Mainstream Christianity in USA is dying (survey)

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Less people in America identify as Christian (Catholic or Protestant) than ever before. Church attendance is also declining.

The religious landscape of the United States continues to change at a rapid clip. In Pew Research Center telephone surveys conducted in 2018 and 2019, 65% of American adults describe themselves as Christians when asked about their religion, down 12 percentage points over the past decade. Meanwhile, the religiously unaffiliated share of the population, consisting of people who describe their religious identity as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular,” now stands at 26%, up from 17% in 2009.

Both Protestantism and Catholicism are experiencing losses of population share. Currently, 43% of U.S. adults identify with Protestantism, down from 51% in 2009. And one-in-five adults (20%) are Catholic, down from 23% in 2009. Meanwhile, all subsets of the religiously unaffiliated population – a group also known as religious “nones” – have seen their numbers swell. Self-described atheists now account for 4% of U.S. adults, up modestly but significantly from 2% in 2009; agnostics make up 5% of U.S. adults, up from 3% a decade ago; and 17% of Americans now describe their religion as “nothing in particular,” up from 12% in 2009. Members of non-Christian religions also have grown modestly as a share of the adult population.

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

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The reason I used "mainstream" in the title is because many people will declare themselves as a Christian but either not practice or be long ago lapsed. I don't judge other people's faith, but people will say they're Christian but be active in participation of carnal sins while refraining from prayer and church attendance. They also seem to have no concern for their salvation. That's their business, but what I suspect is happening in the survey is that Christians who have been lapsed for a long time are simply dropping out of the "identity" entirely.

“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— (Revelation 3:14-17)

However you interpret the survey, get ready for great evil as that percentage of non-believers starts to approach 30%. I wonder if we will ever get there before something on a biblical scale happens.
 

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Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Roosh said:
The reason I used "mainstream" in the title is because many people will declare themselves as a Christian but either not practice or be long ago lapsed. I don't judge other people's faith, but people will say they're Christian but be active in participation of carnal sins while refraining from prayer and church attendance. They also seem to have no concern for their salvation. That's their business, but what I suspect is happening in the survey is that Christians who have been lapsed for a long time are simply dropping out of the "identity" entirely.

Relevant posts about this trend on the God thread starting from here:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72750-post-2013371.html#pid2013371

They never had faith. They just lost interest in their church as a social club.

The social benefits of being a Christian finally dipped from positive to negative.

Or in other words, the cool kids don't go to church anymore.

Sooner or later though, even the least botoxed fortysomething divorcee checking instagram in the back row has to wonder why she bothers going at all when she can just stay home, call herself spiritual, free up her Sundays and call it a day.
 
That will be true for a variety of reasons - one of them being that most churches are deeply infiltrated.

The ones who will survive are those which are tied with their own ethnic group or do not buckle to the feminist or globohomo trends - Amish, Mormons - some Orthodox churches. Most others are as good as done and are losing, disappearing.

Though - the human desire for belief is not gone - they are currently replacing it with wordly social justicism, feminism, environventalism, all-cultures-are-equal-ism, anti-Westernism, veganism, neo-communism (we will do it right this time) etc. Gorbachev talked about the plans to replace all religions with the worship of Mother GAIA - so environmentalism as the guiding force which meshes well with communism, feminism, anti-capitalism and social justice.

Most Christian churches will disappear, though the Christian mindset for now will still permeate Western societies.
 

Douglas Quaid

Kingfisher
I was raised Catholic, but to be honest I'm not religious. I do appreciate the role Christianity has played in shaping Western Civilization and the values it teaches. A society worshipping God is substantially better than one worshipping the State (basically what we have now).

I agree with Roosh's assessment regarding most modern Christians. They do not attend church, and they certainly don't practice the values it teaches. Most Christian men have unfortunately become incredibly weak, and Christian women are full of shit, even the ones acting like good girls.
 

Nacho

Sparrow
Eastern Orthodoxy has experienced the opposite of these trends. We have steadily increased our numbers just from protestant ranks. People know the real thing when they see it and are tired of the clown world shit show taking place in their former churches.
 
I always criticized religion hard. "Bunch of uneducated clowns worshiping a dude in a cloud".

While I'm still not religious, in the last few years it's becoming clear to me what happens to wealthier societies without religious influence. The culture dies off, the family unit disappears, non-monogamy becomes the norm, moral decay sets in, and with enough time degeneracy is everywhere.

