LTR Trouble with Ukrainian woman

Ice

Woodpecker
Ice said:
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
It's absolutely ridiculous for an established man 10 years senior to be pushing the mother of your child to be working a menial job as an illegal in a foreign country while pregnant. Have you no shame?

Oftentimes people are bashing girls for their behaviour, but look at these guys like the OP. Complete losers. They go to foreign countries because they want a hot younger girl, but they themselves are too broke to even be able to support a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't speak the language and is not legally allowed to work. Completely ridiculous.

But let's face the facts, these people like the OP are then majority of the people reading online forums about travel to foreign countries for girls. No wonder that locals start to dislike people from the West if the majority coming are the losers.

And I want to add something to that. I often see threads about how "the White God Factor" is disappearing in foreign countries. And they blame it on Instagram and other social media. But is this development really surprising if you hear stories like the one from OP? Could it be that it's not social media, but low quality guys coming from the West?

I'm sure when OP was in Ukraine he acted entitled like he's the shit, and some locals believe the act. But then this girl experiences the truth when she's in the OP's country. Of course she will tell her friends and her parents about it. If this happens to a few people, word spreads. I can imagine many locals increasingly start seeing foreigners from the West as frauds, liars and straight up losers.

Also the question one should ask is: Why do people expect having a "White God Factor" in foreign countries, when objectively they're simply under-achievers? Of course I can understand that everyone enjoys being treated like royalty, but people also need to be honest with themselves and ask themselves if they have the traits, lifestyle, and career that would warrant such treatment.
 

Jeptomf

Sparrow
White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.
 

mehdreamer

Sparrow
A lot of Western guys want it all : Finding a young female from a traditional and conservative background and at the same time, wanting her to be financially independent and sharing expenses for everything.

It's a trade-off and you gotta chose. I personally do not mind paying and taking care of a woman financially, as long as she accept that I will be the one calling the shots for everything.

She give me submission and youth and I will gave her financial security and protection.
 

mehdreamer

Sparrow
Jeptomf said:
White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.

In Ukraine and Russia, the Western god factor is slowly disappearing.
Even in Thailand, Old fat white dudes and not getting top tier girls anymore.
I was in Thailand for 3 months this year...hot Thai chicks were always with White Chads.
 

Tony34

Chicken
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I wish i had trusted this thread
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54046.html

In spring i went to finally meet in person a 26 year old chick in ukraine (im less than 10 years older), who lived in a pretty small city. I know women there expect the man to pay all, so before my first travel i tested her about how in europe its normal to split expenses, many times she told me how she understood this, like "yeah i know this, no problem" without any further discussion.

Fastforward about 6-7 months after. She lives with me in my country. Leaves friends and family behind to be with me.

Treats me like a king, supports me in everything, respects my hobbies and likes my friends. Everyone likes her.

However, she puts the minimum effort to learn spanish or find a job.

Her excuses for not working:

- "Im waiting to be legal", while theres thousands of illegals working here for years.

- "I dont speak the language", she doesnt speak spanish, but neither do hundreds of english speaking families in my area.

- And now the final surprise, an unexpected pregnancy. Afraid to work while pregnant because of the baby's health. We go to doctor and doctor says its OK, so now she just has the typical pregnancy symptoms like fatigue.

I had to bring up a few times how here we share expenses and how i dont want to pay her all, she was shocked and even cried but then she said she understood that its a cultural difference and how she wanted to work as soon as possible and contribute to the family economy, bla bla. But days keep passing and i dont see any changes.

She is in comfort zone. I cannot afford to pay for 3 people myself alone (not even two for a long period). I thought i could help her start from scratch but she is not showing me any signs of willing to progress. A normal day is her sleeping or being with phone, then its just cooking or having a walk together.

So i have about 2 weeks left before we cannot do an abortion anymore and im starting to consider doing it and end the relationship.

Shes been here for 4 months and has only worked 1 week taking care of some kids. I found her that job because she doesnt even try putting advertising on facebook groups, i have to search for her.

She is the most innocent girl ive been with, good heart, no slutty photos, good family relationship, even goes to church, all is fine by her, never complains... But she is lazy and has low initiative.

Am i too demanding? Any questions?

