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I'm not surprised honestly. Canadians have a "peacekeeper" lineage to uphold, especially if that involves pushing the gay oligarchy agenda forward.
Canada is home to a large ukrainian diaspora

"In 2016, there were an estimated 1,359,655 persons of full or partial Ukrainian origin residing in Canada (the majority being Canadian-born citizens), making them Canada's eleventh largest ethnic group and giving Canada the world's third-largest Ukrainian population behind Ukraine itself and Russia."

 
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911

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As well a lot of these Ukrainian immigrants came from the western Ukraine heartland, which was hard hit by the Bolsheviks and by wars with Poland.
 

Max Roscoe

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Canada is home to a large ukrainian diaspora

"In 2016, there were an estimated 1,359,655 persons of full or partial Ukrainian origin residing in Canada (the majority being Canadian-born citizens), making them Canada's eleventh largest ethnic group and giving Canada the world's third-largest Ukrainian population behind Ukraine itself and Russia."

Canada only has 38 million people!
That's an insanely high number of Ukrainians. Sheesh, and I thought the Chinese were bad up there. I wonder if we will see a separation / independence action in Canada before the US.

One quarter of Canadians were born abroad, and only 32% of the population describes themselves as ethnic Canadian. Good grief!
 

Belgrano

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Chrystia Freeland is half-Ukrainian, with "interesting" family history. She knew exactly what she was doing:

"Freeland's mother, Halyna Chomiak, was born at a hospital administered by the US Army; her parents were staying at the displaced persons camp at the spa resort in Bad Wörishofen in Bavaria, Germany. Halyna's Ukrainian Catholic parents were Mykhailo Khomiak (anglicized as Michael Chomiak), born in Stroniatyn, Galicia, and Alexandra Loban, originally of Rudniki, near Stanislaviv (now Ivano-Frankivsk).

Freeland's maternal grandfather, Michael Chomiak (Ukrainian: Mykhailo Khomiak), had been a journalist before World War II. During the war in Nazi-occupied Poland and later in Nazi-occupied Austria he was chief editor of the Ukrainian antisemitic daily newspaper Krakivs'ki visti (News of Krakow) for the Nazi regime.

After Chomiak's death in 1984, John-Paul Himka, a professor of history at the University of Alberta, who was Chomiak's son-in-law (and also Freeland's uncle by marriage), used Chomiak's records, including old issues of the newspaper, as the basis of several scholarly papers focused on the coverage of Soviet mass-murders of Ukrainian civilians. These papers also examined the use of these massacres as propaganda against Jews.

In 2017, when Russian-affiliated websites further publicized Chomiak's connection to Nazism, Freeland and her spokespeople responded by claiming that this was a Russian disinformation campaign during her appointment to the position of minister of foreign affairs. Her office later denied Chomiak ever collaborated with Nazi Germany. However, reporting by The Globe and Mail showed that Freeland had known of her grandfather's Nazi ties since at least 1996, when she helped edit a scholarly article by Himka for the Journal of Ukrainian Studies."

"She received her Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian history and literature from Harvard University. During her time at Harvard, she visited the Soviet Union as an exchange student to study Ukrainian, although she was already fluent in the language. While there she attracted the attention of the KGB, which tagged her with the code name "Frida", and Soviet newspapers, who attacked her as a foreigner meddling in their internal affairs over her contacts with Ukrainian activists.

The KGB surveilled Freeland and tapped her phone calls, and documented the young Canadian activist delivering money, video and audio recording equipment, and a personal computer to contacts in Ukraine. She used a diplomat at the Canadian embassy in Moscow to send material abroad in a secret diplomatic pouch, worked with foreign journalists on stories about life in the Soviet Union, and organised marches and rallies to attract attention and support from western countries. On her return from a trip to London in March 1989, Freeland was denied re-entry to the USSR.

By the time her activism within Ukraine came to an end, Freeland had become the subject of a high level case study from the KGB on how much damage a single determined individual could inflict on the Soviet Union. In a 2021 interview with The Globe and Mail, one former member of the intelligence service called Freeland "a remarkable individual", and described her as "erudite, sociable, persistent, and inventive in achieving her goals"."

"On January 27, 2014, during the demonstrations leading up to the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, Freeland wrote an op-ed for The Globe and Mail, in which she excoriated the government of Viktor Yanukovich. She is a proponent of personal asset seizures and travel bans as part of economic sanction programs. Later, at the beginning of March, Freeland visited Ukraine on behalf of the Liberal Party, and tweeted her progress in meeting community leaders and members of the government in Kyiv. She lunched with the chief rabbi of Kyiv, met with Mustafa Dzhemilev, leader of the Crimean Tatars and an MP, and with Vitaly Klitchko, who is leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform party, and with Ukrainian MP Petro Poroshenko, who was subsequently elected president of Ukraine in May 2014."

