LTR/Marriage master thread. The why, who, when, where and how.

Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
"I’ll likely be moving for a career change this or next year anyway. Probably an expiration date on the LTR."

This...

Most women have finely tuned intuition being the weaker sex they need to adjust to the moods of the men around them - this develops from an early age watching how her mother interacted with her father if together and then with Daddy herself.

If you are thinking that you have a career change coming and keeping it to yourself until its happening which is what I would do with any spinning plates/FBs/FWBs you are likely giving off cues that something may be up and that she is not a part of it. Thus her anxious behaviors.

Also seems you care about her to some extent so whatever you think, if you want to keep her LTR attention sooner or later decide if she is just a spinning plate or a potential partner/baby momma/wife and mother of your future spawn. At 18 to 21 a woman is at her peak SMV and then downhill from there so you have to have a serious conversation with yourself - could you stand or possibly even enjoy waking up next to this woman for the next 40 years - or are you looking forward to this Career Change to hunt in a new field of high SMV Talent. No judging you are a man and whatever you choose is what you choose - If you just want to keep her as a local plate then try to keep your plans about the career move secret... if however you would like to bring her with you and build a life eventually it would be a good idea to clue her in - Career changes and moves are part of the Corporate life so if she is excited to move on this new adventure and she follows your lead she might be a keeper - that said your 75/25 power balance may have her wondering if you are a player or a stayer.

If you want to just keep the LTR going until you move - try to keep your cues to a minimum - if you decided you want to keep her as your daily driver and bring her with - her reaction to your career change news will inform you if she is a keeper or not. If she is excited and supportive of the Career Change move then she may be a useful stress relief valve during and after the move - if not she may just be another stressor. In life you need your woman to follow your lead - if she does good - if she does not... Next.

I personally have done this a few times in my life and if the current LTR at the time an educated woman did not follow my lead (Was living in her Mother's House with her Grown Sister and did not want to leave her hometown) it indicated she would be a lousy Corporate wife (She was a School Teacher and could work anywhere) so after the Career Move I enjoyed the new hunting grounds immensely and looking back I declined a positive career move from NH to NJ because of a LTR that turned out not to be miss right after a multi-year LTR who looking back realized I was a classic case of Blue Pill Oneitis at the peak of my own SMV with plenty of classy corporate options interested in becoming Mrs. Deepdiver at the time. Woulda Coulda Shoulda have taken the move to new hunting grounds in NJ when offered... so always take a career step up and use it as an opportunity to test and see if she will follow your lead...
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
No More Mr. Soy Boy said:
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The reason why that 65-year-old guy look so young and haven't aged is probably cause he didn't spend the last 20 years around a nagging average bitch. Anyway, I rather spend my 40's and 50's on trying to stay young and become super wealthy and eventually have a family with a 10 when I'm 60, than settle for a 6 and start family around age 40. Late 40's could also work.

:laugh:



For everyone living in the real world try to avoid premising your life choices around becoming the male equivalent of Meghan Markle. Most of you mere mortals aren't cut from the same superior cloth as SoyB so you shouldn't expect to be having your wrinkly liver-spot covered doodle sucked by an 18 year old nordic goddess of fertility at age 60+.
 
^^This

One of the thing I can't stand about the manosphere or whatever term you call it, is that guys are just as delusional and unrealistic as the girls they so often complain about.

I used to know a guy who is so damn picky about the girl he would want as a LTR. His game works fine for ONS but he never had a proper LTR before, yet dude wants an 8+ for a LTR, and he also has an insufferable personality, to the point he has no friend and not even on good terms with his family. And yet he thinks an 8+ to spend her life with him... AFAIK he's been frustrated with dating for more than a year now.

Some guys got so deep into this shit they think game is the overarching answers to everything. I posted this on the "lone wolf" threads, but if you want to have a quality woman to spend her life with you, ask yourself first are you even an agreeable person to be around? Do you have long time friends, know how to chill and live happily with people? Forget all about that values and shit, unless you are marrying a 3rd worlder who worship you for fucked up reason (then you gotta question what kind of marriage that is) no one wants to spend their life with some dudes who just can't chill and be cool.
 

BlastbeatCasanova

Kingfisher
FullThrottleTX said:
There is no great answer to your dilemma but I strongly suggest you find it in yourself to take a shot at building a future and a family with this girl if you honestly think you can manage it. You have no idea how rare girls like that are, and they get a fucking shitload rarer when you hit 30+.

