Lounge of Russian-Ukrainian War

[get2choppaaa]

The Suez canal surely is a high value target, and this move would not cost many lives, but Putin has to consider chinese interests. The canal is essential for China - more than 60% of Chinese exports to the EU are shipped through the Suez Canal.

Great Brittian, France and Israel once blockaded the Suez after WWII.

The US demanded open it up. When they refused, we told them we would call in our War Bonds.

Many historians (myself included) consider this the watershed moment in GB finally ceding its power over to the US as the Superpower in the West.

https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/suez-crisis

 

[Zanardi]

If I were Vladimir Vladimirovich, I would call 3 or 4 Western-European leaders tomorrow on some 'secure' phone, and say the following, word for word :

"Good morning, guten tag, you girlie men.

Well, listen, as I won't repeat : I've had it with your brazen sending of weapons and instructors to your clown puppet Zelensky. Enough is enough.

So, you have 48 hours to stop your attacks on Russia.

48 hours to bring back your Leopard tanks from Lvov. 48 hours to bring back your military advisers from Ukraine. Ah, and also, 48 hours to go on live TV and ask the Russian people for forgiveness, and additionally, ban gay prides from your cities.

If you don't comply, in 48 hours, I'll covertly send (from a submerged nuclear submarine) a nuke onto the Suez canal waterways, shutting it forever. My Russian economy will survive with little trouble, while your gay Western economy will crumble and your people will starve and riot... I'll deny any involvement, too. I'll also send a hypersonic missile onto Zelensky's presidential Palace while Anderson Cooper is visiting, and maybe a couple of other missiles onto your own palaces, if I feel so inclined.

Thanks for listening, and you have 48 hours. Poka, girlie men, and remember, if you don't comply, in 48 hours the Belgorod will fire her missiles from the (relative) depths of the sea"

And what would, exactly, make the "Poka girlie men" believe him and comply?

The issue, I think, with giving out an ultimatum like that is that it could send the message that the NATO arms being sent into Ukraine have riled Putin. Being rather nonchalant about it, gives off the impression that all these armaments have not altered the course of things and that NATO is just sending these tanks etc to be scrapped at their own expense.

Which it did. No offence, guys, but if Russia could win this war, they would've done it until now.

I think dealing out threats of massive escalation like that could be portrayed as someone who is losing a war lashing out, rather than someone who has things under control.

Just like Lavrov and Medvedev did, when NATO announced that they will send tanks to Ukraine. How was that? "We will retaliate as nobody had ever seen before"?

 

[mountainaire]

Which it did. No offence, guys, but if Russia could win this war, they would've done it until now.

Couldn't one also replace the word "Russia" with "NATO" in your statement? Wars don't have time limits or game clocks. It will end when one side capitulates.

 

[Easy_C]

Which it did. No offence, guys, but if Russia could win this war, they would've done it until now.

That is not historically typical for a war to be over inside a year. Sure, if you have a completely overwhelming difference in conventional firepower.

But very few wars "end" inside a year and even if the invasion is completely one sided you'll be dealing with partisan activity for years following.
More typically it takes about three years for both sides to exhaust themselves of people and equipment.

 

[Wutang]

There was too much over-optimism last year when things started kicking off. I recall quite a few people thinking Kiev would have been occupied by the Russians before the end of 2022. I think there was too much of the "It's finally happening!" cheerleading mentality that Russia was finally taking it to the western globohomo regime and people just wanted so badly for the western liberal government to get a black eye that it overrode sobriety in judgement.

 

[Easy_C]

There was too much over-optimism last year when things started kicking off. I recall quite a few people thinking Kiev would have been occupied by the Russians before the end of 2022. I think there was too much of the "It's finally happening!" cheerleading mentality that Russia was finally taking it to the western globohomo regime and people just wanted so badly for the western liberal government to get a black eye that it overrode sobriety in judgement.

That's reflective of Western mindset in general.

The flip side is the endless amount of breathless hysteria from normies, Neocons, etc. that Russia was going to collapse in a matter of weeks.

Obviously that did not happen. Westerners are people who, on aggregrate, trend towards being impatient drama queens. They love high drama events and expect them to resolve quickly.