Short version:
I met a girl from ukraine, caring, good heart
Moved with me 4 months ago
Shows little to none effort (my opinion) to find job or study local language
She is pregnant and im thinking of abortion and ending ltr for the reason above
Oh, welcome to Ukraine:))
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
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I wish i had trusted this thread
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54046.html

In spring i went to finally meet in person a 26 year old chick in ukraine (im less than 10 years older), who lived in a pretty small city. I know women there expect the man to pay all, so before my first travel i tested her about how in europe its normal to split expenses, many times she told me how she understood this, like "yeah i know this, no problem" without any further discussion.

Fastforward about 6-7 months after. She lives with me in my country. Leaves friends and family behind to be with me.

Treats me like a king, supports me in everything, respects my hobbies and likes my friends. Everyone likes her.

However, she puts the minimum effort to learn spanish or find a job.

Her excuses for not working:

- "Im waiting to be legal", while theres thousands of illegals working here for years.

- "I dont speak the language", she doesnt speak spanish, but neither do hundreds of english speaking families in my area.

- And now the final surprise, an unexpected pregnancy. Afraid to work while pregnant because of the baby's health. We go to doctor and doctor says its OK, so now she just has the typical pregnancy symptoms like fatigue.

I had to bring up a few times how here we share expenses and how i dont want to pay her all, she was shocked and even cried but then she said she understood that its a cultural difference and how she wanted to work as soon as possible and contribute to the family economy, bla bla. But days keep passing and i dont see any changes.

She is in comfort zone. I cannot afford to pay for 3 people myself alone (not even two for a long period). I thought i could help her start from scratch but she is not showing me any signs of willing to progress. A normal day is her sleeping or being with phone, then its just cooking or having a walk together.

So i have about 2 weeks left before we cannot do an abortion anymore and im starting to consider doing it and end the relationship.

Shes been here for 4 months and has only worked 1 week taking care of some kids. I found her that job because she doesnt even try putting advertising on facebook groups, i have to search for her.

She is the most innocent girl ive been with, good heart, no slutty photos, good family relationship, even goes to church, all is fine by her, never complains... But she is lazy and has low initiative.

Am i too demanding? Any questions?

Short version:
I met a girl from ukraine, caring, good heart
Moved with me 4 months ago
Shows little to none effort (my opinion) to find job or study local language
She is pregnant and im thinking of abortion and ending ltr for the reason above
If you want a good traditional wife, why would you want her to work? Being part of the work force has utterly ruined Western women and as a consequence our society. I hope you didn’t abort the child for convenience sake. If so may God have mercy on your soul.
 

The Penitent Man

Pelican
Protestant
I’m seeing a pattern with this woman thing . . .
 

bucky

Hummingbird
Other Christian
As a younger and much more naive man I had some experience with Ukrainian women, so this part really made me chuckle:
And there is an inherent contradictory and infernal logic working around the clock in every Ukrainian woman’s head...

Premise A) I love Ukraine.

Premise B) Please, God, don’t send me back there.
So true. My wife is from one of the most violent and backwards parts of Latin America, but at least she'll admit that it's a hellhole and she doesn't miss much about it aside from her family and the warmer weather.
 

AHaytch

 
Banned
Non-Christian
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I wish i had trusted this thread
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54046.html

In spring i went to finally meet in person a 26 year old chick in ukraine (im less than 10 years older), who lived in a pretty small city. I know women there expect the man to pay all, so before my first travel i tested her about how in europe its normal to split expenses, many times she told me how she understood this, like "yeah i know this, no problem" without any further discussion.

Fastforward about 6-7 months after. She lives with me in my country. Leaves friends and family behind to be with me.

Treats me like a king, supports me in everything, respects my hobbies and likes my friends. Everyone likes her.

However, she puts the minimum effort to learn spanish or find a job.

Her excuses for not working:

- "Im waiting to be legal", while theres thousands of illegals working here for years.

- "I dont speak the language", she doesnt speak spanish, but neither do hundreds of english speaking families in my area.

- And now the final surprise, an unexpected pregnancy. Afraid to work while pregnant because of the baby's health. We go to doctor and doctor says its OK, so now she just has the typical pregnancy symptoms like fatigue.

I had to bring up a few times how here we share expenses and how i dont want to pay her all, she was shocked and even cried but then she said she understood that its a cultural difference and how she wanted to work as soon as possible and contribute to the family economy, bla bla. But days keep passing and i dont see any changes.

She is in comfort zone. I cannot afford to pay for 3 people myself alone (not even two for a long period). I thought i could help her start from scratch but she is not showing me any signs of willing to progress. A normal day is her sleeping or being with phone, then its just cooking or having a walk together.