Getting married young because you're afraid of not finding someone better when you're older is probably the dumbest mistake you can make as a man. I can attest, I got married at 26. I've certainly had several girlfriends who came close to checking all of my boxes, I still ended it because I wasn't ready.

I'm 36, happily divorced. 28 is usually a big turning point in your life to get better at game and life, don't waste it married. 50 notches isn't a big deal. No married guy I knows is happy, they're all tired, bossed around, bored, and live vicariously through my sexual adventures. The younger the married guy, the more this is true. 45 and getting married to a young thing is not a bad position to be in. You want to be that guy. Fear should never be a motivator for settling down.

There are plenty of good women who cook, are drama free, ect -- I've dated several. Go to church you'll find them. Move to the south, they're around. They're everywhere, but if you're only dating 22 yo tinder thots - of course, they seem rare.

There's no such thing as the "thousand cunt stare"... A man's notch count doesn't reduce his ability to love, it only enhances it because he knows better. Also, ditch your list of qualities. Lists change as you get older and more experienced. The kind of women i woulda settled down with at 26 has no resemblance to what I like today.

Thanks, you make some good points that I have definitely considered.

I should have made it clear that I won't ever "get married." Long term cohabitation/partnership, whatever you want to call it, etc. sure, but I'll never enter into a contract/societal institution/the marriage business ever.

I also don't want to make a decision based on fear/scarcity. It just seems like it might be a pragmatic thing considering the decline of society. I'm still working on it.
 

Checkmat

Pelican
jcardial said:
Checkmat said:
Cleanslate, she is VERY insecure. She is only 21, I started dating her when she was 20 (I’m 30). I am her first love and first romantic relationship. She’s been pumped and dumped a few times in the past.

She knows that she loves me more than I love her. The power dynamic is about 75/25. She also gets jealous if I get a text from a female friend or don’t give her enough attention. She is pretty needy, and I wonder if she will mature more as she ages. I don’t know.

I’ll likely be moving for a career change this or next year anyway. Probably an expiration date on the LTR.

In the mean time, I don’t want to get cucked or cheated on. This co-worker thing is a red flag to me but Im trying to figure out if I should be as angry as I was, in that moment.

This strongly confirms my suspicion that her drama bomb likely came from a place of insecurity and a feeling of being unwanted. This is why I took issue with Soyboy's theory that it is just her promiscuous nature that should be silently ignored and recorded in your diary. It sounds like there were clear warning signs that she needed more reassurance and comfort in the relationship.

It's easy to sit back and let the power chips stack in front of you when someone is really in love with you, but if you let things become too polarized the anxiety and fear will become intolerable over time and she will act out immaturely or start looking for a new guy. Your slow drip dread game (being too aloof and letting her find out about texts from other girls etc) was apparently seen and raised with "I might let Chad from the office take me out if you don't do more to make me feel secure" dread game. It doesn't sound like her read on the relationship is too far off if you're planning an exit in the near future.

Update on this situation.

I knew that the "chad at work" thing was something to keep an eye on. I knew that if she kept bringing him up, something might be afoot.

A few days after my post, she brought up how the guys at work are getting more direct when they hit on her, and she gave me a couple of examples. I took it in stride but then she mentioned that the one dude from the lantern festival situation was following her on snapchat. I paused and said, "you gave him your sc?" and she said no, she did not, but one of her co-workers must have given it to him. My bullshit alarm is going off like crazy. She also mentions that he has asked her multiple times to come work out with him at his gym, but that she has told him no, I have a boyfriend.

Also around this time, she starts telling me on multiple occasions that she is going to switch gyms, from her current gym to LA Fitness. Im wondering why all of a sudden but whatever, didnt think about it too much. I asked her if she knew anyone that works out at LA Fitness and she said no.

So then more time goes by, and we go on a trip while she is out of school for spring break. I take this opportunity to search her phone, and I find that this dude is friends with her on snapchat and they last communicated over the app 6 days prior. Everything is deleted, as is natural for the app. Then I looked in her phone contacts list and I see his name. I search for a text convo but there is nothing.

We end up arguing a couple of times on the trip for unrelated reasons. Mostly her being immature and not getting her way. Acting like a spoiled child. Outside of these fights were are cloud 9 with each other. Nonstop compliments from her on my looks, how hot I am, how other girls must check me out all the time. Her hands are all over me, jerking me off while I drive or sucking me off all the time, everywhere. *This was not new behavior, she is and always has been like this with me*. We both comment on how the trip flew by, and she is sad that she has to go home and wants to stay longer.