Russians and Chinese do not have this same short term orientation and love of drama. We're at a distinct disadvantage when they're aware of our short term orientation and play around that. Notice how over the past year Russia's strategy has been extremely low drama. They don't announce grandiose offensive plans to crush the enemy once and for all. They don't do the thing with dire, dramatic, emotional predilections and posturing. They don't do extremely offensive, dramatic blitzkrieg attacks.

They just slowly and patiently grind away and the West (being a generation raised and "programmed" by television since birth) doesn't really know how to deal with that.

 

[Thomas More]

There was too much over-optimism last year when things started kicking off. I recall quite a few people thinking Kiev would have been occupied by the Russians before the end of 2022. I think there was too much of the "It's finally happening!" cheerleading mentality that Russia was finally taking it to the western globohomo regime and people just wanted so badly for the western liberal government to get a black eye that it overrode sobriety in judgement.

We were expecting something like the two Iraq wars. When Gulf War 1 happened in 1991, Iraq was listed as the fourth largest military on Earth. On paper, they had a very strong lineup of tanks, artillery, air force, and manpower. They also had prepared positions. Furthermore, the USSR was still intact at that time, and could easily have been expected to support Iraq against the Western allies. Another factor is that Iraq had been involved with the Iran-Iraq war in the years preceding Desert Storm, so all their military personnel had recent experience, and their force structure reflected that recent experience.

In comparison, the US was still under the legacy of Vietnam, the failed attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran, the destroyed barracks in Lebanon, etc. We did have some operations in Grenada, and an air strike against Libya, but those were tiny. Most people could not have imagined how dominant we would be in that war. People expected 10-20K casualties to retake Kuwait.

However, after a few months of aerial bombardment, the US flattened the Iraqi military in 100 hours. We walked away at that time because Bush 1 had enough sense not to want to occupy Iraq. We dominated a seemingly large military like it was nothing. We could have easily pushed through and occupied the country, as we eventually did in 2002.

I think that has set the standard ever since. Russia was expected to have similar success in Ukraine, but as we now know, they didn't.

 

[TruckDriver9]

So if this is true.... does it mean that Germany is sending aid and equipment to a country that is committing economic terrorism against it?

How stupid do they think we really are....it never ceases to amaze me.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Which it did. No offence, guys, but if Russia could win this war, they would've done it until now.

In my opinion, Russia has fought this war exactly as it needs to be fought. I can't say they have done everything perfectly, but they have done a great job in their process. The war in Ukraine is just the battlefield, the real war is East v. West. If Russia does defeat Ukraine, it still has to deal with NATO. And that isn't necessarily a military conflict, it will be an economic conflict. And I think Russia has played this about as well as possible.

#1) Russia has run a lot of the globalists out of their country, which is the most important step. The biggest threat to Putin isn't an external enemy, it is an enemy within. And by running these traitors out, the likelihood of a color revolution in Russia has greatly dropped.

#2) Russia has wisely made better international relations with China and BRICS in general. India said "to hell with NATO" and still buys Russian oil. China has increased trade with Russia so much so, that losing NATO trade is no concern. And working with Iran has allowed them to advance their drone technology, which is another HUGE point I will circle back to.

#3) Russia is slowly winning the hearts and minds of the western citizens. Support for the Ukraine effort is collapsing in the west. It is collapsing so badly that despite an economic collapse on the horizon, guaranteed employment by the US military is still giving 25% recruitment failure. No one in the west wants to fight in endless wars. Putin has won over the youth.

#4) And Russia is doing all of this, where on the battlefield they appear to be hitting an 8 or even 9 to 1 kill ratio, and they are using their older equipment and a lot of former prisoner mercenaries. The results on the battlefield v. cost spent, is beyond remarkable. So why don't they go for the big kill, knock out blow? Because you never expose your flank unless you have to do so. By holding back their soldiers, their best equipment they still have that big right cross that has the west scared. And by holding back their best equipment, we know nothing about it. We don't know the weaknesses of it, and it is a surprise they want to wait until it is needed. Russia probably hopes they never have to use it, and would much rather bleed the west dry. And this big equipment, in my opinion, is what has made the west scared to give Ukraine anything that can reach Russia or cause a real stir. Ukraine just gets old equipment or limited range equipment and it is making their war effort nothing more than futile.

