Mainstream Christianity in USA is dying (survey)

The horror we are descending into is nothing new. This has always been God's plan for Christians of every age.

The lives of most Christians throughout history is to give it all to God - trusting in God- and in the face of evil often losing everything.

In the age of the prophets: Job held on by faith though God let Satan test him to the limit. Noah built an ark by faith, saw almost everyone killed, and never lived to see the world reborn. Abraham was ready to kill his only son, born of a miracle. God promised him descendants more numerous than the stars - and he was willing to sacrifice Issac - his only path to that promise on God's command. Moses turned his back on being an Egyptian noble to wander the rest of his life in the desert, 40 more long years (childless!), with an ungrateful people and then died in the desert never having never entered the promised land. Stephen was killed testifying for Christ, when Christ had been recently killed, his disciples scattered and already Christians were being persecuted.

Look back at history - the Apostles were all martyred - and when they died there was earthly no reason to expect anything but that Christianity would fail. They left a world with a messiah who had been killed, and with a few scattered Christians who were being hunted by the most powerful empire that ever existed at the height of its power. They never got to see the the Church we know from history. They could only imagine it and trust God.

Most of the early Jewish Christians lived to see Jerusalem annihilated. The temple looted and then taken apart stone by stone, the ark of the covenant destroyed. Nearly every person of their nation crucified. The few surviving jewish Christians hunted by both the Romans and the few surviving Jews!

After hundreds of years when finally it was legal to be a Christian in the Roman empire it was only to see that empire being taken apart by non-Christians. The Christians of the middle east only ever lived for centuries in oppression, briefly legalized by the Romans and then massacred by Islam. They only ever saw Christianity fighting and losing. They are so few there now.

The survivors in the eastern Roman Empire only lived to see that empire getting smaller and smaller, fighting losing battles until finally their capital was sacked, their churches burned and hundreds of years of work destroyed. They never saw success on earth - only fighting and eventually losing.

The western Roman empire was greatest in pagan times. It was also in constant decline - invasion by pagan barbarians from the north - being enslaved by them, and enslaved by Islamic raiders from the south. Whole towns of faithful Christians were sacked and the people captured and sold into slavery. They too never saw victory. They went to a martyr's death.

When Islam invaded Hispania - again everything was destroyed, Christians enslaved, cities burned - until there were only 100 free Christian warriors hiding on a mountain in Asturias. And those men never lived to see Spain reunited, and Christians spreading to the new world.

There were centuries of plagues. Imagine building cathedrals, celebrating liturgies, being faithful and then having everyone dying - not just in your town - but every person in every town you ever heard of - and dying thinking that this will be the end of the world.

Or Christian Europe invaded by the Mongols - resisting and having whole cities burned - every person killed. Going to your death seeing that everything was lost.

And yet they all held on by faith. At every loss the greater Christian world was still in the future.

Pelayo in Asturias told the Moslems that Christians would reconquer Hispania - thought he never saw it - they did and spread their language and their faith across the whole world. The Byzantines lost their capital, and their whole culture and most never knew how large would eventually be the Christian world to the north that they has won for Christ. Christianity has spread around the world.

The most beautiful buildings ever made by human hands - the great Christian cathedrals - most Christians never saw them. Most of the sublime Christian music, most died for a Christianity that did not yet have that music. You have been placed by God in a part of history that has a view to that piece of God's glory - watching it, as it is passing away. The works of men have always been temporary.

God has made a world for heroes. God doesn't expect you to win in this world - but you have to fight. You were not made by God for comfort - but for greatness, only you have to allow God to make you great.

What is greatness in the context of God? It is going "all in" for God - maybe winning - maybe losing. It doesn't matter. That "deus vult" meme you love - all of those heroes fought valiantly like that - but most of them were killed for Christ.

Pizarro after conquering the satanic Aztec empire for Christ, was killed in an ambush at age 70. He saw many of his family killed. The last thing he did was paint a crucifix on the floor in his own blood. That is your model.

So get ready. We're almost certainly not going to win. These satanic globalists are probably going to win. Everything you love will likely get burned. Yet Cristus Vincit wins in the end. Either after this God produces another miracle that creates another improbable flourishing of his Church to set the stage for another age of Christian heroes - or he doesn't and the world ends. Either way - you're not likely to see God's victory in this life.

Be like Pelayo, you, and 100 Christian warriors against a million Arabs:

"Don’t you know that the Church of God is like the moon that once eclipsed returns to her fullness? We trust in God’s mercy and know that from this mountain will emerge the health of Spain. You with your brothers as well as Olian, minister of Satan, decided to give to these people the kingdom of the Goths. But we, having Our Lord Jesus Christ as our advocate before God the Father, despise this multitude of pagans in whose name you come. And by the intercession of the Mother of God, who is Mother of mercy, we believe that this small army of 105 Goths will multiply like seeds from a tiny grain of mustard."

God willed that Christianity would win in Spain for awhile - but most of those heroes died in battle, and none saw the eventual victory that would come 800 years later.

Brothers, pray for martyrdom. It may happen. Instead of living another bunch of decades proving your love through prayer and mortifications, perhaps God will offer you a hero's challenge - confess Christ in the face of certain death and prove that you love Christ more than this world and earn heaven in an instant.