The day after the trip we are texting like normal and she sends me like 3 paragraphs about how the guy at work was talking to her, bragging about his sexual skills, and how he is dating multiple girls and she thinks he is an asshole. He asks her how I, her boyfriend, am in bed. She tells him that she wont discuss that but she is still with me so there is her answer. He asks how her break was, she tells him about our trip and how she put on some weight while on the trip. Then the guy tells her well obviously its because you just eat and fuck. Then he got angry and walked away from her.

After she tells me all of this, my alarm bells are going off like crazy. She is obviously very invested or interested in this guy for him to occupy all this real estate in her mind, and to talk about him so much. I call her on the phone and after some debriefing about their convo, I ask her straight up: did you ever give him your phone number? She immediately says no, and I tell her that I saw his name in her contact list. She says no, I must be mistaken because she doesnt have his number. I tell her to let me know when she is ready to be honest and hang up the phone.

She calls me back 3 min later and says ah you know what, I DID exchange numbers with him, back around the time of the lantern festival. I ask her, ok so a dude you work with who hits on you and wants to fuck you, you gave him your phone number and snapchat. She gets defensive and says well you have added girls on your facebook, what is the difference. She says she only gave him her number because he offered to pick up lunch while they were at work. I ask why she deleted the convo then, and she says "I deleted it bc it wasnt important"

To add context, when I first starting dating her 9 months ago I laid down some groundrules for the relationship. One of them was: if you are my girlfriend, you will not give out your number to guys who are trying to fuck you.

So I remind her of that, and the fact that not only did she blatantly cross that boundary, but she boldly lied right to me about it.

Instantly dumped her and advised my family. I doubt I'll ever get all of the real details and info about what has been going on with her and this dude at work, but the fact that she crossed my boundary that she knew was wrong and also tried to hide it and lie about it, means that there is nothing left here for me to pursue with her. All trust is gone.

I dropped off all of her stuff from my house at UPS today to send back to her.

Yesterday she blew up my phone offering to quit her job, apologizing profusely, literally begging for me not to leave her. But Im good. She broke the boundary and lied about it. 2 strikes and youre out!

As I digest all of this and try to move on (hinge date set for friday for a potential SIF), what Im trying to reconcile is how ultra in-love she has been with me, how the affection, sex and interest level in me was 100/100 and yet she still sabotaged the whole relationship over some dude at work that she likes. There were no red flags aside from the amount talking she did about this guy from work. It seemed that her love for me never faltered but she wanted some side dick too maybe, idk.

Like jcardial said, a lot of it may have been from the dread levels and knowledge that I may be moving away soon and that I wont be around. It's possible that was a factor, but how much of it is just her being a ho? In 9 months I never directly saw her flirt with another guy but she had tons of orbiters on snapchat sending her thirsty shit.

Then there is the possibility that she has been 100% innocent about the whole thing, but that still doesn't change the face that she broke one of my rules and also lied to me about it. That's enough, even if she didnt suck his dick or hang out with him or anything (which I'll never know), the fact that she lied about another guy is enough for me to leave.

It's been a jarring couple of days. Literally Friday night we are in love and happy and by Saturday night we are done.
 

CleanSlate

Hummingbird
Gold Member
You made the right call.

And no it wasn’t the dread game you were running on her. She just wanted to have her cake and eat it, too.

She would have cheated on you had you stayed with her (if she didn’t already have).
 
Here are my humble and random thoughts about reading that and just what I think.

Knowing it was one of your ground rules for being in a relationship, she wasn't just all apologetic about it and did everything to reassure you that this wasn't a big deal, there was nothing between them. Instead, she had the courage to flip it over and accused you of some girls that were added on your Facebook (which we know is a slightly different platform than text/Snapchat)?
There is something very disrespectful about that and it shows that she's not mature enough for a relationship if she also couldn't see the seriousness of the situation that she wasn't being completely upfront about it. Maybe you teached her a little lesson (probably not though).

Considering that there were so many things that were fishy about this, I think you definitly made the right choice. From the festival she wanted to attend with the guy, the way she told you about it, him not just having her Snapchat but having conversations with her that she doesn't tell you about, he has her number, how she accused you, is lying and not being honest. And she called him "asshole", very bad sign too.
Loyalty is fundamental and someone like her can't be trusted.