#5) Back to Iran. Israel is the top dog. Iran is Israel's biggest threat. Iran is working with Russia and Israel doesn't like this whatsoever. But Israel isn't jumping in with Ukraine. Why is that? They know the war is lost and the last thing they want to do is give Russia an excuse to give Iran technology that they could use to crush Israel. Watch what Israel does, always, and Israel is sitting this one out because they know it is lost effort. Russia has won this war, unless NATO gets directly involved. And that is extremely unlikely.

 

[Going strong]

^This post above sums up the situation better than anything you'd read on the BBC, CNN, Fox News or any other MSM media.

In any case, regarding the first point, I couldn't agree more. It even occurred to me that a quick victory in Ukraine would not have enabled V. Putin to root out all the Western Globalists and purge his country from the 5th column. He's been able to do that only because the conflict is prolonged and harsh, so it gives him time and reason to act.

That's why I sometimes suspect that Vladimir Vladimirovich is maybe playing 5-D chess here, willingly dragging out the conflict while he cleans Russia of all (disgusting) western influence.

Maybe, once he's gotten rid of all Western companies and NGOs and lesbians (and solved the overcrowding of jails), thus once Russia is cured from within, then and only then he'll make the phone call I've been describing earlier on the thread, and bring bluffing NATO to their knees with the threat of his prowling nuclear submarines.

 

[It_is_my_time]

^This post above sums up the situation better than anything you'd read on the BBC, CNN, Fox News or any other MSM media.

In any case, regarding the first point, I couldn't agree more. It even occurred to me that a quick victory in Ukraine would not have enabled V. Putin to root out all the Western Globalists and purge his country from the 5th column. He's been able to do that only because the conflict is prolonged and harsh, so it gives him time and reason to act.

That's why I sometimes suspect that Vladimir Vladimirovich is maybe playing 5-D chess here, willingly dragging out the conflict while he cleans Russia of all (disgusting) western influence.

Maybe, once he's gotten rid of all Western companies and NGOs and lesbians (and solved the overcrowding of jails), thus once Russia is cured from within, then and only then he'll make the phone call I've been describing earlier on the thread, and bring bluffing NATO to their knees with the threat of his prowling nuclear submarines.

Great post. At this point I think Putin and his inner circle know their biggest threat, by far, is a traitor in the midst and a color revolution that follows soon after. So, they might be going slow, on purpose, so any western traitors reveal themselves, while shoring up the ranks from within.

 

[dicknixon72]

Slight digression - how do you guys who know more about Russian realpolitik feel about Wagner's influence in general and Prigozhin's influence specifically in regard to how Putin is operating? From cursory research he seems to be a tool Putin is using to - as others have said - using undesirables and profit-seeking useful idiots as cannon fodder rather than letting decent Russian citizens and the actual military suffer the brunt of initial losses.

What's in it for Wagner? How does the professional rank and file (especially careerists in the Russian army) feel about this guy's influence and seat at the table?

 

[murphykj930]

 

[DanielH]

But very few wars "end" inside a year and even if the invasion is completely one sided you'll be dealing with partisan activity for years following.
More typically it takes about three years for both sides to exhaust themselves of people and equipment.

This is an excellent point and, I hate this, but one of the benefits to Russia conducting the war in the manner it is is that it eliminates much of a potential future insurgency. Ukraine is being depopulated, with millions upon millions fleeing the country, and those willing to stay and fight are being industrially slaughtered by quantitatively superior artillery. There won't be many people willing or able to conduct an insurgency if this continues for a few more years, and this isn't Iraq or Afghanistan where they're having 4-6 children in a typical family.

 

[Lawrence87]

Good video.

It highlights how insane our leaders have become in the West. That we are slaves to retarded gay ideology over our own prosperity.

Globalists hate us, completely and utterly. We can freeze to death, lose our jobs, struggle to afford the basic costs of living, as long as we can have gay trannies in a country nobody cared about previously.

 

[Yeagerist]

When you boil it all down, the war is spiritual. Look at the source of inspiration for the west: Neo-pagan references (Star Wars and Avatar) along with witchcraft (Harry Potter). Compare it to Putin's speech on Tuesday with heavy references to Orthodoxy and Scripture. The contrast between paganism and Christianity could not be more stark.

On another note, notice how no one references Lord of the Rings or C.S. Lewis. Too Christian maybe?

I would also like to add that the NATO tweet doesn't even reference Dune properly. The Harkonnens were a sadistic space feudal dynasty and treated as the common arch-nemesis of both House Atreides and the Fremen of Arrakis. NATO literally puts Putin in the place of Muad'dib, and I don't think they know the implication of that.

