Makeup

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
It might not make sense to you, and that's okay. But don't think you have the authority to tell others that they're immoral because you personally don't like something. This is not God's judgment, this is your judgment.
It's God's judgement.
Isaiah 3:16-26
16 The Lord said:
Because the daughters of Zion are haughty
and walk with outstretched necks,
glancing wantonly with their eyes,
mincing along as they go,
tinkling with their feet,
17 therefore the Lord will strike with a scab
the heads of the daughters of Zion,
and the Lord will lay bare their secret parts.
18 In that day the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the headbands, and the crescents; 19 the pendants, the bracelets, and the scarves; 20 the headdresses, the armlets, the sashes, the perfume boxes, and the amulets; 21 the signet rings and nose rings; 22 the festal robes, the mantles, the cloaks, and the handbags; 23 the mirrors, the linen garments, the turbans, and the veils.

24 Instead of perfume there will be rottenness;
and instead of a belt, a rope;
and instead of well-set hair, baldness;
and instead of a rich robe, a skirt of sackcloth;
and branding instead of beauty.
25 Your men shall fall by the sword
and your mighty men in battle.
26 And her gates shall lament and mourn;
empty, she shall sit on the ground.
 

messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
this demonization of makeup is the result of the puritan-feminist culture of the West that rejects anything beautiful and it's just as radical as the other extreme of clown, drag queen type of makeup that we see on social media.
No. It is not.
And it is disappointing to hear a Christian woman make such a statement.

Every other traditional culture favors makeup in some form, so no, I don't think not wearing it makes women more virtuous.

The definition of virtuous points to high moral standards.

In this regard (appearance) a woman who does not wear makeup does have higher moral standards because she accepts her natural appearance.

Some cultures are more accepting of sexualization; that fact is hard to dispute.

What woman puts on makeup and thinks to herself "how can I make myself less sexy so that men won't lust after me?"

That is why the comparison between not wearing makeup and nakedness doesn't make sense (regardless of your feelings/beliefs on makeup).
Valid point.
Makeup draws attention to the face.

Some women feel the need to wear makeup as part of who she is (and may look better), and some women accept their appearance without makeup.

Personal Observation has shown a confident smile that lights up the face with a friendly approachable personality is more attractive than [beautiful] makeup.

Makeup is about natural appearance verses enhanced appearance. And our natural appearance is beautiful when we treat our body as holy temples - Avoiding toxins applied and ingested.
 

Ah_Tibor

Pelican
Woman
Orthodox
I put a touch of blush and lipstick on for work if I go in early to avoid people asking me if I'm sick (not sick, just pale). I was a bit tired recently and my mil asked my husband if I had coof.

I don't wear it in everyday life and my general sentiment is well, sorry if you don't like my face, haha. (I did get catcalled the other night while walking with my son, so according to a random white guy vaping and blasting Spanish house music, I look ok.) I think when you cross the line of looking unnatural or unlike yourself is where it gets immodest.
 

joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
There are female feminists who don't like to wear makeup and don't care about their appearance. They also resent other women for wearing makeup and looking beautiful/feminine. Do you think these feminists have higher moral standards? I also know some other (not-so-feminists) women who are not into makeup or beauty, and I don't think they exhibit a high moral standards in their life either.
 

Starlight

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
There are female feminists who don't like to wear makeup and don't care about their appearance. They also resent other women for wearing makeup and looking beautiful/feminine. Do you think these feminists have higher moral standards? I also know some other (not-so-feminists) women who are not into makeup or beauty, and I don't think they exhibit a high moral standards in their life either.
Why a feminist might choose to not wear makeup has no relevance to why a Christian woman should not wear makeup. Christians are told to reject vanity and pride and to be modest. That some other women do this by chance is irrelevant to Christian morality and virtue.
 

Atlas Shrugged

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
There are female feminists who don't like to wear makeup and don't care about their appearance. They also resent other women for wearing makeup and looking beautiful/feminine. Do you think these feminists have higher moral standards? I also know some other (not-so-feminists) women who are not into makeup or beauty, and I don't think they exhibit a high moral standards in their life either.
The crazy thing is the radical feminists actually get some things right. About birth. Don’t lay down to push your baby out cause of this thing called gravity and don’t cut the cord immediately and labor is supposed to be work so stop drugging yourself and your baby. They are against birth control which is smart. I was actually shocked I agreed with those crazy gals on anything. But as for everything else they are nuts. Look I don’t care if you don’t wear make up, cause I don’t, I just think it’s silly. They call it slave paint or oppression schmear. They call heels rape shoes. I don’t care if you don’t want to shave. Although taking off all you hair is weird. You do you. But they will shriek if you shave anything and put chapstick on. Those rad fems are good entertainment.
 

joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
Why a feminist might choose to not wear makeup has no relevance to why a Christian woman should not wear makeup. Christians are told to reject vanity and pride and to be modest. That some other women do this by chance is irrelevant to Christian morality and virtue.

