Makeup

[Mrs.DanielH]

Are you referring to eye shadow? I finally found some that doesn’t burn my eyes or make them bloodshot. It’s Red Apple brand. Their return policy is outstanding—6 months, 100% full refund, open box, any reason. I’m not affiliated, just love their shadows.

Eyeshadow, eyeliner, and mascara all irritate my eyes. I did look into that brand, but it's honestly too expensive.

 

[infowarrior1]

As long as the makeup matches ones skintone, the eyelashes aren't so thick that a woman can't open their eyes, then I feel makeup is fine. It takes practice for one to get it right and it certainly enhances a woman's natural beauty. Everyday us young women who are single should do our best to take care of ourselves, health/weight-wise and look at our best every single day! I do this and it'd beneficial for me in finding male suitors, so I'm able to vet who is most suitable. Sadly, in your early 20s guys round this age are rarely mature enough to settle with, unless they are spiritual engrained in a church. The guys in the late 20s are showing off to be more impressive so I may keep an eye out for that range or guys in their

I see nothing wrong with makeup that's tastefully done. "Myself, but better" is the look I always strive for. I still look attractive without it, but I feel especially put together when I have some on. Even women from the Bible days would take part in beauty treatments and cosmetics. As long as you place more importance on improving your spirit vs. your external appearance, you'll be fine.

Lotions, olive oil, lavender, Frankincense and other floral treatments back in those days.

None of the modern chemical garbage and other modifications which as I said above ruins a woman's face in the long run.

If Men can be handsome without makeup but well groomed. It can be done by women.

 

[Shwhite]

Lotions, olive oil, lavender, Frankincense and other floral treatments back in those days.

None of the modern chemical garbage and other modifications which as I said above ruins a woman's face in the long run.

If Men can be handsome without makeup but well groomed. It can be done by women.

Some women would even line their eyes with kohl. These women were usually rich or of royal descent. Men would also line their eyes, but it was probably less for the aesthetic and more for protecting their eyes from glare. The original trendsetters for "guy-liner".

 

[infowarrior1]

Some women would even line their eyes with kohl. These women were usually rich or of royal descent. Men would also line their eyes, but it was probably less for the aesthetic and more for protecting their eyes from glare. The original trendsetters for "guy-liner".

Indeed. It has a double utility as ornament and eye protection.

 

[Leeloo]

Eyeshadow, eyeliner, and mascara all irritate my eyes. I did look into that brand, but it's honestly too expensive.

I find a good eye primer will keep your products in place and keep them from irritating your eyes. I’m a contact wearer/dry eye person myself and struggle with sensitive eyes.

However, you do basically have to spend some good money for quality products. I’ve spent years (and $$$) finding my perfect combo ‘holy grail’ makeup products. Only to live through COVID and basically give up on makeup lol.

If it’s not
Cost effective for you, I understand. Some of life’s extras just aren’t worth it.

 

[Vigilant]

Make-up is not verified by FDA to be safe.

Children and teenager really do not need to wear makeup - will cause long term damage. There is also talc in makeup, which can cause cancer when inhaled into the lungs.



But then again everyone's face chemistry is different. Keeping in natural is best.
Daily intake of a Lysine supplement and PQQ-10 are a nice add on to health skin.

Can you recommend a lip balm? I've tried a few, and the one I relied on for the last few years, changed their ingredients to include scent, and I am sensitive to anything scented.

 

[Starlight]

Can you recommend a lip balm? I've tried a few, and the one I relied on for the last few years, changed their ingredients to include scent, and I am sensitive to anything scented.

You can make your own! My mom has made lip balm before with various essential oils and it’s really nice. I’m pretty sure she found the recipe off of Pinterest. Most recipes have beeswax, olive oil, and cocoa butter and then you can add whatever essential oils you like.

 

[Rob Banks]

My stance is about as extreme as it is unapologetic: makeup is bad. There is literally nothing good about it. The WHAT is bad for your body; the WHY is bad for your soul.

