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budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Fascinating videos of the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces. The detailed of the architecture is amazing.





The Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces is dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Red Army’s Victory in the Great Patriotic War, which is what Russians call World War II. In addition to being a place of worship for practitioners of the Russian Orthodox faith, the cathedral is a monument to Russian military might, both in World War II and in all other historical conflicts where Russian armies prevailed.

It is located in a complex called Patriot Park in the Odintsovsky District, about 34 miles west of Moscow. According to the cathedral’s official website, “the church was designed in a monumental Russian style, organically incorporating modern architectural approaches and innovations unique to the Orthodox Church creations.”

At 95 meters in height and 79 meters in length, the Military Cathedral is one of the largest Orthodox churches in Russia. The Saviour-Not-Made-by-Hands icon that looks down from the central dome is the largest image of Christ’s face ever created in mosaic.

Clearly, the church was built with the intention that it would stand alongside St. Basil’s and other important Orthodox cathedrals as a significant Russian landmark. When the project was announced, in 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin said it would be “one more symbol of the indestructibility of our national traditions, of our loyalty to the memory of our forefathers and their achievements,” according to a report in the Times of London.

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911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
^One of the most striking aspects of this project is that it cost $82 million to build. Something similar to this in the US would have cost at least 10 times as much. Cookie-cutter football stadiums, which have fewer man-hours and cheaper materials, run well over $1 billion. This tells you that the Russian economy is vastly underestimated.

The church is prominently featured in this great video with the Russian anthem sung by the Bolshoi children choir:

 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
^One of the most striking aspects of this project is that it cost $82 million to build. Something similar to this in the US would have cost at least 10 times as much. Cookie-cutter football stadiums, which have fewer man-hours and cheaper materials, run well over $1 billion. This tells you that the Russian economy is vastly underestimated.

The church is prominently featured in this great video with the Russian anthem sung by the Bolshoi children choir:


"wypipo have no culture"

Beautiful and touching.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Immediately after Putin's "partial military mobilization" announcement, Russian people tried to flee to Georgia.



Six Miles of Traffic at Russia's Georgia Border Amid Mobilization—Tracker​

Six miles of traffic have built up at Russia's border with Georgia, the morning after President Vladimir Putin announced a partial military mobilization.

A Newsweek search on Yandex Maps shows a build-up of vehicles near the southern border, suggesting Russians are fleeing in response to the decree that reservists will be called up to fight in Ukraine.

At the time of writing, traffic is visible for a 6-mile stretch to the border checkpoint in Verkhnii Lars. Ekho Kavkaza, a Caucasus-based subsidiary of Radio Free Europe, published a video late on Wednesday showing a big queue at the checkpoint.

"People have already climbed into the oncoming lane. Some were out of line, some were standing earlier. It's impossible to pass," a voiceover states.

A Verkhnii Lars group on Telegram, set up for travelers who want to cross the border at the checkpoint, has grown by tens of thousands of members in a few hours.

Russians living in Moscow, St Petersburg, the southern city of Pyatigorsk, Mineralniye Vody in Stavropol Krai, Vladikavkaz and Krasnodar have all posted appeals for help.

"Will agree on a price, we need [assistance] urgently," wrote one St Petersburg resident.

"Hello! Is anyone from Moscow going tonight? I am a passenger with a small backpack. Gasoline with me," another asked.

One Telegram user asked if it was possible to pay to bypass the traffic at the border. "How to do it?" they wrote.

However, posts from those who said they were stuck in the traffic suggested this would not be easy. One wrote that they had only moved forward "500 meters in 3 hours" with "another 5.5 km" to go.

A motorist apparently traveling in the opposite direction posted: "We drove from Georgia to Russia quite quickly, but the traffic jam in the opposite direction is just gigantic."

A Telegram user who had made it to Georgia said she had been waiting for her son to join her for hours. "He has been standing in a fierce traffic jam from the Russian side for 4 hours," she wrote.

Yandex does not have an option to look up traffic conditions on previous days, but Newsweek searches on Yandex and Google Maps found that journeys to the border that "typically take" 10-15 minutes were taking four times as long on Thursday.

In the Telegram group, some expressed their frustration with the president, saying ordinary Russians were "just as against" the Ukraine war as "the rest of the world."

"It was not the Russians who unleashed the war, not the people, but the government, do you understand?" one wrote. "We did not elect him, we do not have free elections."

Earlier on Wednesday, after Putin's pre-recorded speech, the Russian online newspaper Lenta reported that flights to Armenia, Turkey and Georgia had sold out.