So i have about 2 weeks left before we cannot do an abortion anymore and im starting to consider doing it and end the relationship.

Shes been here for 4 months and has only worked 1 week taking care of some kids. I found her that job because she doesnt even try putting advertising on facebook groups, i have to search for her.

She is the most innocent girl ive been with, good heart, no slutty photos, good family relationship, even goes to church, all is fine by her, never complains... But she is lazy and has low initiative.

Am i too demanding? Any questions?

Short version:
I met a girl from ukraine, caring, good heart
Moved with me 4 months ago
Shows little to none effort (my opinion) to find job or study local language
She is pregnant and im thinking of abortion and ending ltr for the reason above

You come across very immature, if you don't mind me saying. At the moment your wife requires a man, she receives instead a feminine liberal brainwashed individual. This insistence on paying halves all the time is the unbecoming of you in her moment of need. You took her out of her nest, her country and culture, impregnated her and now don't have a clue what to do with the consequences when the reality of being a man and assuming your responsibilities hits you. Another way of saying: you liked the idea of coupling up with a traditional submissive woman but not the mantle you will have to assume as a man in doing so.

I actually feel contempt for you, and I don't like to write that.
 

nathan

Robin
Catholic
What is the thinking on looking to Ukraine for a wife? I set some of my dating profiles to Ukraine to see what would happen, not expecting much, but the apparent quality is so much greater than American/western women that I am wondering now if it is actually a viable strategy.

They all seem more Christian, more traditional, more pleasant to talk with, younger, thinner, significantly more attractive, they actually care about their presentation, they don't ghost or quit replying, they're homophobic, etc. It's really like everything you'd want in a wife vs the typical American woman on the apps has like no qualities you'd want in a wife.

Also, I'm in my 30s and I'm not sure if getting an American wife in her early 20's is realistically in the cards. I know people on the internet claim it happens but frankly I don't see it in real life like at all. There are age gaps but it's moreso like a 50m-30f or 60m-42f type of thing.
 
What is the thinking on looking to Ukraine for a wife? I set some of my dating profiles to Ukraine to see what would happen, not expecting much, but the apparent quality is so much greater than American/western women that I am wondering now if it is actually a viable strategy.

They all seem more Christian, more traditional, more pleasant to talk with, younger, thinner, significantly more attractive, they actually care about their presentation, they don't ghost or quit replying, they're homophobic, etc. It's really like everything you'd want in a wife vs the typical American woman on the apps has like no qualities you'd want in a wife.

Also, I'm in my 30s and I'm not sure if getting an American wife in her early 20's is realistically in the cards. I know people on the internet claim it happens but frankly I don't see it in real life like at all. There are age gaps but it's moreso like a 50m-30f or 60m-42f type of thing.


You want to try to find a wife in the middle of a warzone?
 

testosterone

Robin
Non-Christian
The best relationships I've ever had was with women that didn't work. They end up focusing their energy on looking after you, your home and kids.

I would never be in a long term relationship with a woman that works. If she becomes the breadwinner, she has no need for you where Eastern countries statistics show its one of the biggest reasons why a relationship breaks down is cause of women becomes the breadwinner. Same reason why in the West, women don't need men cause of government handouts today. Man hunts, woman looks after home has always been this way for a reason. Most Muslim women will stop working when they have kids. Children need guidance through life where when a woman works.... well just look at the brainwashing of Western kids today when mothers aren't around. If I were to bring up children in a Western country, without a doubt, they would be home-schooling by my wife.

Just make sure she does her job at home where women are so much happier at home compared to being stressed out by a job and career. Cause my woman is at peace and living a traditional life, it helps me deal with my stress cause she doesn't haven't any.

The worst women I found for me to be in a relationship with are career women cause you and your children will always be last on her list. Good luck having a healthy home cook meal when you get home from work and healthy children. I send a message home when leaving work on what I want for dinner. When I get home, my food is ready. I never ask but when I use to start work at 6am, my girl use to wake up early in the morning and cook food for my day at work and have breakfast with me. Get home, she has looked after my house.

 

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Arturo80

Sparrow
Orthodox
Unless theres an unnavigatable financial imperitive for it, i cant imagine much more wrong headed than having a wife that works a full time job, regardless of ethnicity.

Its a recipe for disaster.

Men that accept this situation, and then bemoan "toxic modern culture and feminism" etc are fools to themselves.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Catholic
Revisiting this old thread after I have now spent 6 months living in Ukraine.