"She speaks Ukrainian at home with her children."

"In 2014, John Geddes reported that Freeland and her sister co-owned an apartment overlooking Independence square in Kyiv."


She glows in the dark and is a key linchpin of Globohomo activities in Ukraine.

In case anyone missed it, I'll just quote my own post from early March about Canadian minister of finance, deputy prime minister and former minister of foreign affairs Chrystia Freeland.

The high number of Ukrainian-Canadian volunteers does not come as a surprise to me. From the history of Ukrainian emigration to Canada:
The second wave was heavily influenced by the struggle for Ukrainian independence during the Russian Civil War, and established two competing fraternal / benevolent organizations in Canada: the United Hetman Organization (UHO) in 1934 – which supported the idea of a Ukrainian "Cossack kingdom" led by Pavlo Skoropadskyi; and the rival Ukrainian National Federation (UNF) in 1932 – which supported the idea of an independent Ukrainian republic and politically supported the armed Ukrainian nationalist insurgency in Polish-occupied Western Ukraine. The UHO ceased to exist by 1960, while the UNF continued to expand and became the largest and most influential Ukrainian organization in Canada, spearheading the creation of the coordinating Ukrainian Canadian Committee (later Ukrainian Canadian Congress) during World War II.

From World War II to 1991, most Ukrainians coming to Canada were political refugees and Displaced Persons. They established a number of new organizations and affiliated newspapers, women's and youth groups, the most prominent of which was the Canadian League for the Liberation of Ukraine (renamed the League of Ukrainian Canadians after the collapse of the USSR in 1991). The League joined the Ukrainian Canadian Committee (later Ukrainian Canadian Congress) as a member organization in 1959.​

The Ukrainian language is taught in some schools:
In addition to the official English and French languages, many prairie public schools offer Ukrainian language education for children, including immersion programs. Generally second language students are taught the local Canadian Ukrainian dialect, rather than Standard Ukrainian.​

Ukrainian immigrants were one of the main forces pushing for multiculturalism in Canada:
Perhaps one of the most lasting contributions Ukrainian Canadians have made to the wider culture of Canada is the concept of multiculturalism, which was promoted as early as 1963 by Senator Paul Yuzyk. During and after the debates surrounding the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism, Ukrainian leaders, such as linguist Jaroslav Rudnyckyj, came out in force against the idea of English – French biculturalism, which they believed denied the contributions other peoples had made to Canada. Partly in response to this, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau shifted Canada to a policy of official multiculturalism; notably, the day after the Canadian Multiculturalism Policy of 1971 was officially announced, Trudeau gave a forceful speech in support of the policy at a national assembly of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress in Winnipeg.

Canada is a hotbed for Western Ukrainian nationalism:

Many Ukrainians fled Russia, Poland, and later, the Soviet Union, to find freedom and a better life in Canada. For them Canada became "an anti-Russia", where they could realize their political and economic ideas. Most Ukrainian Canadians were anti-Soviet, yet a minor group of Ukrainians has since 1910 supported Canadian socialism and contributed to the formation of the Communist Party of Canada, and formed a significant bloc within that group. They were also active in other Marxist organizations like the Ukrainian Labour Farmer Temple Association (ULFTA). Ukrainians also played a central role in the 1930s formation of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) and the 1960s formation of the New Democratic Party. Ukrainians were a notable portion of the Mackenzie–Papineau Battalion of Canadians who volunteered and fought in the Spanish Civil War on the side of the leftist republican government against the nationalist troops of Generalísimo Francisco Franco.

Ukrainians in Canada at first supported the Liberal Party federally and provincially, a minority moved towards the 1930s protest parties of Social Credit and the CCF federally and provincially. The vocal anti-communism of John Diefenbaker in the 1950s led the more nationalist-minded to support the federal Progressive Conservatives. Today's Ukrainian community tends to vote based on economic class interests and regional preferences.

The nationalist movement, through the Ukrainian National Federation and the Canadian League for the Liberation of Ukraine, was also an important part of the community. After Ukraine became independent Canada was one of the first nations to recognize Ukraine. From 1992 to 1994, Ukrainian Canadians were vital in fundraising to purchase a building in Ottawa to house the Embassy of Ukraine. As well, Canada has recognized the Holodomor (Ukrainian Famine) as an act of genocide. Canada also sent many observers to Ukraine during the disputed 2004 presidential election (see: Orange Revolution). The Government of Canada as well as its provincial governments – especially the Ukrainian strongholds in Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan – do much to support Ukraine's economic and political development.
 
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Yeagerist

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Pay attention to the west and center regions where the Ukrainian language prevails. It's the Carpathian Basin which formed a large part of Hungary (when they were in a dual monarchy with Austria) up until the end of World War I.