My comment was a respond to the statement that women who don't wear makeup have higher moral virtues. It wasn't stated which women, so people would assume that means all women. Also the fact that some women wearing makeup because they value beauty and femininity, not out of pride and vanity (these women usually using makeup moderately). The initial statement about the morality of women and makeup bears the same fallacy as "AWALT."
 

joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
The crazy thing is the radical feminists actually get some things right. About birth. Don’t lay down to push your baby out cause of this thing called gravity and don’t cut the cord immediately and labor is supposed to be work so stop drugging yourself and your baby. They are against birth control which is smart. I was actually shocked I agreed with those crazy gals on anything. But as for everything else they are nuts. Look I don’t care if you don’t wear make up, cause I don’t, I just think it’s silly. They call it slave paint or oppression schmear. They call heels rape shoes. I don’t care if you don’t want to shave. Although taking off all you hair is weird. You do you. But they will shriek if you shave anything and put chapstick on. Those rad fems are good entertainment.

They're all about controlling others. That's the most problematic thing about them, besides their lack of virtues.
 

messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
The initial statement about the morality of women and makeup bears the same fallacy as "AWALT."

[sincere] What was the "initial statement" made about moral standards and makeup/appearance?
Quoting a poster's content to introduce a rebuttal allows for clarification on the argument.

Valuing/prioritizing is a measurement in behavioural sciences:

Also the fact that some women wearing makeup because they value beauty and femininity, not out of pride and vanity (these women usually using makeup moderately).

This is not a strong argument for wearing makeup: to value beauty and to value femininity.
Men have and do wear makeup; and valuing /prioritizing beauty over health is vanity.

My statements (higher moral standards in appearance as a virtue) were made based on a measurable (high, moderate, low) variable defined by Christian terms: Straight and narrow (Biblical life), Theological virtues Purity (natural), etc. We are on a Christian Forum.

My comment was a respond to the statement that women who don't wear makeup have higher moral virtues.

The comment/prompt turned the topic to: makeup and level of virtue within the secular population - specifically using the term feminist as the comparison to Christian women.

Do you think these feminists have higher moral standards?

There are feminists who have higher moral standards for the sanctity of life than some Catholics I know.

Valids points:

I want to see a persons true face a little eye pencil at most & maybe a subtle lip stick thats it, I tell my wife she actually doesn't need any make up she is already very beautiful.

I think when you cross the line of looking unnatural or unlike yourself is where it gets immodest.
#
Some of the comments on this thread come across as emotional.
 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Feminists who have higher moral standards? Feminists have basically rebelled against how God made them, almost reminds me how God made lucifer to be an angel UNDER God but Lucifer rejected that & wanted to be God, or like a cow not happy with what God made it for and preferring to be and act like another animal, theres no moral standards there
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
[sincere] What was the "initial statement" made about moral standards and makeup/appearance?
Quoting a poster's content to introduce a rebuttal allows for clarification on the argument.

Valuing/prioritizing is a measurement in behavioural sciences:

This is not a strong argument for wearing makeup: to value beauty and to value femininity.
Men have and do wear makeup; and valuing /prioritizing beauty over health is vanity.

My statements (higher moral standards in appearance as a virtue) were made based on a measurable (high, moderate, low) variable defined by Christian terms: Straight and narrow (Biblical life), Theological virtues Purity (natural), etc. We are on a Christian Forum.
Also the fact that some women wearing makeup because they value beauty and femininity, not out of pride and vanity (these women usually using makeup moderately). The initial statement about the morality of women and makeup bears the same fallacy as "AWALT."

The Scriptures emphases the character of the women in question over their use of makeup,jewelry and fine clothes. Their examples of femininity is derived from Holy Women like Sarah at her best and Ruth who demonstrated femininity by their character and actions(1 Peter 3:3-6)
3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair or gold jewelry or fine clothes, 4but from the inner disposition of your heart, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. 5For this is how the holy women of the past adorned themselves. They put their hope in God and were submissive to their husbands, 6just as Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. And you are her children if you do what is right and refuse to give way to fear.

