Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Disappearance

Laner

Crow
Protestant
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RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

A 777 is worth probably $300 million.

Terrorism does not have to be about attention whoring. This could just be a crazy heist.

I still think some kingpin is now the proud owner of a jet. Makes for a better story.
 

samsamsam

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Laner said:
A 777 is worth probably $300 million.

Terrorism does not have to be about attention whoring. This could just be a crazy heist.

I still think some kingpin is now the proud owner of a jet. Makes for a better story.

I was thinking the same thing. Could just be a heist.

If you see a craigslist ad for a 777 report it. :)

On a serious note, it could be funding for the other operations they want to pull. Or worse yet, they rig it with explosives and it is a massive massive missile.
 

Laner

Crow
Protestant
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

samsamsam said:
Laner said:
A 777 is worth probably $300 million.

Terrorism does not have to be about attention whoring. This could just be a crazy heist.

I still think some kingpin is now the proud owner of a jet. Makes for a better story.

I was thinking the same thing. Could just be a heist.

If you see a craigslist ad for a 777 report it. :)

On a serious note, it could be funding for the other operations they want to pull. Or worse yet, they rig it with explosives and it is a massive massive missile.

How long until the air traffic control would know that the inbound jet is "bogus"? If they do not know until its too late, then yeah it could be used as a missile. A very expensive one though.

Soviet "Grinch" missile launchers can be found on the black market a whole shit load go missing from places like Libya and Syria during turmoil. Probably $100,000 each.
 

cardguy

 
Banned
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

@Speakeasy

— Accidental shoot-down by some country's military. In July 1988, the United States Navy missile cruiser USS Vincennes accidently shot down an Iran Air flight, killing all 290 passengers and crew. In September 1983, a Korean Air Lines flight was shot down by a Russian fighter jet.

Iran retaliated to that accidental shooting by bombing a US passenger plane and killing 270 people over the Scottish town of Lockerbie 5 months later.

I have a couple of long posts on it in the Conspiracy Theory thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-31466.html
 

samsamsam

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Laner said:
samsamsam said:
Laner said:
A 777 is worth probably $300 million.

Terrorism does not have to be about attention whoring. This could just be a crazy heist.

I still think some kingpin is now the proud owner of a jet. Makes for a better story.

I was thinking the same thing. Could just be a heist.

If you see a craigslist ad for a 777 report it. :)

On a serious note, it could be funding for the other operations they want to pull. Or worse yet, they rig it with explosives and it is a massive massive missile.

How long until the air traffic control would know that the inbound jet is "bogus"? If they do not know until its too late, then yeah it could be used as a missile. A very expensive one though.

Soviet "Grinch" missile launchers can be found on the black market a whole shit load go missing from places like Libya and Syria during turmoil. Probably $100,000 each.

LOL, how you know so much about used prices on military hardware?

Of course the random plane on radar would get checked out. But somehow it also disappeared off radar also. Reasonably, it probably crashed. But if somehow it flew to a spot to land undetected, I would guess that could be used to let it be a missile. Just random talk here, not trying to turn this into how to hide a 777 conversation.

But this is just such a weird event.
 

Stun

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

samsamsam said:
If you see a craigslist ad for a 777 report it. :)

I'm seriously tempted to create one now. :razz:

Like others have said, it would be great news to hear this was just a heist and the plane was landed on some remote islands.
 

Espresso

Woodpecker
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

samsamsam said:
Of course the random plane on radar would get checked out. But somehow it also disappeared off radar also. Reasonably, it probably crashed. But if somehow it flew to a spot to land undetected,

Was it ever being tracked by radar over the sea, in the traditional sense of the word? I think the plane was actively sending out signals with its transponder, and that's how the they were 'tracking' it. Not by the ground stations sending out signals and looking at the reflection from the planes. So it's not that the plane suddenly disappeared, but that it suddenly stopped emitting it's own signal.

But apparently the Malaysian military independently picked up the plane on its own radar (by sending out signals and looking at the reflections from everything around) and that's where the reports of the plane's further movements came from.