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“But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?”— (Luke xvii.8)


Haydock’s Douay-Rheims commentary:

“Our divine Redeemer adds, this, to shew that faith must necessarily accompany our prayers. For whosoever prays for what he does not believe he shall obtain, will pray in vain; let us, therefore, entreat the Father of mercies to grant us the grace of prayer, and firmness in faith; for faith produces prayer, and prayer produces firmness of faith. (St. Augustine, de verb. Dom. Serm 36.) --- But of this there is little left on the earth, and there will be still less at the second coming of the Son of God.”
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
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Pre-pandemic my Church had three Sunday services. Now the busy 11 am service is the only service and it's less than half full. Last Sunday the Pastor admonished the flock to return to in person service. We'll see...
 
Many churches are dying from america over italy to bulgaria because of negative birth rates. In america of course you have cringe pastors because the culture gets subverted since the 1920s and everybody wants to be a star.
Spain used to be a hotspot of traditional catholicism, now their TFR is lower than that of japan.
The good thing about these cringe pastors is that they make the cultural downfall visible, while for example in serbia society seems more traditional, but it has the same problems.
 
This is a feature, not a bug.
An example is the Episcopal Church; it is top to bottom filled with marxists and social justice activists. Christianity - even the veneer, is an expensive, time consuming nuisance. They also have huge assets- usually properties in prime real estate in cities like New York, reflecting their past as the church of the elite.

"Financially the denomination has $400 million in trust, $11 billion in a pension plan for retired clergy, and another $4.5 billion in assets held at the parish and diocese level. To put it bluntly, money is not the issue."

The marxists running the church would like nothing better to liquidate all those assets and turn the 'church' into a huge social justice fund like the Ford Foundation. They have repeatedly shown they are, like big corporations and politicians willing to defy and even insult who they should be serving.

It's not a surprise that the only congregations that are thriving are conservative ones - but the leadership literally forces them out of office and entire congregations leave- they are happy to see it as long as they can keep the property. In one instance they refused to sell a church to a conservative congregation that was leaving and sold it to muslims, below market who converted it to a mosque.


The left/globalists can only take and destroy. they cannot created and build.
 
This is a feature, not a bug.
An example is the Episcopal Church; it is top to bottom filled with marxists and social justice activists. Christianity - even the veneer, is an expensive, time consuming nuisance. They also have huge assets- usually properties in prime real estate in cities like New York, reflecting their past as the church of the elite.

"Financially the denomination has $400 million in trust, $11 billion in a pension plan for retired clergy, and another $4.5 billion in assets held at the parish and diocese level. To put it bluntly, money is not the issue."

The marxists running the church would like nothing better to liquidate all those assets and turn the 'church' into a huge social justice fund like the Ford Foundation. They have repeatedly shown they are, like big corporations and politicians willing to defy and even insult who they should be serving.

It's not a surprise that the only congregations that are thriving are conservative ones - but the leadership literally forces them out of office and entire congregations leave- they are happy to see it as long as they can keep the property. In one instance they refused to sell a church to a conservative congregation that was leaving and sold it to muslims, below market who converted it to a mosque.


The left/globalists can only take and destroy. they cannot created and build.
Selling the church to muslims was less financially motivated than being a humiliation of Christians. The left/globalists are great builders, but not of anything holy, but of a satanic empire.
 
This is a feature, not a bug.
An example is the Episcopal Church; it is top to bottom filled with marxists and social justice activists. Christianity - even the veneer, is an expensive, time consuming nuisance. They also have huge assets- usually properties in prime real estate in cities like New York, reflecting their past as the church of the elite.

"Financially the denomination has $400 million in trust, $11 billion in a pension plan for retired clergy, and another $4.5 billion in assets held at the parish and diocese level. To put it bluntly, money is not the issue."

The marxists running the church would like nothing better to liquidate all those assets and turn the 'church' into a huge social justice fund like the Ford Foundation. They have repeatedly shown they are, like big corporations and politicians willing to defy and even insult who they should be serving.

It's not a surprise that the only congregations that are thriving are conservative ones - but the leadership literally forces them out of office and entire congregations leave- they are happy to see it as long as they can keep the property. In one instance they refused to sell a church to a conservative congregation that was leaving and sold it to muslims, below market who converted it to a mosque.


The left/globalists can only take and destroy. they cannot created and build.

Every Orthodox and venerable institution they must subvert. The reason RCC and Protestants are most effected is that they are the first most visible targets impacted since the 19th-20th centuries. I predict that the lack of the Iron Curtain will subject EO to the same pressures.

Since they are only more open to the influence since 1991.
 
These numbers are shocking. Why do they even go to Church if they have a total hatred on basic Christian ethics and love abortion and so on?

To stay and subvert, or since the traditional faith is a tribalist holdover as a form of Nationalism, or force of habit.

One cannot have the Garden of Eden/Paradise without God. Yet people keep trying and creating hell on earth.
 

unit414

Robin
Interesting. JWs aren't supposed to involve themselves in politics, so that would explain their political make up. I tend to think they have the right idea.
Those stats for Catholics and Orthodox are troubling, thought the former doesn't surprise me at all.
And no surprise that 81% of jews are OK with sodomy, though I honestly thought it would be like 90+%
I guarantee that 100% of my small Christian sect are against gayness. Especially the promotion and celebration of it.
 
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Every Orthodox and venerable institution they must subvert. The reason RCC and Protestants are most effected is that they are the first most visible targets impacted since the 19th-20th centuries. I predict that the lack of the Iron Curtain will subject EO to the same pressures.

Since they are only more open to the influence since 1991.
The numbers say, if I see it correctly, that Eastern Orthodox in America are more democrat and liberal than Protestants, although their clergy seems to be very based. They don't even need to subvert the institution, if the mainstream culture is already in their hand.
 
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