LTR Trouble with Ukrainian woman

Ice

Woodpecker
Ice said:
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
It's absolutely ridiculous for an established man 10 years senior to be pushing the mother of your child to be working a menial job as an illegal in a foreign country while pregnant. Have you no shame?

Oftentimes people are bashing girls for their behaviour, but look at these guys like the OP. Complete losers. They go to foreign countries because they want a hot younger girl, but they themselves are too broke to even be able to support a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't speak the language and is not legally allowed to work. Completely ridiculous.

But let's face the facts, these people like the OP are then majority of the people reading online forums about travel to foreign countries for girls. No wonder that locals start to dislike people from the West if the majority coming are the losers.

And I want to add something to that. I often see threads about how "the White God Factor" is disappearing in foreign countries. And they blame it on Instagram and other social media. But is this development really surprising if you hear stories like the one from OP? Could it be that it's not social media, but low quality guys coming from the West?

I'm sure when OP was in Ukraine he acted entitled like he's the shit, and some locals believe the act. But then this girl experiences the truth when she's in the OP's country. Of course she will tell her friends and her parents about it. If this happens to a few people, word spreads. I can imagine many locals increasingly start seeing foreigners from the West as frauds, liars and straight up losers.

Also the question one should ask is: Why do people expect having a "White God Factor" in foreign countries, when objectively they're simply under-achievers? Of course I can understand that everyone enjoys being treated like royalty, but people also need to be honest with themselves and ask themselves if they have the traits, lifestyle, and career that would warrant such treatment.
 

Jeptomf

Sparrow
White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.
 

mehdreamer

Sparrow
A lot of Western guys want it all : Finding a young female from a traditional and conservative background and at the same time, wanting her to be financially independent and sharing expenses for everything.

It's a trade-off and you gotta chose. I personally do not mind paying and taking care of a woman financially, as long as she accept that I will be the one calling the shots for everything.

She give me submission and youth and I will gave her financial security and protection.
 

mehdreamer

Sparrow
Jeptomf said:
White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.

In Ukraine and Russia, the Western god factor is slowly disappearing.
Even in Thailand, Old fat white dudes and not getting top tier girls anymore.
I was in Thailand for 3 months this year...hot Thai chicks were always with White Chads.
 

Tony34

Chicken
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I wish i had trusted this thread
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54046.html

In spring i went to finally meet in person a 26 year old chick in ukraine (im less than 10 years older), who lived in a pretty small city. I know women there expect the man to pay all, so before my first travel i tested her about how in europe its normal to split expenses, many times she told me how she understood this, like "yeah i know this, no problem" without any further discussion.

Fastforward about 6-7 months after. She lives with me in my country. Leaves friends and family behind to be with me.

Treats me like a king, supports me in everything, respects my hobbies and likes my friends. Everyone likes her.

However, she puts the minimum effort to learn spanish or find a job.

Her excuses for not working:

- "Im waiting to be legal", while theres thousands of illegals working here for years.

- "I dont speak the language", she doesnt speak spanish, but neither do hundreds of english speaking families in my area.

- And now the final surprise, an unexpected pregnancy. Afraid to work while pregnant because of the baby's health. We go to doctor and doctor says its OK, so now she just has the typical pregnancy symptoms like fatigue.

I had to bring up a few times how here we share expenses and how i dont want to pay her all, she was shocked and even cried but then she said she understood that its a cultural difference and how she wanted to work as soon as possible and contribute to the family economy, bla bla. But days keep passing and i dont see any changes.

She is in comfort zone. I cannot afford to pay for 3 people myself alone (not even two for a long period). I thought i could help her start from scratch but she is not showing me any signs of willing to progress. A normal day is her sleeping or being with phone, then its just cooking or having a walk together.

So i have about 2 weeks left before we cannot do an abortion anymore and im starting to consider doing it and end the relationship.

Shes been here for 4 months and has only worked 1 week taking care of some kids. I found her that job because she doesnt even try putting advertising on facebook groups, i have to search for her.

She is the most innocent girl ive been with, good heart, no slutty photos, good family relationship, even goes to church, all is fine by her, never complains... But she is lazy and has low initiative.

Am i too demanding? Any questions?

Short version:
I met a girl from ukraine, caring, good heart
Moved with me 4 months ago
Shows little to none effort (my opinion) to find job or study local language
She is pregnant and im thinking of abortion and ending ltr for the reason above
Oh, welcome to Ukraine:))
 

Cavalier

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
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I wish i had trusted this thread
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54046.html

In spring i went to finally meet in person a 26 year old chick in ukraine (im less than 10 years older), who lived in a pretty small city. I know women there expect the man to pay all, so before my first travel i tested her about how in europe its normal to split expenses, many times she told me how she understood this, like "yeah i know this, no problem" without any further discussion.

Fastforward about 6-7 months after. She lives with me in my country. Leaves friends and family behind to be with me.

Treats me like a king, supports me in everything, respects my hobbies and likes my friends. Everyone likes her.

However, she puts the minimum effort to learn spanish or find a job.

Her excuses for not working:

- "Im waiting to be legal", while theres thousands of illegals working here for years.

- "I dont speak the language", she doesnt speak spanish, but neither do hundreds of english speaking families in my area.

- And now the final surprise, an unexpected pregnancy. Afraid to work while pregnant because of the baby's health. We go to doctor and doctor says its OK, so now she just has the typical pregnancy symptoms like fatigue.

I had to bring up a few times how here we share expenses and how i dont want to pay her all, she was shocked and even cried but then she said she understood that its a cultural difference and how she wanted to work as soon as possible and contribute to the family economy, bla bla. But days keep passing and i dont see any changes.

She is in comfort zone. I cannot afford to pay for 3 people myself alone (not even two for a long period). I thought i could help her start from scratch but she is not showing me any signs of willing to progress. A normal day is her sleeping or being with phone, then its just cooking or having a walk together.

So i have about 2 weeks left before we cannot do an abortion anymore and im starting to consider doing it and end the relationship.

Shes been here for 4 months and has only worked 1 week taking care of some kids. I found her that job because she doesnt even try putting advertising on facebook groups, i have to search for her.

She is the most innocent girl ive been with, good heart, no slutty photos, good family relationship, even goes to church, all is fine by her, never complains... But she is lazy and has low initiative.

Am i too demanding? Any questions?

Short version:
I met a girl from ukraine, caring, good heart
Moved with me 4 months ago
Shows little to none effort (my opinion) to find job or study local language
She is pregnant and im thinking of abortion and ending ltr for the reason above
If you want a good traditional wife, why would you want her to work? Being part of the work force has utterly ruined Western women and as a consequence our society. I hope you didn’t abort the child for convenience sake. If so may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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