Makeup

[Leeloo]

I like makeup. However, I’ve never understood the clownish, Instagram cut-out style makeup. No one in real life looks good in that, and I suppose as an art form it is what it is. But I do and always have enjoyed the fine art in itself of enhancing your own natural features. I appreciate the old school type of basic hygiene and present ability that I learned from the earliest, most effective influencer of the day, my mother.

I grew up with a mom embracing the values she has since passed on to me. This was and is a woman that enhanced her own natural beauty in an age where women let their husbands think they literally ‘woke up like that.’
My mom was the type of role model that woke up early, put on a natural face of light foundation, mascara, blush, and lip color. She got up even earlier than my dad (a tool and die shop guy) and put in 45+ minutes of exercise first thing in the morning. Every morning, save Sunday. Only after that routine did she see her husband off to work, got the kids up, made school lunches, and saw us kids to school.

This was the best kind of role model for me and for all women. To this day, I appreciate her example. It was only years later that I knew she touched up her roots to hide greys and never breathed a word to my dad or us kids. Growing up, I just thought she was so effortlessly pretty with a little help from the Mary Kay and Avon ladies.

 

[Starlight]

Some (many, imo) women use makeup to cover up poor health, imo. How a woman’s skin looks is indicative to her health. We can tell a lot about a woman from her natural skin: do they eat well, sleep enough, well hydrated, sun-overexposure?, poor diet, adult acne?, dark under-eye circles, smoker?, etc. I would posit that if makeup didn’t exist, more women would take better care of themselves because they would not be able to hide under makeup.

Edit: Add on top of that, the huge drag queen stripper eyelashes that are popular now. To any woman reading this: they look fake as hell and stupid. Everyone can tell they aren’t real.

 

[Camellia]

I like makeup. However, I’ve never understood the clownish, Instagram cut-out style makeup. No one in real life looks good in that, and I suppose as an art form it is what it is. But I do and always have enjoyed the fine art in itself of enhancing your own natural features. I appreciate the old school type of basic hygiene and present ability that I learned from the earliest, most effective influencer of the day, my mother.

I grew up with a mom embracing the values she has since passed on to me. This was and is a woman that enhanced her own natural beauty in an age where women let their husbands think they literally ‘woke up like that.’
My mom was the type of role model that woke up early, put on a natural face of light foundation, mascara, blush, and lip color. She got up even earlier than my dad (a tool and die shop guy) and put in 45+ minutes of exercise first thing in the morning. Every morning, save Sunday. Only after that routine did she see her husband off to work, got the kids up, made school lunches, and saw us kids to school.

This was the best kind of role model for me and for all women. To this day, I appreciate her example. It was only years later that I knew she touched up her roots to hide greys and never breathed a word to my dad or us kids. Growing up, I just thought she was so effortlessly pretty with a little help from the Mary Kay and Avon ladies.

I agree with you! To me, being bare-faced is like being naked and I wouldn't go out like that. The same way I put on clothes on, I put light make up on. I think this demonization of makeup is the result of the puritan-feminist culture of the West that rejects anything beautiful and it's just as radical as the other extreme of clown, drag queen type of makeup that we see on social media. Everything seems out of balance here. Every other traditional culture favors makeup in some form, so no, I don't think not wearing it makes women more virtuous.

 

[Atlas Shrugged]

I don’t think makeup is immodest unless overboard I just don’t understand it. It’s not you. I can see the whole trying to fake arousal only with blush and lipstick but that eye crap like mascara and eyeliner, well I don’t think your lashes grow or get darker and curled with an orgasm. I see it as pointless and a bit fake. I’m sure some women go light but the people I know around me look completely different with their mask off and that’s not cool. Now as a forever hormonal women who was lied to that acne goes away as a teen, well I have a years old concealer stick that probably needs to be updated but when it’s that time of the month I may need a dab or two if I have a pimple. I’ll be 100 and still have acne unless it stops with menopause. Maybe I’m wrong there but I don’t see that as makeup more like scar cover up? But hey if I’m wrong and covering up a zit makes me a ho let me know! I rhymed! Cause that’s all I have. And chapstick. Coconut chapstick. That’s it. Lastly when you see me out and about that’s how I look when I roll outta bed so no surprises there. I won’t ever look different.

 

[TexasJenn]

Edit: Add on top of that, the huge drag queen stripper eyelashes that are popular now. To any woman reading this: they look fake as hell and stupid. Everyone can tell they aren’t real.

I have sisters who were actual beauty pageant queens. I was always kind of freaked out by the fact that they look COMPLETELY different in the morning without makeup, like... almost lifeless, compared to the exaggerated makeup they wear during the day.

 

[Starlight]

I have sisters who were actual beauty pageant queens. I was always kind of freaked out by the fact that they look COMPLETELY different in the morning without makeup, like... almost lifeless, compared to the exaggerated makeup they wear during the day.