Whether cheap or expensive, conventional or "natural," at the very least these products interfere with the natural functions of skin and pores (and for things like eye makeup, can also cause issues with tear ducts, etc.). The best any cosmetic product can claim is that it is "less bad." Make no mistake, ladies: companies that sell expensive cosmetics under the pretense that they're somehow beneficial or "restorative" to your body in any way are LYING. There is no delicate way of putting it: if you believe these claims, you are deceived.

Whether minimal or full clown-face, at the very least, the impetus behind daily/routine application (no matter how "tasteful") is always tied up in some kind of vanity, insecurity, or self-objectification. While it may in some cases be objectively true that you APPEAR more attractive with certain features cosmetically enhanced, or certain flaws concealed -- there is absolutely nothing saying that appearing more attractive is any kind of good for you. I posit that it is NOT. I posit that humility is in all cases more beneficial to the soul than vanity.

That's not to say that makeup never has its place - it does. Temporary occasional use for costumes, special occasions, portraits, etc. is totally reasonable, IMO. But if you're wearing makeup all day every day because you're not satisfied with the way you look normally, you would be better served by completely eliminating all cosmetic expenditures (in terms of ALL resources, not just money, but also time, energy, etc. -- drop it all like a hot potato) in favor of investing in your health instead. Good physical health will fix more problems than makeup will conceal, and good spiritual health makes it easier to be content with plainness.

I've known too many women who spend 1-2 hours in the bathroom every. single. morning., cosmetically compensating for the 1-2 hours of sleep they didn't get because they had to wake up early to do their hair and makeup. It's madness. This kind of widespread behavior definitely indicates to me that the emotions driving the use of cosmetics are not healthy.

There's a quote from the show "Call The Midwife" (no I haven't finished it yet, no spoilers) where a little girl says something like "My mummy says only tarts paint their nails."

I'm not gonna lie, that's kinda how I feel about cosmetics in general. No, not that every woman who wears makeup is some kinda hussy. I don't think that, and I doubt very much that any of you ladies look or behave like whores. But what I'm getting at, is that on a cultural level and on an industrial level, cosmetics have been normalized for the express purpose of monetizing the sexuality of women on a massive (and typically unwitting) scale.

Take away all the cameras and the mirrors and see how many women keep wearing makeup - and how many men actually care. Makeup isn't really about attracting mates. Good condition, grooming, and hygiene is all that's required for that. Makeup is there to boost the profits of the corporations that have insidiously commodified the sexuality of every single human being they can bring under the lens of their influence.

This.

I just randomly came across this thread and was reading through it.

I was going to say something similar to this, but you've put it way better than I could have.

Here is my unpopular opinion: All women look uglier with makeup. There are no exceptions.

I don't know, maybe it is just my keen sense of picking up on people's physiognomy and distinguishing between "genuine" and "fake/deceptive."

IMO, though, all women are naturally beautiful. No woman is born ugly (unless she has severe physical deformities). Women uglify themselves through sin and vice (lust/promiscuity, gluttony, pride/vanity, etc).

Makeup, as @Kitty Tantrum pointed out, is merely another form of this uglification in the form of vanity and self-objectification.

I always used to cringe when reading the old RVF/ROK and men would talk and joke about how unattractive it was for a woman to go without makeup.

Why do men want their woman to conceal her face?

At that point, why not just put a bag over her head, you know?

(OK, maybe if a woman had some very subtle makeup done by a professional makeup artist, it might not look so bad. But it would still be kind of pointless and unnecessary IMO).

As Kitty pointed out, none of this is to pass judgment on the ladies here who use makeup from time to time. Rather, it is a personal opinion and observation on the broader society.

 

[TexasJenn]

I always used to cringe when reading the old RVF/ROK and men would talk and joke about how unattractive it was for a woman to go without makeup.

Why do men want their woman to conceal her face?

I agree. I always found it sad that men are so enchanted by what's essentially deception... smoke and mirrors.

I appreciate the men who see through it and celebrate natural beauty.

 

[Vigilant]

This.