As much I don't like 'religion', maybe it's something this messed up culture really needs. Maybe 'be a good a person' is better than the shit we have now...
 
Roosh said:
The reason I used "mainstream" in the title is because many people will declare themselves as a Christian but either not practice or be long ago lapsed. I don't judge other people's faith, but people will say they're Christian but be active in participation of carnal sins while refraining from prayer and church attendance. They also seem to have no concern for their salvation. That's their business, but what I suspect is happening in the survey is that Christians who have been lapsed for a long time are simply dropping out of the "identity" entirely.

According to Fr. Seraphim Rose's biography, this is one of the things that drove him towards the Orthodox Church. The Christianity he grew up with seemed empty - no fasting, no confessing one's sins, no struggling. People just lived normally, attended Church on Sundays, and apparently believed in God but did little about it. Some of my childhood friends grew up with this type of Christianity, and of those none attend church anymore.

It's worth noting that church attendance in the US has gone down at the same time as American Christians modernized their worship, started ordaining women, and got rid of fasting and sexual morality. I imagine, though, that both are merely symptoms of a greater problem.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Kid Twist said:
Kungfu said:
Maybe 'be a good a person' is better than the shit we have now...

"Be a good person" is what we have now.

Most of the people in the West and maybe even the world think that what they're doing is right, from the guys selling heroin "to feed my family" up to the guys committing genocide "because those people are evil".

Without a guiding light to follow we are at the mercy of hostile worldly and spiritual influences looking to hijack our good intentions and use them to do evil.

One of that hardest lessons to learn is that your best attempts to "be a good person" still leave you utterly vulnerable to demonic influence and that liberal mantras of "you do you and I'll do me" are a prideful and narcissistic gateway to self defeat.

Even most satanists believe they're doing good while they usher in third term abortions and the use of drugs that render people helpless against demonic influence. Unfortunately we are taught to rebel against all the authorities that might aid our way forward and submit to all the authorities that seek to harm us.
 
Kid Twist said:
Kungfu said:
Maybe 'be a good a person' is better than the shit we have now...

"Be a good person" is what we have now.

If a man doesn't believe in Jesus the Messiah. 2nd person of the trinity his works and his resurrection. Then this "Christianity" is merely moralistic deism.

This weaksauce is merely dissolving under pressure. Although I suspect real Christians will be suspected as being cultish or cults wrongly.
 
Kungfu said:
I always criticized religion hard. "Bunch of uneducated clowns worshiping a dude in a cloud".

While I'm still not religious, in the last few years it's becoming clear to me what happens to wealthier societies without religious influence. The culture dies off, the family unit disappears, non-monogamy becomes the norm, moral decay sets in, and with enough time degeneracy is everywhere.

As much I don't like 'religion', maybe it's something this messed up culture really needs. Maybe 'be a good a person' is better than the shit we have now...

Some playlists if you are interested:

Case for the Soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBsI_ay8K70&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TX_4LthrdGqACsqIWKd2gs-

New Testament reliability:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY


Resurrection of Jesus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ErnJF_nwBk&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUYymBPce08oyuhnHLLkR_B

Quantum Universe and God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFEBOGLjuq4&list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TViAqtowpvZy5PZpn-MoSK_
 

bgbusiness

Kingfisher
So, if this trend continues, we will see a single digit within several decades. Jesus christ...
According to the chart that is 13% drop in about 10 years.
50 years = 65%...in other words, basically almost of all believers would be gone in 50 years

I would be dead by then or in my late 70s, so I guess it won't matter that much, but sad to see this phenomenon.
In 20 years, I will be in late 40s and it would be around 1/4 of the population identifying themselves as religious.

On a positive notes, the small minority will make it easier to Christians to find each other.
 
Christianity grows in countries like China or some African ones, but I wonder how the religion will truly look like there. Christianity in some South American places devolved into some kind of death worship that could safely be practiced by cartel members, so equating this with anything Jesus preached or did is interesting to say the least.

And China doesn't accept anything that doesn't benefit them, so the church will serve the party to some degree.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Chinese repression of Christianity or anything Europeanised for that matter is going to be equal parts cultural protectionism and espionage countermeasures.

Don't doubt for a second that every well meaning Western push into China is riddled with deep state fuckery. They do the precise same thing to us.
 