I also don't think it was your dread game that suddenly turned her from a housewife into a sudden hoe who gives her number/Snapchat out to a guy and lies about it. Was there a redflag that could have told you to get rid of her sooner it was that app.
Snapchat is so completely dull that I would consider it a dealbreaker if a girl was active on there, would you really want the mother of your children to spend her days on that stupid shit?
 

Checkmat

Pelican
CleanSlate said:
You made the right call.

And no it wasn’t the dread game you were running on her. She just wanted to have her cake and eat it, too.

She would have cheated on you had you stayed with her (if she didn’t already have).

Thanks man. I think that's just what it comes down to. I wanted to believe it was the passive dread that I was running, because that made me feel better. "oh its not that she is a ho, Im just being too alpha!" :laugh:

No More Mr. Soy Boy said:
I also don't think it was your dread game that suddenly turned her from a housewife into a sudden hoe who gives her number/Snapchat out to a guy and lies about it. Was there a redflag that could have told you to get rid of her sooner it was that app.
Snapchat is so completely dull that I would consider it a dealbreaker if a girl was active on there, would you really want the mother of your children to spend her days on that stupid shit?

This bothered me from the jump. A girl that has tons of orbiters on Snapchat, an app that literally is designed to hide your conversations and let anything happen...I remember when she told me "you should get snapchat, its way easier for us to send dirty pics to each other that way" and I thought, jesus how many dudes has this girl sent nudes to on Snapchat...

RatInTheWoods said:
If the sex is good, just demote to plate and keep banging - see how sorry she is.

But you are correct, you can not trust her.

Unable, my emotions are way too invested. I was deeply in love with this girl and am struggling to keep it together. Better to cut her loose. My career move looks like it'll happen towards the end of this year anyway and I'll be out of her geographic area indefinitely.

Which makes me wonder how insane it would have been if I never found this info out about her, and went off on my 4 months+ of job training across the country. How long would she have lasted before succombing to utter whoredome? How much stress would those thoughts have put on me while I should be focusing on my new job? Ungh, horrible.

Thanks to everyone for their insight. I knew and now further know that I made the right decision. The next few weeks will be tough but I'll get over her eventually.
 

CleanSlate

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Checkmat said:
Thanks man. I think that's just what it comes down to. I wanted to believe it was the passive dread that I was running, because that made me feel better. "oh its not that she is a ho, Im just being too alpha!" :laugh:

Props to you for letting go of your ego to even admit this. +1 from me

Seeing that you're in the U.S., I'm not sure if it's even possible to run passive dread on American girls unless you're in the top 0.1% (and even then they can take men down from the 0.1% in this metoo era).
 

jcardial

Woodpecker
Checkmat said:
CleanSlate said:
You made the right call.

And no it wasn’t the dread game you were running on her. She just wanted to have her cake and eat it, too.

She would have cheated on you had you stayed with her (if she didn’t already have).

Thanks man. I think that's just what it comes down to. I wanted to believe it was the passive dread that I was running, because that made me feel better. "oh its not that she is a ho, Im just being too alpha!" :laugh:

No More Mr. Soy Boy said:
I also don't think it was your dread game that suddenly turned her from a housewife into a sudden hoe who gives her number/Snapchat out to a guy and lies about it. Was there a redflag that could have told you to get rid of her sooner it was that app.
Snapchat is so completely dull that I would consider it a dealbreaker if a girl was active on there, would you really want the mother of your children to spend her days on that stupid shit?

This bothered me from the jump. A girl that has tons of orbiters on Snapchat, an app that literally is designed to hide your conversations and let anything happen...I remember when she told me "you should get snapchat, its way easier for us to send dirty pics to each other that way" and I thought, jesus how many dudes has this girl sent nudes to on Snapchat...

RatInTheWoods said:
If the sex is good, just demote to plate and keep banging - see how sorry she is.

But you are correct, you can not trust her.

Unable, my emotions are way too invested. I was deeply in love with this girl and am struggling to keep it together. Better to cut her loose. My career move looks like it'll happen towards the end of this year anyway and I'll be out of her geographic area indefinitely.

Which makes me wonder how insane it would have been if I never found this info out about her, and went off on my 4 months+ of job training across the country. How long would she have lasted before succombing to utter whoredome? How much stress would those thoughts have put on me while I should be focusing on my new job? Ungh, horrible.

Thanks to everyone for their insight. I knew and now further know that I made the right decision. The next few weeks will be tough but I'll get over her eventually.