I had a 22 year old girlfriend (half my age), I would give her a 9 in looks, a 9 for personality but a 2 for LTR quality.

We had an extremely strong emotional and intellectual connection. She had an online business teaching English and made good money for Ukraine. I was so happy I found a Ukrainian I connected with, because I found most of them to be boring. Life was amazing for 2 months, I thought I found my wife to be.

The money thing did become a problem for me - not because I couldn't afford it, or because I didn't think I needed to do it, but because I felt or received ZERO gratitude or thanks from her for all the things I did and paid for (literally everything). She also never did anything sweet for me, no gifts or nice gestures on Valentines Day, my birthday present was a 'nice text message' (I don't expect gifts, but a card or note would have been nice - anything!), no cooking, no emotional support (not that I expect much as a man), etc. She did practically bear hug me at night to sleep almost every night which was sweet.

Of course, in her warped and entitled mind, she probably thought it would be silly to say thanks because that's just 'how it's supposed to be'. It would be as silly as a guy saying 'thank you' to a woman after sex.

I made the mistake of not dealing with this early and often, until the issue exploded in a big fight.

So I was in a similar situation to the OP, although the differences were that my LTR was not sweet nor submissive, she was a difficult/dominant woman (girl) from day 1, had no interest in being a mother, mild emotional trauma around money and significant emotional trauma / messed up views on male/women relationships due to her father abandoning her at birth and being raised by a very poor single Mum (daddy issues 12/10) and had no idea nor role model on how to be a good relationship partner. It was take-take-take with her.

We broke up in a very dramatic and extremely hurtful breakup. Lesson learned, hopefully.

So, OP, you are doing better than me. And my value and game is very high, even in Western countries.
 
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PixelFree

Kingfisher
Catholic
And I want to add something to that. I often see threads about how "the White God Factor" is disappearing in foreign countries. And they blame it on Instagram and other social media. But is this development really surprising if you hear stories like the one from OP? Could it be that it's not social media, but low quality guys coming from the West?

100% this.

I would say 50%+ of the expat Western foreigners I met in Ukraine, Belarus, etc are losers back in their own countries too, and the 20-something Ukrainians we all try to date can't tell the difference.

The indicators of wealth they use in EE are quite primitive (flashy cars, watches and clothes) and they have trouble understanding long term characteristics of a quality man until they are post wall (much like in the West, really), but at least we have *some* role models.

Most Ukrainian's really can't tell if you're a schlubb supermarket worker from Germany earning $40k pa - 5-10x the salary in Ukraine - (saying he's a 'digital nomad' or 'crypto trader') OR an actual baller with significant investments / earning $300k+.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Catholic
What is the thinking on looking to Ukraine for a wife? I set some of my dating profiles to Ukraine to see what would happen, not expecting much, but the apparent quality is so much greater than American/western women that I am wondering now if it is actually a viable strategy.

They all seem more Christian, more traditional, more pleasant to talk with, younger, thinner, significantly more attractive, they actually care about their presentation, they don't ghost or quit replying, they're homophobic, etc. It's really like everything you'd want in a wife vs the typical American woman on the apps has like no qualities you'd want in a wife.

It is better in some ways but worse in others. At first it can seem amazing until you get the full picture.

Insane divorce rates (65%) and its a very broken society in regards to families and such, dark triad characteristics (materialism, narcissism, slyness).
 

testosterone

Robin
Non-Christian
It is better in some ways but worse in others. At first it can seem amazing until you get the full picture.

Insane divorce rates (65%) and its a very broken society in regards to families and such, dark triad characteristics (materialism, narcissism, slyness).

I haven't checked the divorce rate for ages. I can't believe Eastern Europe has the highest divorce rate now? 15 years ago, older men used to flock to Ukraine to find good White feminine women to marry. What went wrong???


I remember following the advice from the link below back in 2006. It gave me so much hope and knocked me out of years of 'Black Pill' state of mind, to help me find a good LTR woman after wasting my life with Western women.
 
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icxcaonika

Chicken
Orthodox
The divorce rate is high, but usually the women blame the men for that.
Wives should not work, when they take care of your home, cook and clean, but some of them don't do it.
Many of them prefer a career then being a housewife. Many want feminism same as in the west.
Their family often try to influence the way they behave even after the marriage and I suspect that it's one of the reasons why the marriages fail.
Most of them don't want to accept patriarchy and think that in modern world it should be different, they want equality, but at the same time they want the husband to provide.
 
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