"All tickets for direct flights to Istanbul and Yerevan were sold out in a few minutes after Putin's address," the publication wrote on Twitter, alongside screenshots from airline websites.

The president said his partial mobilization was necessary "to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia." It came after Ukrainian forces carried out a major counteroffensive.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Catholic
Gold Member
Immediately after Putin's "partial military mobilization" announcement, Russian people tried to flee to Georgia.



Six Miles of Traffic at Russia's Georgia Border Amid Mobilization—Tracker​




"Ekho Kavkaza, a Caucasus-based subsidiary of Radio Free Europe, published a video late on Wednesday showing a big queue at the checkpoint."

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Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
I don't think the Russian people's heart is in this war. Ukraine however is, they see themselves fighting for their home. The west baited Putin into war and he fell for it. i don't think anyone realized how ill prepared for war the Russian army really was. I for one am quite stunned. The fact that Russia is having such trouble in Ukraine shows that NATO expansion is not needed. To a large degree, NATO is just a slush fund for the wealthy and connected. In another decade or so, Russian and Ukraine children won't know what gender they are. Sad...
 

mountainaire

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
^One of the most striking aspects of this project is that it cost $82 million to build. Something similar to this in the US would have cost at least 10 times as much. Cookie-cutter football stadiums, which have fewer man-hours and cheaper materials, run well over $1 billion. This tells you that the Russian economy is vastly underestimated.
Everything here is bloated, overpriced, and inefficient. With any major project you have 10 different entities all trying to wet their beaks without actually doing anything to contribute. 10 different layers of regulation and palms you have to grease to get anything done.

By the time all is said and done maybe 5-10% of the money actually goes towards building or making something. People aren't paid for their value in contribution, rather their connections and their ability to keep the grift going.

I know several people who have become wealthy by working for "non profit" and "NGOs", and these people are some of the most indecisive and dull people you'd meet. They're getting paid a lot for some reason, but it isn't for their competence...

Sometimes I'm amazed that we haven't had complete and total financial collapse by this point. It appears that most of our economy is completely fake, and connected people get to reap the benefits of the money printers running 24/7, while everyone else gets poorer and their quality of life decreases.

I'm sure corruption exists in Russia, too, but I'd be very surprised if their economy is even 10% as bloated and rotten as ours.
 

paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
^One of the most striking aspects of this project is that it cost $82 million to build. Something similar to this in the US would have cost at least 10 times as much. Cookie-cutter football stadiums, which have fewer man-hours and cheaper materials, run well over $1 billion. This tells you that the Russian economy is vastly underestimated.

The church is prominently featured in this great video with the Russian anthem sung by the Bolshoi children choir:


Beautiful the Soviet/Russian anthem.

My favorite:
 
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presidentcarter

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
I don't think the Russian people's heart is in this war. Ukraine however is, they see themselves fighting for their home. The west baited Putin into war and he fell for it. i don't think anyone realized how ill prepared for war the Russian army really was. I for one am quite stunned. The fact that Russia is having such trouble in Ukraine shows that NATO expansion is not needed. To a large degree, NATO is just a slush fund for the wealthy and connected. In another decade or so, Russian and Ukraine children won't know what gender they are. Sad...
Yeah people said that a decade ago as well; however having lived there I can tell you that the amount of Russians supporting globohomo ideals is very small, even today. Yes, a fraction of the youth in Moscow and Piter do and that's about it. This group dreams about moving to LA, NYC, and London. They obsess over Western culture like a teen over pop stars and boy bands. This same sect has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union and they were the ones that lined up for McDonald's and Levi's. They are simply too cool for their homeland and spend all their time dreaming about the greener grass they see on tv.

In contract, for the large majority of Russian youth, they primarily want the ability to succeed based on merit - which originated in the West (though I believe their view of meritocracy still existing in the West has decayed significantly). They weren't and still aren't interested in importing the atrocities of the West and are increasingly proud to be a nation which, despite corruption which exists in any federal apparatus, still functions with a degree of logic instead of the West's emotional and maniacal behavior. They are smart people and they understand this fact to a much deeper degree than your average brain dead American youth.

Ukraine to my understanding and experience is pretty much the exact opposite - hence why they hate Russians (their traditional parents). I never saw Ukrainian hate from a Russian, but I personally knew Ukrainians who seethed at Russia, wanted to 'bomb Moscow', and loved gay pride. Russian's have a lot more to fight for, and they know it.
 
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paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
Everything here is bloated, overpriced, and inefficient. With any major project you have 10 different entities all trying to wet their beaks without actually doing anything to contribute. 10 different layers of regulation and palms you have to grease to get anything done.