My SIL started getting the big fake eyelashes about six months ago and they look so ridiculous. I don’t know how a woman could glue those on and look in the mirror and think, “This is a good look. Now I can finally feel confident while buying groceries with my children…” The worst part is she goes to a place to have them done so they are semi-permanently glued to her eyelids. There’s been a few days that I’ve seen her without (much) make-up, but those giant eyelashes are still glued to her face. She also started getting lip plumping injections around the same time. Not a good look for anyone. It all looks so stupid: Giant fake eyebrows, giant fake eyelashes, giant fake hair extensions, giant fake boobs, giant fake lips unnaturally flapping around… How could anyone take a person like that seriously? …

Maybe they don’t want to be taken seriously?

 

[TexasJenn]

Not a good look for anyone. It all looks so stupid: Giant fake eyebrows, giant fake eyelashes, giant fake hair extensions, giant fake boobs, giant fake lips unnaturally flapping around… How could anyone take a person like that seriously? …

Maybe they don’t want to be taken seriously?

I don't know anyone in real life who gets any of these modifications, but I've seen videos about it online. I agree with you it's not a good look and tends to ruin natural appeal. I guess it's the cartoonish Kardashian aesthetic that some people like, the "more is more" philosophy, a hyper materialism. I suppose ultimately, these people want attention, want to communicate that they're "extra". I'd also guess that there's something off with them psychologically - something missing, so they feel they need to compensate for that with these cartoonish features.

Years ago, I tried a few times getting a free makeover at the mall or whatever from one of those women who'd pounce on me. Every time, I was horrified at the amount of makeup they'd slather on me. It always looked like I had black eyes, and as soon as I got away from her, I couldn't wipe it off fast enough. Now I steer far clear of those people!

 

[Rob Banks]

To me, being bare-faced is like being naked and I wouldn't go out like that.

So you're saying that your natural (God-given) look is shameful, and is something you need to hide?

And that other women should do the same?

Yes, I know the naked body is also "natural" and yet it is very much shameful to walk around naked. But that is in order to avoid inspiring lust in others, and to avoid offending others, because it is natural and God-ordained that we are not animals and we don't go around showing our naked bodies to people

But I don't see how a woman's natural face can inspire lust in men to the point that she needs to cover it up and hide it (this is what Muslims who wear full-face burkas believe).

And even if you did believe thar Muslims are correct and women should not show their faces in public, then I don't see how makeup addresses that issue. You are still showing your face. If any man is driven to lust by merely seeing a woman's face, I don't see how wearing makeup would stop this (if anything, it would be more likely to drive the man to lust).

So I don't really see the comparison between not wearing makeup and being naked.

It's one thing to say that makeup is not immodest. But it is entirely different to insinuate that women who don't wear makeup are being immodest (to the point that it is comparable to being naked).

 

[messaggera]

Lotions, olive oil, lavender, Frankincense and other floral treatments back in those days.

None of the modern chemical garbage and other modifications which as I said above ruins a woman's face in the long run.

If Men can be handsome without makeup but well groomed. It can be done by women.

This link provides information on the history of makeup use, and concludes with biblical references.

https://rcg.org/books/tthbm.html

An informative site, but always discern information that can be used to lead astray from the truth.

The site is how I found out about the Sudan military coup.

 

[Starlight]

This link provides information on the history of makeup use, and concludes with biblical references.

https://rcg.org/books/tthbm.html

An informative site, but always discern information that can be used to lead astray from the truth.

The site is how I found out about the Sudan military coup.

From that article:
“The last two decades have seen make-up progress from its early category of woman’s conceit to become an art and an integral part of feminine beauty and psychology. Chief credit for this about-face in the acceptance of widespread use of cosmetics should go to the motion picture industry, which set new standards of beauty and…brought new products and principles of application and use to the world’s women” (Encyclopedia Americana, Vol. 18, 1956 Edit., p. 157).

The (((motion picture industry)))… imagine my shock.

 

[soli.deo.gloria]

The (((motion picture industry)))… imagine my shock.

Shut it down.

 

[soli.deo.gloria]

So you're saying that your natural (God-given) look is shameful, and is something you need to hide?

And that other women should do the same?

Yes, I know the naked body is also "natural" and yet it is very much shameful to walk around naked. But that is in order to avoid inspiring lust in others, and to avoid offending others, because it is natural and God-ordained that we are not animals and we don't go around showing our naked bodies to people

But I don't see how a woman's natural face can inspire lust in men to the point that she needs to cover it up and hide it (this is what Muslims who wear full-face burkas believe).

And even if you did believe thar Muslims are correct and women should not show their faces in public, then I don't see how makeup addresses that issue. You are still showing your face. If any man is driven to lust by merely seeing a woman's face, I don't see how wearing makeup would stop this (if anything, it would be more likely to drive the man to lust).

So I don't really see the comparison between not wearing makeup and being naked.

It's one thing to say that makeup is not immodest. But it is entirely different to insinuate that women who don't wear makeup are being immodest (to the point that it is comparable to being naked).

Re: the Muslim & face covering stuff. It's maybe not such a bad idea. We have a similar rule here on this very forum if you didn't know. It prevents a lot of potential problems in terms of attention seeking behavior and improper interactions between men & women and the promotion of lust, vanity, etc. It also kind of reminds me of how anonymous image boards function in that you don't get a name or a fancy avatar and your content must stand on its own merits. Anyway Muslims have a lot of problems (obviously) but I don't think this is one of them. Their women are generally much more pious and modest than their western counterparts.