I just randomly came across this thread and was reading through it.

I was going to say something similar to this, but you've put it way better than I could have.

Here is my unpopular opinion: All women look uglier with makeup. There are no exceptions.

I don't know, maybe it is just my keen sense of picking up on people's physiognomy and distinguishing between "genuine" and "fake/deceptive."

IMO, though, all women are naturally beautiful. No woman is born ugly (unless she has severe physical deformities). Women uglify themselves through sin and vice (lust/promiscuity, gluttony, pride/vanity, etc).

Makeup, as @Kitty Tantrum pointed out, is merely another form of this uglification in the form of vanity and self-objectification.

I always used to cringe when reading the old RVF/ROK and men would talk and joke about how unattractive it was for a woman to go without makeup.

Why do men want their woman to conceal her face?

At that point, why not just put a bag over her head, you know?

(OK, maybe if a woman had some very subtle makeup done by a professional makeup artist, it might not look so bad. But it would still be kind of pointless and unnecessary IMO).

As Kitty pointed out, none of this is to pass judgment on the ladies here who use makeup from time to time. Rather, it is a personal opinion and observation on the broader society.

This is why trannies love make up.

 

[fortyfive]

With my half-sleep eyes, I saw this thread as a "Wake up Ladies" and for one second I thought, the revolution finally started -)
Ok, is just about Makeup for now.

 

[Vigilant]

With my half-sleep eyes, I saw this thread as a "Wake up Ladies" and for one second I thought, the revolution finally started -)
Ok, is just about Makeup for now.

Ha, ha that's funny.
Well, one can see better without masks of make up.
We need the life of regeneration, not the wasted blood of revolution, but that's a whole new thread potential.

So, after your coffee, tell us if you prefer make up on women.

 

[Luna Novem]

This.

I just randomly came across this thread and was reading through it.

I was going to say something similar to this, but you've put it way better than I could have.

Here is my unpopular opinion: All women look uglier with makeup. There are no exceptions.

I don't know, maybe it is just my keen sense of picking up on people's physiognomy and distinguishing between "genuine" and "fake/deceptive."

IMO, though, all women are naturally beautiful. No woman is born ugly (unless she has severe physical deformities). Women uglify themselves through sin and vice (lust/promiscuity, gluttony, pride/vanity, etc).

Makeup, as @Kitty Tantrum pointed out, is merely another form of this uglification in the form of vanity and self-objectification.

I always used to cringe when reading the old RVF/ROK and men would talk and joke about how unattractive it was for a woman to go without makeup.

Why do men want their woman to conceal her face?

At that point, why not just put a bag over her head, you know?

(OK, maybe if a woman had some very subtle makeup done by a professional makeup artist, it might not look so bad. But it would still be kind of pointless and unnecessary IMO).

As Kitty pointed out, none of this is to pass judgment on the ladies here who use makeup from time to time. Rather, it is a personal opinion and observation on the broader society.

I truly believe that I look objectively better with makeup. I don't wear a ton of it, by the way. But without makeup (I'm 41), I look older, tired, etc. With some light makeup, I immediately look more awake, younger, healthier. I don't think of it as "concealing" my face, but rather, highlighting certain features. Blush doesn't conceal my cheeks; it just brings to them a healthy glow. Mascara doesn't conceal my eyelashes; it enables them to better draw attention to my eyes. Etc., etc.

 

[Rob Banks]

I truly believe that I look objectively better with makeup. I don't wear a ton of it, by the way. But without makeup (I'm 41), I look older, tired, etc. With some light makeup, I immediately look more awake, younger, healthier. I don't think of it as "concealing" my face, but rather, highlighting certain features. Blush doesn't conceal my cheeks; it just brings to them a healthy glow. Mascara doesn't conceal my eyelashes; it enables them to better draw attention to my eyes. Etc., etc.

Well, that is a personal choice on your part. I do not believe that makeup autonatically makes a woman "bad," that I can know her motives are necessarily deception and/or vanity, or that I even have the wisdom and authority to judge others (I certainly do not).