By the time all is said and done maybe 5-10% of the money actually goes towards building or making something. People aren't paid for their value in contribution, rather their connections and their ability to keep the grift going.

I know several people who have become wealthy by working for "non profit" and "NGOs", and these people are some of the most indecisive and dull people you'd meet. They're getting paid a lot for some reason, but it isn't for their competence...

Sometimes I'm amazed that we haven't had complete and total financial collapse by this point. It appears that most of our economy is completely fake, and connected people get to reap the benefits of the money printers running 24/7, while everyone else gets poorer and their quality of life decreases.

I'm sure corruption exists in Russia, too, but I'd be very surprised if their economy is even 10% as bloated and rotten as ours.

It's the dollar enforced by the world's biggest army.

You can compare it to a situation as if the US has the only Gold mine in the world, and the whole world is trading in gold.

Everyone is always looking for dollars, as on the global market oil, food, cotton, natural gas are all traded in Dollars.

Even though the US can print as much as they want, they dollar will always be scarce caused by the huge demand. The US hasn't collapsed as you can print dollars and get stuff in return from other countries. The dollar printing is a US tax on the global economy (you can finance a big army and get a lot of free stuff of it)

There is 1 thing essential for the house in the US to keep standing and that's the dollar.

That's the main priority for the elite I think. I find it very interesting the policy the US is pursuing with the high interest rates. We have seen a run on the dollar even though the US has ridiculous free money for everyone packages.

I think the high interest rates are there to secure the dominant dollar position. (everyone desires to keep their dollar positions now)

In this financialized economy hard workers and hard working enterpreneurs don't make a lot of money. 90% goes to the men in the middle, hence indeed a stadium costs 1 billion. And the US army costs 10x that of China, but the amount of people is about the same.

The US and the EU are so rusty under a small layer of Chrome. If we can't print and get free stuff anymore, we are done. It's like communism in Russia. It sucked all enterpreneurship out the the people there and under Putin a new philosophy and energy came. We have lived under financialism. Many of us have never worked, we just took cuts of everything, we call that jobs but they produce nothing. All the real estate traders, insurance agents, banks, tech companies, platforms, intellectual property shells.

There is nothing left.
 

AManLikePutin

Kingfisher
Okay, this is direct from Russia after several conversations I had with friends (Spb, Moscow, Kaliningrad & Kazan) yesterday and today from all over. Also from what my gf here (she's from Krasnodar) is hearing from her friends back home....Probably not gonna be too popular here, but I'd share.

The mood feels to be that of worry, angst, concern and sadness. Some quotes from my own friends:

"I just don't believe what's happening. Why is it happening. Why do our brothers, husbands and boyfriends have to die? Exactly for what?"

"I don't give a shit if Kherson is part of Russia or not. All people want is a normal life with a stable job. People's priority is having enough money to buy food, get medical care. Why do they have to go die in a war that's so far away in Ukraine? Why doesn't Putin go and fight himself?"

"Why this war at the first place? Why couldn't there be dialogue? Why is this happening. So many questions, and such a bleak and uncertain future. I pity for the thousands who'll lose their husbands, brothers and sons. For what exactly?"

"In Russia, at least from my feeling and those around me, the mood isn't one for war. We don't feel like we have been attacked, so it doesn't feel like we should risk our lives for this war. It feels to me that our heart is not ready for war. It's not in it."

"Maybe we should get the Uzbeks to go and fight in the war."

"My mother gets 15,000 RUB in pension. that's why I have to support her. Shouldn't we try to fix that first before dying in a war?"


We talked for a few hours. Talking about European industry, gas prices, upcoming winter. I told them the war will only stop when West stops bankrolling Ukraine, but Lizz Truss today said they won't stop until Ukraine wins. It's a game of who blinks first I explained. How this coming winter is the most important and history-defining in many decades. I explained how after any great war, the rules of the world are re-written by the victor. Hence USA/West wrote the rules of the new world after WWII, many new countries created, $$ becoming reserve currency which led them to becoming THE economic and global superpower. We talked about how Russia-Ukraine were 2 meetings away from signing a peace deal when Boris Johnson flew to Kiev to sabotage the deal. She almost lost her mind here and started cursing BoJo.

