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[Bird]

Leaked documents suggest Zelensky will be replaced

And the new guy will be a former boxer?

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[Jaybosan]

@Bird Klitschko makes sense. He's already heavily involved in politics since the Orange Revolution in 2004. He's the current mayor of Kiev. He and his brother have been celebrities in boxing, but before that there father was a major general in the Soviet Union. They come from privilege, unlike most pro boxers.

 

[sarmaticus]

Kyiv's mayor learns from the IDF how to defend Ukraine

UKRAINIAN AFFAIRS: In an interview with The Jerusalem Post, Mayor Vitali Klitschko discussed his admiration for Israel and the IDF.

www.jpost.com

Excerpt from the article:

Klitschko has built strong ties with Ukrainian Chief Rabbi Yaakov Bleich and other Jewish leaders. His father’s mother is Jewish, and he has been told many times by Jews that they wished it was his grandmother on his mother’s side who was a member of the tribe, so that he would be a Jew by Jewish law.

 

[Bird]

Sorry, I forgot this is a jewish operation.

 

[Caduceus]

Sorry, I forgot this is a jewish operation.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Prigozhin's plane has crashed.

 

[Wutang]

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash

The Russian private military company boss was on the passenger list of the jet which came down near Moscow.

www.bbc.com

 

[Cynllo]

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash

The Russian private military company boss was on the passenger list of the jet which came down near Moscow.

www.bbc.com

Another inspirational move from the Russian government. This will motivate Russians to fight even harder to win against globohomo.

 

[Caduceus]

Seriously doubt Putin would kill 9 extra innocent people just to get rid of 1 man.

It's just not his style.

 

[Easy_C]

Seriously doubt Putin would kill 9 extra innocent people just to get rid of 1 man.

It's just not his style.

Eh. They would. And if it's a private plane odds are not everyone there is "innocent" in his eyes

 

[MarkNordic]

I actually believe this is a real accident. Putin wouldn’t kill a single innocent bystander and there’s no way GloboHomoBidenAdmin or his proxies could access Moscow (!) airport to plant a bomb on a private plane there. Who would be the culprits, transgender green-hair soyboys from Navy SEALs?

 

[Thomas More]

I actually believe this is a real accident. Putin wouldn’t kill a single innocent bystander and there’s no way GloboHomoBidenAdmin or his proxies could access Moscow (!) airport to plant a bomb on a private plane there. Who would be the culprits, transgender green-hair soyboys from Navy SEALs?

I think Putin is a good guy, but I'm sure he is willing to order targeted killings he considers politically necessary, and I think he is willing to accept collateral damage as well, if needed to achieve his goals. He's certainly willing to accept the killing of a lot of Ukrainians in this war that the west has pushed upon him, and he is accepting the deaths of a lot of Russian soldiers as well. I think a person in power such as Putin is tends to reach the point where they accept that some innocent deaths are unavoidable in order to serve the needs of the state and of the nation.

In this particular case, I can believe he would have this plane shot down if he wanted to target the key Wagner people. The deaths of the pilots and other low level people on the plane would be an unavoidable but necessary price if he chose this action.

 

[Wutang]

Surprised no one on this forum said this was some sort of 4D chess from either Putin or Prigozhin to fake his death or something yet

Eh. They would. And if it's a private plane odds are not everyone there is "innocent" in his eyes

Read someone saying that all of the people on board were people in Wagner leadership positions so looks like whoever sent the plane down got a multi-kill.

 

[analyst_green]

Surprised no one on this forum said this was some sort of 4D chess from either Putin or Prigozhin to fake his death or something yet

Read someone saying that all of the people on board were people in Wagner leadership positions so looks like whoever sent the plane down got a multi-kill.

Everything about this smells fishy.

I wouldn't put it past Putin to do something like this. He has used neurotoxins and radioactive substances for assassinations in public places before and accepted collateral damage. That being said, the most likely thing is it was just an accident like when the Polish president's plane came down in Russia.