But my personal opinion is that makeup makes all women uglier.

What's wrong with looking a little bit old and tired when you're, well, old and tired?

(I'm using the general "you" here, not calling you specifically old and tired).

There is beauty in "old and tired." Not sexual beauty, but beauty in the sense that one's face shows that one has lived a life of trials and tribulations, and one is slowly and gracefully aging and embracing a new, non-sexual role as a mother, grandmother (hopefully), and elder woman of the community with wisdom to share.

Also, makeup certainly does conceal a woman's face, just like clothing conceals the body. Only it is natural and correct for the body to be concealed.

In order to "highlight" certain features, others must be concealed. Alternatively, certain features or colors can be enhanced artificially.

Either way, the natural God-given look is being concealed, distorted, or otherwise obscured. And when I see it (even if it is subtle), my intuition picks up on it immediately as not being genuine.

I tend to have a very keen intuitive sense of "genuine"-ness in people (or it's opposite, "fake"-ness). This does not only apply to people's faces and dress styles, but also their manner of speaking, walking, etc.

I have met people who are outwardly super friendly and generous, but something about them told me it was all fake. And the opposite, too. People whp are outwardly quite cold and rigid, but I could tell they were actually good, caring people.

So it is my own personal opinion that beauty is only found in being real and genuine.

This applies to men too, by the way. When men get fancy haircuts, gel their hair, and dress in ways that "highlight" certain features (e.g. muscular build), I find it just as fake and off-putting.

 

[Vigilant]

Well, that is a personal choice on your part. I do not believe that makeup autonatically makes a woman "bad," that I can know her motives are necessarily deception and/or vanity, or that I even have the wisdom and authority to judge others (I certainly do not).

But my personal opinion is that makeup makes all women uglier.

What's wrong with looking a little bit old and tired when you're, well, old and tired?

(I'm using the general "you" here, not calling you specifically old and tired).

There is beauty in "old and tired." Not sexual beauty, but beauty in the sense that one's face shows that one has lived a life of trials and tribulations, and one is slowly and gracefully aging and embracing a new, non-sexual role as a mother, grandmother (hopefully), and elder woman of the community with wisdom to share.

Also, makeup certainly does conceal a woman's face, just like clothing conceals the body. Only it is natural and correct for the body to be concealed.

In order to "highlight" certain features, others must be concealed. Alternatively, certain features or colors can be enhanced artificially.

Either way, the natural God-given look is being concealed, distorted, or otherwise obscured. And when I see it (even if it is subtle), my intuition picks up on it immediately as not being genuine.

I tend to have a very keen intuitive sense of "genuine"-ness in people (or it's opposite, "fake"-ness). This does not only apply to people's faces and dress styles, but also their manner of speaking, walking, etc.

I have met people who are outwardly super friendly and generous, but something about them told me it was all fake. And the opposite, too. People whp are outwardly quite cold and rigid, but I could tell they were actually good, caring people.

So it is my own personal opinion that beauty is only found in being real and genuine.

This applies to men too, by the way. When men get fancy haircuts, gel their hair, and dress in ways that "highlight" certain features (e.g. muscular build), I find it just as fake and off-putting.

Very observant and insightful.

I had quite a process over some years for God to deliver me from the mask (make-up) growing up, being ingrained with a Babylonian-hollywood family culture.
I found that if I improved even subtly applied make up, I still sensed an attitude change within, a type of channeling enabling me to have a supernatural power of ungodly confidence, a subtle pride.
The power was greater the more dramatic the make-up was.
To channel 'characters' actors also depend on make-up/mask.

It breaks my heart to see babies being born to made up faces, which must affect them spiritually and therefore psychology.
Maybe another reason we notice men being more attracted to heavily made up women is because they were born to such mothers, and are desensitised to natural beauty.

Commonly make-up can be a signal for men to know the woman wants their desire or that they are advertising accessibility. Even if the woman looks ugly, the sexual signal it conveys is more powerful to men, so they don't mind a bit of inconvenient ugliness to get satisfied.
Crudely speaking, the bag over the head joke applied truly.