What's interesting is the different in generation opinions. My friends that I know are mostly millennial (none of them Liberal or West-loving btw, mostly unvaxxed even)...yet they almost all said their parents are super invested in the war and support the mobilization.
I think now I understand why Putin resisted this order for such a long time...he probably knew the mood in his own country. Looks like this had to happen now then.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Okay, this is direct from Russia after several conversations I had with friends (Spb, Moscow, Kaliningrad & Kazan) yesterday and today from all over. Also from what my gf here (she's from Krasnodar) is hearing from her friends back home....Probably not gonna be too popular here, but I'd share.

The mood feels to be that of worry, angst, concern and sadness. Some quotes from my own friends:

"I just don't believe what's happening. Why is it happening. Why do our brothers, husbands and boyfriends have to die? Exactly for what?"

"I don't give a shit if Kherson is part of Russia or not. All people want is a normal life with a stable job. People's priority is having enough money to buy food, get medical care. Why do they have to go die in a war that's so far away in Ukraine? Why doesn't Putin go and fight himself?"

"Why this war at the first place? Why couldn't there be dialogue? Why is this happening. So many questions, and such a bleak and uncertain future. I pity for the thousands who'll lose their husbands, brothers and sons. For what exactly?"

"In Russia, at least from my feeling and those around me, the mood isn't one for war. We don't feel like we have been attacked, so it doesn't feel like we should risk our lives for this war. It feels to me that our heart is not ready for war. It's not in it."

"Maybe we should get the Uzbeks to go and fight in the war."

"My mother gets 15,000 RUB in pension. that's why I have to support her. Shouldn't we try to fix that first before dying in a war?"


We talked for a few hours. Talking about European industry, gas prices, upcoming winter. I told them the war will only stop when West stops bankrolling Ukraine, but Lizz Truss today said they won't stop until Ukraine wins. It's a game of who blinks first I explained. How this coming winter is the most important and history-defining in many decades. I explained how after any great war, the rules of the world are re-written by the victor. Hence USA/West wrote the rules of the new world after WWII, many new countries created, $$ becoming reserve currency which led them to becoming THE economic and global superpower. We talked about how Russia-Ukraine were 2 meetings away from signing a peace deal when Boris Johnson flew to Kiev to sabotage the deal. She almost lost her mind here and started cursing BoJo.

What's interesting is the different in generation opinions. My friends that I know are mostly millennial (none of them Liberal or West-loving btw, mostly unvaxxed even)...yet they almost all said their parents are super invested in the war and support the mobilization.
I think now I understand why Putin resisted this order for such a long time...he probably knew the mood in his own country. Looks like this had to happen now then.
This makes perfect sense. It is highly unlikely the average person in Russia realizes how evil and disgusting life in the west has become. And even if they were aware of it, it is likely to motivate them to send their fathers/sons/brothers/husbands off to die thousands of miles away from home in, what was, another country.

Hopefully Putin and his team are able to explain to their people the need for these actions. And I don't know if they have the propaganda talent to do so. This might be the real battle, both explaining to the Russian people what they are up against and getting them motivated to follow through. If Putin can't do this, he will be ripe for the western elites to either replace him with a puppet or wait for him to leave and slowly infiltrate their way of life and eventually get a puppet in place.

Thank you for sharing.
 

TCOCBR18

Sparrow
Orthodox
Okay, this is direct from Russia after several conversations I had with friends (Spb, Moscow, Kaliningrad & Kazan) yesterday and today from all over. Also from what my gf here (she's from Krasnodar) is hearing from her friends back home....Probably not gonna be too popular here, but I'd share.

The mood feels to be that of worry, angst, concern and sadness. Some quotes from my own friends:

"I just don't believe what's happening. Why is it happening. Why do our brothers, husbands and boyfriends have to die? Exactly for what?"

"I don't give a shit if Kherson is part of Russia or not. All people want is a normal life with a stable job. People's priority is having enough money to buy food, get medical care. Why do they have to go die in a war that's so far away in Ukraine? Why doesn't Putin go and fight himself?"

"Why this war at the first place? Why couldn't there be dialogue? Why is this happening. So many questions, and such a bleak and uncertain future. I pity for the thousands who'll lose their husbands, brothers and sons. For what exactly?"

"In Russia, at least from my feeling and those around me, the mood isn't one for war. We don't feel like we have been attacked, so it doesn't feel like we should risk our lives for this war. It feels to me that our heart is not ready for war. It's not in it."

"Maybe we should get the Uzbeks to go and fight in the war."

"My mother gets 15,000 RUB in pension. that's why I have to support her. Shouldn't we try to fix that first before dying in a war?"