Relevent video of end-stage post-religious post-revolutionary society in the form of young Chinese:


However I disagree with Pigeon that this is anywhere close for the West.

The reason why the young stopped caring about revolutions or social issues - accepted the Orwellian apparatus and cared only about Iphone - that is easily explained.

Their life in China is not threatened by let's say 700 mio. Africans, South Americans or Muslims. They are not attacked constantly in the press and their internal academia does not create new Antifa with each gulag-lesson. Their entire internal ideology is based also on pride in China while they probably can understand the oppressive nature of the party, but at least the party does not hate them or wishes to replace them with Africans. The party in addition does not force them to accept mentally sick men as women or parade the gay flag around.

So essentially the Chinese Gen Z are nihilistic, atomized and politically uncaring because there is no social cultural marxist conflict created within unlike in the West.

For the West to arrive there it would mean first a total and complete destruction of everything that was old. Maybe that is the globohomo cultural revolution for the West - this honk world. Destruction and castration of Christianity is part of this plan.

And I am afraid that ultimately this won't go through without tens of millions of dead one way or another.
 

Yatagan

Pelican
Gold Member
Mainstream Zionist "christianity" in America can't die fast enough for my liking, along with the churches that support importing Africans and other turd worlders into the States.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Speaking for protestantism, what's happening is that the mainline liberal churches are dying out (ELCA, PCUSA, ECUSA, UCC, etc). These were once faithful churches in the 19th century that slowly began denying the authority of Scripture, with the rot nearly always starting in the seminaries, and churches were slow to discipline these wayward elements. Now these churches embrace feminism and homosexuality. The slow adoption of this wickeness led to splits along the way, which is a major reason there are so many denominations today. A good but very long case study of the fall of one such entity is Gary North's "Crossed Fingers," which details the decline of the mainline northern Presbyterian church. (One of the villains in the fall of Old Princeton, by the way, was Woodrow Wilson). This is your main open borders crowd.

Then we have denominations which split off the once faithful ones and seem to be slowly going the same route. The Christian Reformed Church did it a generation ago, the Presbyterian Church in America is doing it now (mainly through the gay stuff). Like the LCMS, the Southern Baptists had a major battle a generation ago that the conservatives won, but now SBC liberals like Beth Moore are using an abuse scandal to push egalitarianism. And they have the awful Russell Moore as well. But most of the churches are faithful and pushback is developing against orgs like the ERLC and the Gospel Coalition (which is doing the opposite of what it set out to do).

Then we have the non-denominational churches. These are congregational (local, not regional or national leadership), and many of the pastors came out of dispensational but otherwise generally faithful and conservative places like Dallas Theological. A lot of these seminaries are under attack by woke garbage, particularly on race, but even before that one of the contagions in the church was the Church Growth Movement. This was the root of the emphasis on using entertainment, "meeting felt needs," and soft language to fill seats. It's wrong on so many levels and it's been a disaster, leading to shallow and non-catechized Christians as well as effeminate preaching and leadership. Think Rick Warren and Willow Creek. It's influenced many non-evangelical churches as well. A lot of the stuff complained about here re: churches can be traced right back to this movement.

The overriding thing for all of this is that churches are always under attack. it was true in the time of the apostles and it's true now. As the old hymn puts it, "Onward Christian soldiers / marching as to war..."
 

The Guest

Pigeon
Nacho said:
Eastern Orthodoxy has experienced the opposite of these trends. We have steadily increased our numbers just from protestant ranks. People know the real thing when they see it and are tired of the clown world shit show taking place in their former churches.

Emperor Constantine said:
According to Fr. Seraphim Rose's biography, this is one of the things that drove him towards the Orthodox Church. The Christianity he grew up with seemed empty - no fasting, no confessing one's sins, no struggling. People just lived normally, attended Church on Sundays, and apparently believed in God but did little about it. Some of my childhood friends grew up with this type of Christianity, and of those none attend church anymore.

I've known several Orthodox in my life. Mostly Greek-American, some immigrants from the Balkans. None of them attend church regularly, just for family events. According to one survey a majority of Orthodox in America support abortion and gay marriage.

My older Protestant church is doing well, although across the country we're in decline and you can tell there is pressure to cuck on various issues.

Of the serious Christians I know under 35, almost all are evangelicals, and they are a small minority. The state religion is now globohomo.

Nowhere, no denomination is safe.
 
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