppet state based in Kiev on the table, and the infrastructure and government still existing in Kiev would be vital for that.

Additionally, killing Zelensky would result in a new Ukrainian leader quickly nominated by the US/NATO. A new leader who would be stronger than Zelensky, taller, smarter, and maybe even, a leader capable of handling weapons himself (which would be great for lifting spirits on a battlefield, from a Ukraine/NATO point of view).

So, the Russians probably prefer the physically-weak, ugly, short, piano-humping funny actor Zelensky alive, rather than having to deal with a new, tough, serious and heterosexual enemy leader.

So, that's the thing with unshaved TV-series comedian Zelensky : he's so unlikeable and short/weak/clownish, that Russians prefer him alive, all things considered.

Plus, "Better the devil you know", as the saying goes. Zelenski is a known quantity, his would-be replacement not so.
 
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mountainaire

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
You guys get it yet? I know we do. They are telling you directly to your face what they are doing and how they are doing it. And the do not care if you know who is behind the curtain anymore because there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
You look throughout history, hubris or chutzpah as they call it always preceeds a great fall. It's pretty clear where we are in the cycle.
 

Argus101

Sparrow
Protestant
^Of course all of these memes apply a whole lot more to Ukraine, so much projection there...

Better viewing on Victory Day:


If these women were really serious about being good soldiers, they would refuse to wear short skirts and insist on wearing pants instead that give them more freedom of action! Women shouldn't be in the military at all, not even just for ceremonial purposes! They can serve useful roles as nurses or police officers who deal with women prisoners, but that's it.
 
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