This girl is clearly very low self esteem given her past relationships, and to be fair it sounds like you haven't done much at all to build it back up. Some guys would advise not getting involved with a damaged girl at all, but I think most young girls are insecure to some degree and not addressing a small problem can snowball into a big one in a long term relationship. You mentioned her showering you with compliments on the trip but there was no mention of you reciprocating (physically doesn't count for much). She desperately wants you to give her similar signs of interest and verbal reassurance and I suspect you're still playing it cool. She clearly needs more than a couple scraps of emotion from your end if you've been together a year, especially if she is as insecure as you describe.

Mentioning the guy at work every time he talks to her is probably largely because she consciously wants everything out in the open, but subconsciously she enjoys mentioning it to you because it is empirical evidence that she's a desirable woman. It's another reason low self esteem girls like the constant validation from social media. That said, snapchat is one of the more lowly forms of this and I agree it is fairly obnoxious. I guess to her defense she's young and it's not out of the ordinary for millennials to punt facebook now that all of their geezer parents are on it.

It's hard to fairly evaluate this situation without knowing how much reassurance you have given her since her original outburst. It's unfortunate that she deleted the conversation with office Chad, because there's a decent chance it wasn't that bad and she deleted it because of how angry you got the first time she brought him up.

I'm still fairly convinced this relationship just naturally became way too polarized towards her showing and needing emotion and affection and you in a shell because you knew in the back of your mind you would leave her eventually. You said you were in love with her, but did you express it with any kind of frequency? These types of girls need concrete emotional investment to not feel anxious they are yet again getting pumped and dumped.
 

MaceTyrell

Pelican
jcardial said:
Checkmat said:
CleanSlate said:
You made the right call.

And no it wasn’t the dread game you were running on her. She just wanted to have her cake and eat it, too.

She would have cheated on you had you stayed with her (if she didn’t already have).

Thanks man. I think that's just what it comes down to. I wanted to believe it was the passive dread that I was running, because that made me feel better. "oh its not that she is a ho, Im just being too alpha!" :laugh:

No More Mr. Soy Boy said:
I also don't think it was your dread game that suddenly turned her from a housewife into a sudden hoe who gives her number/Snapchat out to a guy and lies about it. Was there a redflag that could have told you to get rid of her sooner it was that app.
Snapchat is so completely dull that I would consider it a dealbreaker if a girl was active on there, would you really want the mother of your children to spend her days on that stupid shit?

This bothered me from the jump. A girl that has tons of orbiters on Snapchat, an app that literally is designed to hide your conversations and let anything happen...I remember when she told me "you should get snapchat, its way easier for us to send dirty pics to each other that way" and I thought, jesus how many dudes has this girl sent nudes to on Snapchat...

RatInTheWoods said:
If the sex is good, just demote to plate and keep banging - see how sorry she is.

But you are correct, you can not trust her.

Unable, my emotions are way too invested. I was deeply in love with this girl and am struggling to keep it together. Better to cut her loose. My career move looks like it'll happen towards the end of this year anyway and I'll be out of her geographic area indefinitely.

Which makes me wonder how insane it would have been if I never found this info out about her, and went off on my 4 months+ of job training across the country. How long would she have lasted before succombing to utter whoredome? How much stress would those thoughts have put on me while I should be focusing on my new job? Ungh, horrible.

Thanks to everyone for their insight. I knew and now further know that I made the right decision. The next few weeks will be tough but I'll get over her eventually.

This girl is clearly very low self esteem given her past relationships, and to be fair it sounds like you haven't done much at all to build it back up. Some guys would advise not getting involved with a damaged girl at all, but I think most young girls are insecure to some degree and not addressing a small problem can snowball into a big one in a long term relationship. You mentioned her showering you with compliments on the trip but there was no mention of you reciprocating (physically doesn't count for much). She desperately wants you to give her similar signs of interest and verbal reassurance and I suspect you're still playing it cool. She clearly needs more than a couple scraps of emotion from your end if you've been together a year, especially if she is as insecure as you describe.

Mentioning the guy at work every time he talks to her is probably largely because she consciously wants everything out in the open, but subconsciously she enjoys mentioning it to you because it is empirical evidence that she's a desirable woman. It's another reason low self esteem girls like the constant validation from social media. That said, snapchat is one of the more lowly forms of this and I agree it is fairly obnoxious. I guess to her defense she's young and it's not out of the ordinary for millennials to punt facebook now that all of their geezer parents are on it.

It's hard to fairly evaluate this situation without knowing how much reassurance you have given her since her original outburst. It's unfortunate that she deleted the conversation with office Chad, because there's a decent chance it wasn't that bad and she deleted it because of how angry you got the first time she brought him up.