Plus women also demonstrate their discipline by taking measures to keep their bodies in shape. Which is in one sense character contributing to physical beauty.
 

Starlight

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
Also the fact that some women wearing makeup because they value beauty and femininity, not out of pride and vanity (these women usually using makeup moderately).
We are made in the image and likeness of God. How arrogant for someone to think that they can improve upon God’s own work.

Messaggera already posted a link regarding a brief history of makeup and how it’s modern usage in the West is a cultural anomaly originating in the 20th century that has Talmudic origins. Longstory short, you are being deceived by Satan that a woman with flesh colored dirt rubbed on her skin and colored pigments smeared over her eyes is somehow more beautiful than a woman’s natural God-given face.
 
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messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
Disclaimer:
Feminism is a manifestation of a very old (enemy's) occult strategy to obtain dominance:
Removing God destroys the family and country (culture-heritage).

An observation over the years: The topic of feminism as a conversation can be negatively exhausting, can turn divisive and judgemental among women; and wastes time focusing on the manifestation rather than the problem. And many have profited/ benefited from feminism with the expense of (1) losing a virtue, or (2) generalizing a personal judgement.

Matthew 7:1-6

Many women have become lost when embracing feminism concepts.
Feminism is why there is transgenderism.

Feminism has turned into bashing men, and even persecuting Christian women, rather than strengthening the feminist's flawed message of "women's rights are human rights."

Why flawed? Americans already have a document that protects human rights. Better energy would be spent on protecting the Constitution/Bill of Rights - where "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”


Feminists who have higher moral standards? Feminists have basically rebelled against how God made them, almost reminds me how God made lucifer to be an angel UNDER God but Lucifer rejected that & wanted to be God, or like a cow not happy with what God made it for and preferring to be and act like another animal, theres no moral standards there

Yes. Depending on the individual one can have a higher moral standard within an issue. Take the issue of transgenderism with men in women spaces, or more radical the sexual mutilation of children. There are "feminists" who do not condone transgenderism, and have the same standards as Christian women on this issue.

Placing labels on individuals puts them in a generalized group; and neglects addressing the same issues that Christian women would agree are morally wrong and offensive to God.

Not all souls can be saved, but we should do our best to do Christ's work, and perhaps while doing so lead a lost soul to Christ.
Does God not use flawed people to reclaim the world and to bring individuals to Him?
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
You can remove blackheads by tweaking your diet:


Harmful women's products:


He got plenty of other good videos in regards to health and the impacts on appearance.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Disclaimer:


Many women have become lost when embracing feminism concepts.
Feminism is why there is transgenderism.

Feminism has turned into bashing men, and even persecuting Christian women, rather than strengthening the feminist's flawed message of "women's rights are human rights."

Why flawed? Americans already have a document that protects human rights. Better energy would be spent on protecting the Constitution/Bill of Rights - where "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”




Yes. Depending on the individual one can have a higher moral standard within an issue. Take the issue of transgenderism with men in women spaces, or more radical the sexual mutilation of children. There are "feminists" who do not condone transgenderism, and have the same standards as Christian women on this issue.

Placing labels on individuals puts them in a generalized group; and neglects addressing the same issues that Christian women would agree are morally wrong and offensive to God.

Not all souls can be saved, but we should do our best to do Christ's work, and perhaps while doing so lead a lost soul to Christ.
Does God not use flawed people to reclaim the world and to bring individuals to Him?

Like the many if not all ploys of the satanic it always contains fragments of the Truth but not all the truth. But given its results it goes to show that there is poison mixed in with sugar.

As I posted elsewhere this ideology's origins are already evil. Even back in the days of the suffragettes.

It is a Satanic imitation of the real thing. Like how utopia is the attempted imitation of God's paradise.

In reality, anything out of balance, and proportion has cascading impacts that results in everything less than paradise.

Such is the fleshly attempt at righteousness but without the formative power and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Only with the deception of sin and evil powers can abortion be seen as healthcare for example. And opposition to this evil be seen as being anti-female.

And actual grievances gets used to actually perpetuate even more injustice. Leading to aforementioned bitterness about the topic.

God's Word is indeed true about our Righteousness. Filthy rags(Isaiah 64:6). So many of those activists are deceived about their own righteousness and the righteousness of their cause.

But their foundation isn't Christ. And they don't have God's Spirit to guide them. That they can see clearly.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit has already and is continuing to achieve the aims of human rights for women starting with the Roman Empire:

Starting from surviving as babies to the dignities afforded them when grown up as adults. As per the dignity of humanity made in God's image and the practice of Agape shown by our Lord himself as an example to achieve all this.