 

[Good_Shepherd]

What are your thoughts on makeup? No makeup? Some? I think most of us would agree that less is more... but...

Lately, women’s makeup has taken a very interesting turn with the rise of social media. Many of the current makeup trends are directly from drag queen Instagram posts and YouTube makeup tutorials. The “bold” eyebrows, ultra contoured cheeks, and huge fake eyelashes are the same techniques that men use in drag. It’s all costume makeup.

Makeup used to be a tool to highlight a woman’s natural face, not cover them up to look like a man in drag.

I don't like too much make up it makes a person look so fake & artificial, I want to see a persons true face a little eye pencil at most & maybe a subtle lip stick thats it, I tell my wife she actually doesn't need any make up she is already very beautiful.

 

[joy_grace]

Love makeup, but not too much. Natural light makeup is my to-go. Looking well-groomed and put together while still looking natural and effortless is my beauty ideal. For formal events, I like something that looks like this.

 

[Rob Banks]

Re: the Muslim & face covering stuff. It's maybe not such a bad idea. We have a similar rule here on this very forum if you didn't know. It prevents a lot of potential problems in terms of attention seeking behavior and improper interactions between men & women and the promotion of lust, vanity, etc. It also kind of reminds me of how anonymous image boards function in that you don't get a name or a fancy avatar and your content must stand on its own merits. Anyway Muslims have a lot of problems (obviously) but I don't think this is one of them. Their women are generally much more pious and modest than their western counterparts.

I think this aspect of Islam highlights the fact that in Islam, men are not expected to control their lust.

I mean, Jesus was celibate. Muhammad was...far from it.

In any case, my point was precisely that burkas are there in order to encourage virtue and discourage lust.

Makeup is not.

What woman puts on makeup and thinks to herself "how can I make myself less sexy so that men won't lust after me?"

That is why the comparison between not wearing makeup and nakedness doesn't make sense (regardless of your feelings/beliefs on makeup).

 

[bmw633]

"Fakeup" should be downright outlawed. Dated a gal once who looked totally different after the fakeup came off. smh, I couldn't believe how drastic the change was.

I still get the willies thinking about the woman I briefly dated. Once I saw her without makeup, it freaked me out. Thought she was a different person. Couldn't run away fast enough.

 

[guccigirl7]

I’m think the chemicals in makeup age the skin. I haven’t worn makeup but a handful of times the last few years and my skin Looks so much better. Even a few compliments at a family gathering las month (more than 1person asking me if I’d gotten Botox or something) no way, never! The older one gets, the less you can wear, imo. But if I do wear makeup it’s lightply applied foundation, mascara and lip gloss. I was very strict with my daughters, mascara and gloss only..they realized they had less acne problems than their peers and didn’t fight me on it. I think I did allow 2-3 special occcasions and they broke out badly right after! Not to mention, Makeup has gotten SO expensive.

 

[Kitty Tantrum]

This link provides information on the history of makeup use, and concludes with biblical references.

https://rcg.org/books/tthbm.html

An informative site, but always discern information that can be used to lead astray from the truth.

Eheheheheh, I like that article. It has a very good tl;dr.

I'm a believer in what I'm going to call "Subtractive Cosmetology."

For a woman to look her best, she should remove all that is unneeded, unwanted, unattractive:

- fat (basic health and fitness)
- hair (shaving, plucking, waxing/sugaring, also cutting and maintaining the hair on the head so that it falls attractively without the need for damaging or unhealthy styling products and devices)
- sweat, oils, dirt, anything that causes unpleasant odors etc. (including good dental hygiene)
- dead skin, blemishes, rough or broken nails
- anything in the diet that negatively impacts the appearance and regeneration of skin, hair, nails, etc.

"Additive Cosmetology" in the properly-ordered sense, should not be things like paint, implants, surgeries, etc. It should be:

- correct diet
- sufficient hydration
- adequate rest
- plenty of sunlight
- regular physical activities which accentuate the feminine form

If anything is going to be applied to the skin, it should be safe for ingestion as well.

 

[Camellia]

I think this aspect of Islam highlights the fact that in Islam, men are not expected to control their lust.

I mean, Jesus was celibate. Muhammad was...far from it.

In any case, my point was precisely that burkas are there in order to encourage virtue and discourage lust.

Makeup is not.

What woman puts on makeup and thinks to herself "how can I make myself less sexy so that men won't lust after me?"

That is why the comparison between not wearing makeup and nakedness doesn't make sense (regardless of your feelings/beliefs on makeup).

It might not make sense to you, and that's okay. But don't think you have the authority to tell others that they're immoral because you personally don't like something. This is not God's judgment, this is your judgment.

 

[NickK]

It might not make sense to you, and that's okay. But don't think you have the authority to tell others that they're immoral because you personally don't like something. This is not God's judgment, this is your judgment.

It's God's judgement.