There was too much over-optimism last year when things started kicking off. I recall quite a few people thinking Kiev would have been occupied by the Russians before the end of 2022. I think there was too much of the "It's finally happening!" cheerleading mentality that Russia was finally taking it to the western globohomo regime and people just wanted so badly for the western liberal government to get a black eye that it overrode sobriety in judgement.

It's unfortunate that even some anti-globohomo people fall into this fallacy that Russia aims to occupy all Ukrainian territory as its strategic objective. The point of their meat-grinder strategy is to steadily wear down Ukraine's manpower until there's literally no man left to fight for Zelensky's side.

This is an excellent point and, I hate this, but one of the benefits to Russia conducting the war in the manner it is is that it eliminates much of a potential future insurgency. Ukraine is being depopulated, with millions upon millions fleeing the country, and those willing to stay and fight are being industrially slaughtered by quantitatively superior artillery. There won't be many people willing or able to conduct an insurgency if this continues for a few more years, and this isn't Iraq or Afghanistan where they're having 4-6 children in a typical family.

Let me guess, Western media is gonna accuse Putin of perpetrating the "Ukrainian genocide" and thus likening him as the 21st Century Hitler, as is already being the case on some YT comments section.

 

[Thomas More]

This is an excellent analysis. The benefit to India and China from cheap Russian energy results in additional growth each year. The pain to Germany and the rest of the EU from higher energy prices due to their own sanctions against Russia results in damage to their economies, with less growth, shrinking industrial output, and shrinking market share each year.

Even a few years of this have a powerful cumulative effect. Eventually, Europe and the US will have to come crawling back to Russia begging to have access to their energy supplies, at which point Russia will demand payments in gold, Rubles, or Yuan. This only gets worse if Saudi Arabia decides to start requiring Yuan for their oil, which is highly plausible, almost likely.

This video didn't say it, but I would add that Russia will demand treaties with security guarantees in order to allow EU countries to purchase their energy. Considering the EU are known liars who sign treaties with the intent of violating them from the start, Russia will demand they exit NATO at the very least as a sign of good faith before agreeing to any new security agreements and allowing trade. Russia has no reason to play anything other than hard ball here. They can just refuse to sell if the deal isn't right.

Also not mentioned in all this discussion of increased growth for China and India vs decreased growth for the US and EU:

The US and EU are up to their necks in debt, and are now creating severe economic crises for themselves. They will have radical, first time in the history of the world levels of deficit spending, when they are already bankrupt.

Meanwhile, Russia has huge gold reserves, and their debt to GDP ratio is just under 17%, by far the lowest in the world for a major economy. Russia is the only top 10 economy that is not bankrupt, and instead of being bankrupt, they are flush with cash and resources, and their debt is ultra low.

 

[Thomas More]

It's unfortunate that even some anti-globohomo people fall into this fallacy that Russia aims to occupy all Ukrainian territory as its strategic objective. The point of their meat-grinder strategy is to steadily wear down Ukraine's manpower until there's literally no man left to fight for Zelensky's side.

It won't be long until all the aggressive Ukrainian men are dead, wounded, or at least shell shocked and beaten down by life. The surviving men in Ukraine will be the weak, the ineffectual, the soy boys, the scammers and the weasels.

This is what happened to European countries after WWI followed by WWII. Those English, French, and German guys really had BALLS in the 1800s, like every man walking down the street from garbage man to prince was a gigachad. Not after all the warrior types were wiped out two generations in a row.

boxer rebellion - Google Search

Here is a google search for images from the Boxer Rebellion in China. These are mostly drawings, but some photos. Look how the White soldiers are drawn. Look at pictures from the US Civil War or old West. A typical man back then was more manly than 99% today. It was the world wars that culled the stock.

That's what Ukraine is doing to themselves right now. Ukraine will be much more passive in decades to come.

 

[Zanardi]

It's unfortunate that even some anti-globohomo people fall into this fallacy that Russia aims to occupy all Ukrainian territory as its strategic objective. The point of their meat-grinder strategy is to steadily wear down Ukraine's manpower until there's literally no man left to fight for Zelensky's side.

This is exactly what the MSM says, but for Russia.

 

[budoslavic]