If the former, then a woman using make up just to be desired not accessed is a dangerous tease.
And I question whether wearing make up is loving to one's neighbour or more loving to one's own self at another's expense.

We all must work out our salvation in all areas of life, and I am trying to do just that.

 

[TexasJenn]

It's undeniable that some (most?) women look objectively better, from a purely visual perspective, with subtle, tasteful makeup. Even the most beautiful specimens have some "flaws" that could use touching up. It's also a fact that women who wear tasteful makeup and stylish clothing get more interest from men, as well as promotions and raises.

This world rewards women handsomely for wearing makeup and participating in all the other time-consuming "beauty" rituals.

I've been working from home for over a year now, and 99% of the time I don't wear makeup at all anymore. I've never worn much, just the "natural" look, me but slightly better. I'll occasionally put on a little lipstick and mascara for a video presentation, special occasion, something like that. I think this is fine. I also think it's fine if a woman chooses to wear no makeup at all.

 

[Rob Banks]

It's undeniable that some (most?) women look objectively better, from a purely visual perspective, with subtle, tasteful makeup.
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Obviously, I do not agree with this.

I guess it depends what you mean by "objectively better," though.

If by "better" you mean "conforming to the Hollywood-, and pop culture-, and sexual revolution-influenced modern notions of beauty," then I suppose it is true.

If by "better" you mean "closer to what God intended," then I'm not so sure.

This world rewards women handsomely for wearing makeup and participating in all the other time-consuming "beauty" rituals.
...

Yes, indeed.

Isn't it telling how Christ constantly warns against living for the pleasures and riches of "this world"?

 

[fortyfive]

Call me creepy if you want, but I will admit, after heavy sparring, I'm wearing my wife's makeup sometimes, (body skin color) as a means to hide black eyes and to avoid public attention. (and sensitive customers)
And I'm using nail polish sometimes to mark some things instead of a permanent marker.

Regarding women, I think decent makeup is alright, even when I'm not able to recognize mostly if a woman has some makeup or not. (except extreme cases).

 

[Luna Novem]

Obviously, I do not agree with this.

I guess it depends what you mean by "objectively better," though.

If by "better" you mean "conforming to the Hollywood-, and pop culture-, and sexual revolution-influenced modern notions of beauty," then I suppose it is true.

If by "better" you mean "closer to what God intended," then I'm not so sure.

Yes, indeed.

Isn't it telling how Christ constantly warns against living for the pleasures and riches of "this world"?

I think that women look better with light makeup for the same reasons that they look better with long hair or a healthy weight. They look healthier, more feminine, younger (if they're middle aged), more awake, etc. I don't think these things are the results of Hollywood or the sexual revolution. Rather, I think they are based in nature (fertility indicators). Why do women look better at a healthy weight (not under- or over-weight). Because it's a fertility indicator. Why do we look better with long hair? Because it's a fertility indicator. Why do we look better with rosy cheeks? Same reason.

I'm pragmatic about these things.

 

[Rob Banks]

Why do women look better at a healthy weight (not under- or over-weight). Because it's a fertility indicator. Why do we look better with long hair? Because it's a fertility indicator. Why do we look better with rosy cheeks? Same reason.

I would say that a woman wearing a wig or dyeing her hair would be just as unnatural as makeup.

As for weight, there really is no way to conceal being fat.

Medical procedures such as liposuction, if done purely for cosmetic reasons and not because the person's health is at risk, is just as unnatural.

Same goes for things like plastic surgery.

The point is that certain methods to care for one's appearance are natural, while others are not.

And I would say the same thing for men who get hair transplants or wear elevator shoes.

Yes, appearing taller, or not being bald, is an indicator of health and fitness. It is very pragmatic. But it is artificial and not genuine.

I am 29 and I am going bald. I would never get a hair transplant or use any of the anti-baldness cosmetic products out there, even though it would make me look "objectively better" (i.e. more desirable to women, more likely to get a good job or be promoted, etc).