I'm still fairly convinced this relationship just naturally became way too polarized towards her showing and needing emotion and affection and you in a shell because you knew in the back of your mind you would leave her eventually. You said you were in love with her, but did you express it with any kind of frequency? These types of girls need concrete emotional investment to not feel anxious they are yet again getting pumped and dumped.

Wow. This is great.
 
PapayaTapper said:
Reposting this here as the original thread got lost in the reorganization.

PapayaTapper said:
One quality I think is essential for any girl to have as a LTR candidate is what I call "the happy gene". Is her natural equilibrium an upbeat / happy /laughs easily kind of demeanor ? Or is she prone to states of moroseness/crabbiness or acerbity that needs to be actively entertained/stimulated into being "happy"?

Before I knew better I exhausted a lot of time, money and energy on "sourpussy" because they were hot. I spent 5 years and I dont know how much money on one because she was smoking (tall blond bikini/ lingerie model) before I had enough and pulled the plug

If a girl doesn't have that "happy gene"...she's not long for my world anymore. If there was only piece of advice I could give a guy thinking about wifeing up,,,make sure she has that quality

Shout out to Built To Fade for steering me to the archived thread

I noticed this quality as well and what a tremendous difference it makes, but thanks to you I now have a name for it.
 
"I think that's just what it comes down to. I wanted to believe it was the passive dread that I was running, because that made me feel better. "oh its not that she is a ho, Im just being too alpha!""

"Seeing that you're in the U.S., I'm not sure if it's even possible to run passive dread on American girls"

This concept of "passive dread" has ruined a few relationships for me. I've also heard it described as "toxic passivity" on other mindset/lifestyle/coaching sites which seems like a much better term. At some point in my last LTR I got lazy, assumed I had enough investment from her and started ignoring shit tests and treating them like a fly buzzing in the room. "Oh she's just being silly and trying to rope me in with ho drama, I'll do the stoic stare into the distance until she stops". Also stopped taking self interested action both within my life and the relationship and went into a "freewheeling" phase. Anyone can see where passivity and ignoring the shift in value shit tests from "does he have value?" to "does he value me?" leads, and that's tingle loss and relationship loss soon after.
 

randomA

Robin
what is this place's definition of 'passive dread' I am reading about in this thread?
is there truly any hope for men in 2019 without having to rely on mind games and this kind of scheming?
must one always put a mask on when in a relationship? is there absolutely any scenario where one can just relax and "be hisself®"?

probably all rhetorical questions, but some that create a lot of frustration!
 
randomA said:
what is this place's definition of 'passive dread' I am reading about in this thread?
is there truly any hope for men in 2019 without having to rely on mind games and this kind of scheming?
must one always put a mask on when in a relationship? is there absolutely any scenario where one can just relax and "be hisself®"?

probably all rhetorical questions, but some that create a lot of frustration!

I'll try and describe passive dread with an example.
Your girlfriend walks out of the closet in a new dress before you two leave to go out for the night. She does a twirl and asks what you think.
Standard: You're beautiful.
I-Want-Him-To-Marry-Me-Game: You'll always be more attractive than me.
Passive dread: Grunt and ignore. If she presses you on it, say "it's okay".
Active dread: That dress would look good on [her friend]

Passive dread is what corrodes an LTR. You can play the stoic gray man in the beginning but as time goes on she's going to need one or two reassurances of her value.

As to your comment about wearing a mask, that belongs with surface level comments like "Mystery relied on feather boas" and "CH was a troll with a bum office job". There's much to learn in this world, and at some point you make a choice between learning routines and lines or examining how your mindset affects who you are and how you interact with the world.
 

How To Maintain Genuine Desire From Your Woman in a LTR/Marriage​

From the comments:
"Rollo hit a grand slam from 49:00-58:07. That's the best 9 minutes of cold hard truth ever spoken. That definitely needs to go on your clips channel. That's why rollo is the godfather. I never get tired of listening to him."

 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator

How To Maintain Genuine Desire From Your Woman in a LTR/Marriage​

From the comments:
"Rollo hit a grand slam from 49:00-58:07. That's the best 9 minutes of cold hard truth ever spoken. That definitely needs to go on your clips channel. That's why rollo is the godfather. I never get tired of listening to him."

I don't think Rollo & company are the best people for us to listen to anymore. There might be some nuggets of information in there about how to stop being a beta male. However it's buried under love of fornication and is targeted for men pursuing faithless girls.
 
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