At least so is my understanding.
 

certifiable

 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

It is weird. I think the actual story, once it is found out, may even be weirder.

Methinks that James Bond's arch-nemesis Blofeld is up to his usual dastardly deeds and has invented some device that sucks planes out of the sky using remote control to land it. He has leased an island in the area from The Man With The Golden Gun and this island has a volcano that opens up and swallows the plane whole. He has the plane now and will soon get on the airwaves demanding "1 Million Dollars". James Bond has since been deployed in the area by the British govt by launching him out of a submarine's torpedo launcher.

Other scenario is that the gray aliens are up to their usual dastardly deeds and have sucked up the plane into their humongous mothership where they're doing human experiments on those poor people, inserting probes into their bodies and stuff. A week from now, they'll be found drifting on their lifeboats in the middle of the ocean with no recollection of what happened, having their memories completely erased. The women find themselves prego with some alien child.
 

JoyStick

Pelican
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

ASOT said:
Reuters is reporting the plane was tracked by Malaysian military flying at a lower altitude over the Malacca Straits after turning around past Kota Bharu (on the east coast). It is reported its transponders and tracking systems were turned off and thus it was only able to be tracked by military primary radar, hence why it went missing from civilian secondary trackers. It is not clear from the reporting whether it was tracked having dropped 1000m (3000ft) from its cruising altitude, or whether it was tracked at an altitude of 1000m.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/malaysia-airlines-idUSL2N0M725520140311

If you consider this fact then this map will show the entire range it could have reached with its fuel load.

This certainly leaves open speculation to conspiracy. But a more straight forward turn of events proposed by a pprune member seems possible:
-A bomb or fire crippled the comms, tracking systems and/or mechanical systems but left the plane flyable.
-At an altitude of 35000 ft the pilots turned back to land.
-The nearest east coast airports WMKN/TGG & WMKC/KBR may have been too close to safely descend and land given the fact it was night and the possible state the plane was in.
-Thus the pilots made the turn and track towards the west coast whilst descending with the intention to land at WMKP/PEN (Penang) or WMKK/KUL (Kuala Lumpur). KUL has well known procedures for making a landing in a situation of lost radio communications.
-At some point in the emergency approach things may have taken a turn for the worse and the plane ended up crashed into the water.

If you assume this then the plane could be anywhere from 25m to 100m under water. Given the Asian idea of saving face, Malaysia might have withheld this information having considered the idea of China or Vietnam discovering the wreckage a huge embarrassment and much worse than delaying the truth for a few days.






Now for some RVF related revelations. A woman has come forward to say that the copilot had invited them into the cockpit on a previous flight.

“Throughout the entire flight they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight which I don’t think they’re allowed to do,” Ms Roos said.

“They were so engaged in conversation that he took my friends hand and he was looking at her palm and said ‘your hand is very creased. That means you’re a very creative person’ and commented on her nail polish.”

(Palm reading game recognised)

Mr Hamid identified the South African natives as they waited in the boarding queue at Phuket airport in December 2011.

As they took their seats on the aircraft, an air steward approached the women and invited them to join the pilots in the cockpit.

Massive DHV

Hopefully these womanizing pilots are chilling at some secret poosy paradise somewhere.
 

Simple Man

Kingfisher
Catholic
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Honestly can't wrap my head around this and what happened.

My theory is an explosion in or near the cockpit that damaged the structure of the plane and severely injured/killed the pilots. Either a pilot or another crew member made an effort to turn the plane around and land it at the closest airport, perhaps they fell unconscious due to the smoke throughout the cabin.. Plane glided across Malaysia before eventually crashing somewhere in the Malacca strait, sinking straight to the bottom (which could be as deep as 1.5km)

I'm probably way off but there you go. I don't buy the pilot suicide/terrorist theories.