 

[Ember]

I wouldn't put it past Putin to do something like this. He has used neurotoxins and radioactive substances for assassinations in public places before and accepted collateral damage.

Which particular events are you thinking of?

 

[Ember]

Prigozhin had just gone to Africa to organize Wagner's activities there. How does his death benefit Russia and Putin? The only victors I see are the Western warmongers.

 

[_Cicero]

^Here's how Putin benefits from this.

Prigozhin criticized the people Putin hand-picked to lead the MoD (Shoigu) and the war (Gerasimov) pointedly for months. He plainly stated publicly that the rationale for the war a lie and there was no point to it-- that alone is a jail-able offense in Russia. And then Prigozhin staged a mutiny in which Wagner soldiers shot down half a dozen aircraft, nearly made it to Moscow, and made Putin look extremely weak for a day.

If you're a dictator, you can't afford to let a mutiny stand. Even if it's from a friend who had other qualities Putin admired, and even if it wasn't really a civil war but rather he was just going to take over the ministry of defense.

 

[DanielH]

^Here's how Putin benefits from this.

Prigozhin criticized the people Putin hand-picked to lead the MoD (Shoigu) and the war (Gerasimov) pointedly for months. He plainly stated publicly that the rationale for the war a lie and there was no point to it-- that alone is a jail-able offense in Russia. And then Prigozhin staged a mutiny in which Wagner soldiers shot down have a dozen aircraft, nearly made it to Moscow, and made Putin look extremely weak for a day.

If you're a dictator, you can't afford to let a mutiny stand. Even if it's from a friend who had other qualities Putin admired, and even if it wasn't really a civil war but rather he was just going to take over the ministry of defense.

This is the Occam's Razor explanation.

You criticize a dictator (or semi-dictator) who is at war, start a half hearted coup, 99 times out of 100 you are going to die. Prigozhin is basically like one of the Jan 6. protestors right now. People who made some serious threats but ultimately it was half measures. You can't un-cross the Rubicon.

Was it Ukraine or a western government? France has a motive. Many countries do. But the single most likely explanation is Russia did it, and even if I was Putin, and I had no involvement, I might just let people think I did it, so we don't get any more coups and generals criticizing my leadership and inner circle.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

I might just let people think I did it, so we don't get any more coups and generals criticizing my leadership and inner circle.

That's not how it works. This actually helps globohomo in every way possible.

You have to understand that there's a split in Russia just like everywhere else, reminiscent of the Russia criticisms in the "escaping the west" threads. There's a multitude of Russians who are very similar to their western counterparts as far as cultural decay. These Russians don't care about anything and by extension they're not going to care about any war with Satanic West.

The people in Russia that matter are the conservatives, patriots, people with self-worth and ideals, the religious, etc. These people need something to rally around and rallying around a president is not good enough. Not only do these people need to feel like the government is on their side, they also need to feel like politics is accessible to them, that they have a voice.

People need public figures, people that represent their ideals, especially in a war so that they can feel that with their support they're playing a contributing role. The only acceptable conclusion to a war is victory and people need to see desire and attempts at it. Can anyone here name someone in the Russian military command they admire right now? Not only are these guys dead but Surovikin is missing in action, Strelkov who played a major role in 2014 Ukraine has been arrested while enjoying a lot of support. All the grassroot commanders of the Donbass uprising have mysteriously been killed.

You can't tell people to "trust the plan", it's extremely patronizing and anyone in power knows better including Trump.

I understand people were worried Prigozhin was a rogue actor but now that he's dead we can let our guard down a bit. The average millionaire cannot just start a PMC and spend time with the boys all day. It takes a special pedigree of a man to do such things, even if he's a psychopath. Killing him just crushes faith in the system. If a man like that can be killed do I even matter at the end of the day?

This is like the United States killing Patton. Looking at the bigger picture of the war with it's many strange events it's honestly a lot worse.