Far more has been done for women and the rights of all Humanity than all those activists could have done. Throughout the ages.
 

Elspeth

Sparrow
Woman
Protestant
It might not make sense to you, and that's okay. But don't think you have the authority to tell others that they're immoral because you personally don't like something. This is not God's judgment, this is your judgment.
No one has the authority here to tell you what is or is not God's judgment, because no one here on this forum is a priest/pastor (at least according to my knowledge). With that said, not everyone is trying to, simply because you enjoy some light makeup. As you can tell, there is a wide variety of Christians here with varying beliefs on literally everything under the sun. Just because one Christian feels one way about something based upon their understanding of a theological concept, doesn't mean they're judging you or accusing you of "not being a good Christian" because you disagree with them. I promise you that most people here mean no harm.

P.S. I love me a little makeup, too. ;) And my husband is the only one that gets to have an opinion about it on my face. I've enjoyed switching up my style here and there to suit his tastes.
 

messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
No one has the authority here to tell you what is or is not God's judgment, because no one here on this forum is a priest/pastor (at least according to my knowledge). With that said, not everyone is trying to, simply because you enjoy some light makeup. As you can tell, there is a wide variety of Christians here with varying beliefs on literally everything under the sun. Just because one Christian feels one way about something based upon their understanding of a theological concept, doesn't mean they're judging you or accusing you of "not being a good Christian" because you disagree with them. I promise you that most people here mean no harm.

Certain individual beliefs may vary, but orthodox beliefs are standard in this forum.

A theological argument has been provided within this thread about women wearing makeup.
Here is an argument for personal health and well-being:

Makeup is a liability, not an asset. Unless one could present a statement where makeup is an asset while avoiding the application of impurities to healthy skin?

P.S. I love me a little makeup, too. ;) And my husband is the only one that gets to have an opinion about it on my face. I've enjoyed switching up my style here and there to suit his tastes.


As a wife it depends on the husband’s preference, it would be assumed most husbands would prefer a natural healthy look; and not having their wives reduce to damaging her skin for appearance.

I happen to agree with the following poster about health. It seems harsh, but at least the argument takes in the consideration being truthful.

I think women taking care of their health is a better guarantee of long-term beauty than makeup. The chemicals in a lot of makeup may actually end up damaging and aging skin as well as impacting women's health in general.

As for the latest trends. I am sure that it is greatly astroturfed by corporations with agendas to make women look like androgynous Men.

It is Satanic to be honest. Just my opinion.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Certain individual beliefs may vary, but orthodox beliefs are standard in this forum.

A theological argument has been provided within this thread about women wearing makeup.
Here is an argument for personal health and well-being:

Makeup is a liability, not an asset. Unless one could present a statement where makeup is an asset while avoiding the application of impurities to healthy skin?




As a wife it depends on the husband’s preference, it would be assumed most husbands would prefer a natural healthy look; and not having their wives reduce to damaging her skin for appearance.

I happen to agree with the following poster about health. It seems harsh, but at least the argument takes in the consideration being truthful.


The body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Sacred to God. Therefore it is our responsibility to ensure its health whilst on the earth.

To defile the body with poisons and toxins from said products is to defile this Holy Temple(1 Corinthians 6:19-20). Which God will redeem in the future in Resurrection(Romans 8).

Paul was addressing how sexual immorality defiles the Temple. But today there are other ways that it will also be dishonored and defiled by toxic chemicals.

You don't dump garbage in a Temple of God.
 
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Elspeth

Sparrow
Woman
Protestant
Certain individual beliefs may vary, but orthodox beliefs are standard in this forum.

A theological argument has been provided within this thread about women wearing makeup.
Here is an argument for personal health and well-being:

Makeup is a liability, not an asset. Unless one could present a statement where makeup is an asset while avoiding the application of impurities to healthy skin?




As a wife it depends on the husband’s preference, it would be assumed most husbands would prefer a natural healthy look; and not having their wives reduce to damaging her skin for appearance.

I happen to agree with the following poster about health. It seems harsh, but at least the argument takes in the consideration being truthful.
Just because Orthodox beliefs are standard, does not mean that other beliefs will not be shared because non-Orthodox Christians are currently allowed on this forum. Until the mods decide that only Orthodox Christians are allowed, then it doesn't matter who's beliefs are the majority in terms of what can or cannot be shared, as long as it adheres to the current forum guidelines.

I'm glad you enjoy your preference for being make-up free.
 
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