I heard from Gonzalo Lira that Orban and the Hungarians had considered trying to take parts of this territory for revanchist reasons but decided against because they don't have enough capability. Poland and Romania have also been considering to take Ukrainian territory once the war is over.
 
Azov commanders taken to prison in Moscow

MOSCOW, June 19. /TASS/.
"Several commanders of Ukraine’s Azov nationalist battalion, who surrendered in Mariupol, have been taken to Moscow’s Lefortovo detention center, a source in law enforcement agencies told TASS on Sunday.
"Currently, several Azov commanders, who were taken prisoner during the battles for Mariupol, have been taken to Lefortovo," the source said but did not disclose their names.
According to earlier reports, Svyatoslav Palamar (call sign Kalina), a deputy commander of the Azov battalion, and Sergei Volynsky (call sign Volyna), the commander of the 36th Marine Brigade of the Ukrainian armed forces, who surrendered in Mariupol, were transferred to Russia for investigative purposes.
More than 1,000 Ukrainian troops, who surrendered in Mariupol, have been transferred to Russia for investigative activities. A source in law enforcement agencies told TASS that more than 100 troops taken prisoner in Mariupol’s Azovstal works, including foreign mercenaries, might be kept in Moscow.
According to the Russian defense ministry, as many as 2,439 Ukrainian troops and Azov battalion members surrendered arms on May 16 after being blocked at the Azovstal works for about a month. On May 20, Russian forces liberated the plant’s entire territory."

 

Handsome Creepy Eel

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Alexandre Robert, host of the excellent HistoryLegends youtube channel, just posted a list of countries of origin of foreign fighters in Ukraine, and number 2 is a bit surprising:

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also note the moderate headchoppers from Syria in 8th place...
Croatia, a country of fewer than 4 million people, in 7th place... Sigh. But then again, our people are so thoroughly demoralized and brainwashed that it shouldn't be surprising...
 

Belgrano

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From RWA:
This Ukrainian amateur propaganda poster with a call for "derussification" by renaming Leo Tolstoy square in Kiev into Skoropadsky square is funny on several levels.​

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One of them being that Skoropadsky was a reactionary monarchist who wanted more autonomy for the Little Russian landowning nobility & opposed separating Ukraine from Russia.​
Skoropadsky's idea was basically a restoration of the Russian Empire but with the aristocracy in what is now central Ukraine having more political power and autonomy within some kind of federalized system.​
The whole "derussification" thing really would be funny if it weren't so sad. The Ukrainian ministry of education removed Gogol from the curriculum the other day for being a moskal orc after three decades of claiming him as Ukrainian.​
Deputy education minister Vitrenko: "All works about the mystical power of Russian arms, all that mythical stuff, it must be discarded. Everything that concerns, as they say, the suffering of the Russian soul, these works are too heavy for Ukrainians, we don't need them at all".​

Skoropadsky was actually hated by Ukrainian nationalists for being pro-Russian, and in 1918 they started an armed rebellion that defeated his government and forced him into exile. Save to say he was not a big fan of their ideology, he disliked extremists and thought that the Ukrainian nationalism of his opponents was russophobic and small-minded. His cabinet consisted mainly of Russian speakers, Tsarists, and Slavophiles.

But unfortunately it appears that this is not how history is being taught in Ukrainian schools these days.​
 
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Max Roscoe

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Re: the 2 captured Americans

Captured on their very first day of operations in Ukraine. lol

I'm not sure I buy their story... especially the older bearded 40 something guy who was supposedly just a "reservist" in the American military before going to volunteer for Ukraine. Doesn't seem the type that would sign up to become a mercenary in a place he had to google the location of.

On the other hand, it's interesting the way Russia is handling the re-education of its captured foreign fighters. They all claim to be treated well, and that they now see the lies they first believed from western media. Their demeanor is not of a brainwashed zombie but instead someone who is being thoughtful and reasonable (ie the bearded guy admits he was beaten by his captors but also says generally they treat him well, and that all the crimes of Ukraine were unknown to him before).

The bearded guy had a job related to chemical weapons, and I would be very suspicious of his reasons for being there, particularly considering his age--a 40 something is much less likely to fall for military tricks than an 18 year old who believes whatever his country / media tells him.

How will Russia treat them? These are essentially Americans individually warring with Russia, each one upping the odds of a full all-out American war with Russia, so Russia must take a very aggressive stance against them. On the other hand, if they have truly seen the light, and would come home and speak out against the war, they would be extremely valuable in the information war if Russia released them. Of course, our media will totally ignore them if they question the narrative of 2022 Ukraine is a stable and great country, plus I don't know how much I believe their backstories. I think Russia will want some form of harsh punishment for foreigners who come there just to kill Russians, even if they eventually trade or release them.
 
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