Is it possible for communication systems to fail given an explosion in/near the cock pit?
 

bojangles

Crow
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RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Espresso said:
samsamsam said:
Of course the random plane on radar would get checked out. But somehow it also disappeared off radar also. Reasonably, it probably crashed. But if somehow it flew to a spot to land undetected,

Was it ever being tracked by radar over the sea, in the traditional sense of the word? I think the plane was actively sending out signals with its transponder, and that's how the they were 'tracking' it. Not by the ground stations sending out signals and looking at the reflection from the planes. So it's not that the plane suddenly disappeared, but that it suddenly stopped emitting it's own signal.

But apparently the Malaysian military independently picked up the plane on its own radar (by sending out signals and looking at the reflections from everything around) and that's where the reports of the plane's further movements came from.

At least so is my understanding.

I think you're right here, that's what we've learned so far though the press conference today has just added to the confusion
 

AntiTrace

Ostrich
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

In the movie Con Air they took the transponder out of an aircraft and wired it into a different plane, causing the authorities to track down the bogus plane while they made an escape.

I don't know the feasibility of that, but that would make for a hell of a story. Regardless something will probably turn up, it will just take a while. The search area is around 27,000 sq miles. That's a massive area to be searched for what now may be nothing more than a couple pieces of floating debris. It may even take a two year search like the Air France flight did.
 

Stun

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Has China lifted a finger yet in the search and rescue effort, given the number of Chinese citizens on board? And if not, where is the public and media outcry?

Can you imagine a plane of US citizens headed to the US vanishing, and the gov't not doing anything? They'd call for Obama's head on a stick.
 

samsamsam

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Yes, China has put in many resources. A quick search shows this for today "Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: China deploys 10 satellites to help air-and-sea search"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...search-for-missing-malaysian-jetliner/5312848

From what I have gathered, China is very protective of its citizens and has no problem using force. Part of it is to show the world what a power it is.

It also doesn't mind using force on its own people.

Sort of like, only we are allowed to hurt our own people.
 

ASOT

Sparrow
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Something interesting I read on pprune:
spmd11:

I don't normally speculate (I'm a heavy Captain for a US airline with a lot of overwater experience in an ac like the 777), but I will add this, with CPDLC, HF, VHF, ACARS and SATCOM, I'll find some way to get a message out under duress.. especially CPDLC, for it's a couple of key strokes.. would take me.. 5 seconds, tops
my theories fall into these two areas:
1. Hi-jack (terrorism from outside or crew)
2. Hypoxia event leading to incapacitation of all life on board.. (has happened in the past)



Sugar said:
Has China lifted a finger yet in the search and rescue effort, given the number of Chinese citizens on board? And if not, where is the public and media outcry?

Can you imagine a plane of US citizens headed to the US vanishing, and the gov't not doing anything? They'd call for Obama's head on a stick.

I believe China had ships and/or aircraft in the Gulf of Thailand where the initial search effort was concentrated. Not sure whats happening now. And yes, I could imagine a plane of US citizens heading to the US vanishing and the govt not doing anything. Just like when the diplomats in Libya were under attack and the government failed to send reinforcements. It is unlikely though but combine the right combination of bureaucratic incompetence, with the right combination of potential political gain or loss and its certainly possible.
 

ASOT

Sparrow
Gold Member
RE: Malaysia Airlines Flight Missing Over Vietnam

Another interesting thought

I am still puzzled about the two individuals with the stolen European passports being portraied by the Malaysian authorities as innocent refugees from Iran, one who was going to visit his mother living in Francfort.

a) They bought their tickets together in Thailand against cash paid by 3rd person, who has not been found and questioned so far.
b) They made their way into Malaysia well before the departure of MH 370.
c) They were travelling on fake European passports, supplied by " human trafficker ring" based in SE-Asia
d) They definitely would be immediately arrested when arriving in AMS showing their stolen passports which are in the Schengen database and possibly be sent back. Don't think that they were not aware of this. In short they would never made it to their final destinations in CPH or FRA.
e) Dutch border officers speak very well German and regularly extend a friendly greeting to you, so you must speak perfect flawless German ( Austrian ) to pass this hurdle especially using a surname which is only common in small area in Austia.

I think that wer are mislead by the authorities ( who admitted that they failed to connect into the Interpol database ) for reasons I don't know.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-117.html#post8369337
 
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