We talked for a few hours. Talking about European industry, gas prices, upcoming winter. I told them the war will only stop when West stops bankrolling Ukraine, but Lizz Truss today said they won't stop until Ukraine wins. It's a game of who blinks first I explained. How this coming winter is the most important and history-defining in many decades. I explained how after any great war, the rules of the world are re-written by the victor. Hence USA/West wrote the rules of the new world after WWII, many new countries created, $$ becoming reserve currency which led them to becoming THE economic and global superpower. We talked about how Russia-Ukraine were 2 meetings away from signing a peace deal when Boris Johnson flew to Kiev to sabotage the deal. She almost lost her mind here and started cursing BoJo.

What's interesting is the different in generation opinions. My friends that I know are mostly millennial (none of them Liberal or West-loving btw, mostly unvaxxed even)...yet they almost all said their parents are super invested in the war and support the mobilization.
I think now I understand why Putin resisted this order for such a long time...he probably knew the mood in his own country. Looks like this had to happen now then.
Reading the comments of these people you discussed, my reaction is just to say these sound like normal human beings. No normal person wants to be sent to fight in a large war. Or indeed, they may passively hope that the end result is good but for themselves personally, they are more concerned about their own livelihoods and families. To actually be enthusiastic for something like this requires a level of ideological commitment that is only really possible with Western levels of propaganda. And even the most committed Western-style Democracy Upholders would quickly lose their enthusiasm when they themselves are in danger.
 

uncledick

Woodpecker
Catholic
Various twitter accounts saying that Putin actually called up a million conscripts and not 300 thousand.

If thats the case, I think big gains by russia will be seen in the next 6 months. A million man army cannot easily be stopped. But this is clearly a escalation, provoked by NATOs endless arms and money transfers to ukraine. NATO will probably respond, so will they put boots on the ground next as ukraine possibly loses more land? Seems like it would be the next natural escalation.

And a further sign of coming Armageddon.
 

MRBR1908

Robin
Other Christian
"Immediately after Putin's "partial military mobilization" announcement, Russian people tried to flee to Georgia."

Seems to be there was tons of people, including a lot of men that tried to leave the Ukraine, until Ukrainian border guards with guns told them to turn around and you will be conscripted to fight....

No one wants to die in war.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
"Immediately after Putin's "partial military mobilization" announcement, Russian people tried to flee to Georgia."

Seems to be there was tons of people, including a lot of men that tried to leave the Ukraine, until Ukrainian border guards with guns told them to turn around and you will be conscripted to fight....

No one wants to die in war.
I don't know if this is true, it wouldn't surprise me, but I read somewhere that the Ukrainian army was short on Infared technology because it was being used heavily by their border guards to prevent their men from escaping at night.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member


Thread below via above mentioned ZeroHedage article...

The day after President Putin's partial mobilization order - wherein at least 300,000 Russian reservists have been called up - was met Thursday with some scenes of enthusiasm in Moscow, but also many instances of frustration and confusion in various parts of the country.

"Summons delivered to eligible men at midnight. Schoolteachers pressed into handing out draft notices. Men given an hour to pack their things and appear at draft centers," The Guardian observed. "Women sobbing as they sent their husbands and sons off to fight in Russia’s war in Ukraine."


"Thousands of men across Russia were handed draft papers and NGOs helping conscripts were flooded with requests for help Thursday amid the military mobilization launched by President Vladimir Putin to provide extra manpower for the Ukraine war," The Moscow Times reports Thursday.

"One Muscovite who was detained with her husband at an anti-mobilization demonstration told The Moscow Times that male protesters were given draft papers at the police station."

Footage of men lined up on the tarmac of a military airbase, wearing civilian clothes while toting military gear bags, has emerged and was circulated on social media after being published by regional outlet Mash.


According to a further description of another scene wherein a Moscow woman watched her husband leave for war:

“There was a military recruiting officer who gave the detained men draft notifications,” she told The Moscow Times.

“When the first person was asked to go to a separate room, we did not understand what was going on — but when he returned with a draft slip, we just started crying.”


Recruitment and mobilization has reportedly been met with some pushback and controversy particularly in outlying ethnic minority regions of the Russian Federation.


Another regional report described of some clips being widely shared:

One video, reportedly taken in Yakutia, shows the management of local companies summoning their workers and loading them onto buses heading to recruitment offices.

Another video, taken in the province of Zabaykalsky Krai, north of Mongolia, shows local military enlistment officers “collecting cannon fodder” late at night.

Videos from Chechnya have also appeared. Local warlord Ramzan Kadyrov has seemingly decided to implement Putin’s decree as quickly as possible, gathering several hundred young men.


Tickets for travel abroad have skyrocketed in price, with most being for one-way flights out of the country.
 
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