Man choked on subway - Jordan Neely

[Going strong]

He didn't have 40 assaults. He had 40+ arrests,

Yes, meaning he had been quite certainly involved in, like 200 felonies or criminal acts throughout his life. If not more.

Well yes, you don't expect him to have been caught every time he assaulted or robbed someone? Most criminals get caught say, once each 5 crimes. No way they're caught all the times they've committed a bad deed.

So a violent dude with "40+" arrests, has probably behind him a decade or two of regular, weekly crimes. Getting caught when unlucky. And never repenting.

Also, in any normal society, you get arrested more than ten or twenty times by the police, you're not to be seen ever again. Not that I'd necessarily approve, but, that's the way it is in normal places. The cops have seen your face in their patrol car more than 20 times, they gonna drive you somewhere at night, and... Once again, I'm not saying it's a legitimate way of proceeding, I'm just describing how other countries operate.

 

[budoslavic]

He didn't have 40 assaults. He had 40+ arrests, most of which were nonviolent and one which was an actual felony assault where he punched a 67 year old woman. I can't find his entire arrest record online, but that's what it seems. The guy was no altar boy for sure, but as of this point it doesn't appear that he physically threatened or assaulted anyone that day.

He was mentally ill and possibly demonically possessed.

You will have a difficult time finding Neely's criminal records online due to the "criminal justice reform" nonsense where the Elite groups - i.e., Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, Koch Industries, etc. - pushed for giving criminals a second chance as well as removal of the online criminal records. This was back in 2017-2018.

 

[Cuchulainn2016]

He didn't have 40 assaults. He had 40+ arrests, most of which were nonviolent and one which was an actual felony assault where he punched a 67 year old woman. I can't find his entire arrest record online, but that's what it seems. The guy was no altar boy for sure, but as of this point it doesn't appear that he physically threatened or assaulted anyone that day.

He was mentally ill and possibly demonically possessed.

Yeah, I have to completely disagree with you there, and earlier, he was a scumbag and, he deserved to die.

One of his arrests was when he was caught after kidnapping a 7(?) year old girl and he was caught dragging her up an alley. The only conclusion I can draw from that is that he was probably a paedo, so, good riddance.

That may not be very christian of me, but I can see no redemption, in my eyes, for any kind of child abuser.

 

[budoslavic]

Jordan Neely's uncle who called for no plea deal for Daniel Penny over subway chokehold death is arrested in NYC 'after being caught with knife and several stolen credit cards'​

• Jordan Neely's uncle Christopher Neely, 44, was arrested Monday after being caught with several allegedly stolen credit cards and a gravity knife
• Police charged Neely with criminal possession of stolen property, resisting arrest, bail jumping and unlawful possession of a weapon
• This came a day after he spoke out to say if Daniel Penny gets a plea deal, the former Marine may kill another young man on the subway

Jordan Neely's uncle who called for no plea deal is ARRESTED

Jordan Neely's uncle Christopher Neely, 44, was arrested Monday after being caught with several allegedly stolen credit cards.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Easy_C]

Yeah, I have to completely disagree with you there, and earlier, he was a scumbag and, he deserved to die.

One of his arrests was when he was caught after kidnapping a 7(?) year old girl and he was caught dragging her up an alley. The only conclusion I can draw from that is that he was probably a paedo, so, good riddance.

That may not be very christian of me, but I can see no redemption, in my eyes, for any kind of child abuser.

Eh. There's a difference between indulging in vindictive emotions, and being glad that a threat to public safety has been removed. It's important to distguish between the two feelings if one is to fulfill any kind of "protector" vocation well.

If you are in that kind of job you split. For example if a suicide bomber gets shot it's a good thing that he wasn't able to kill any of your guys but it's still a tragedy that someone had to die in order to achieve that outcome.

 

[RowdyRoddySniper]

These incidents will only continue to get worse. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

Let a black go on a rampage and Caucasian women and blacks will blame Caucasian males for letting it happen. Eliminate the threat and save the public and Caucasian women and blacks will tar you a racist and demand imprisonment.

 

[Hannibal]

Jordan Neely's uncle who called for no plea deal for Daniel Penny over subway chokehold death is arrested in NYC 'after being caught with knife and several stolen credit cards'​

Jordan Neely's uncle who called for no plea deal is ARRESTED

Jordan Neely's uncle Christopher Neely, 44, was arrested Monday after being caught with several allegedly stolen credit cards.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If I was writing a story about a criminal and put this detail in there, people would say it was unrealistic.

 

[Going strong]

If I was writing a story about a criminal and put this detail in there, people would say it was unrealistic.

Unrealistic, and racist, don't forget the blatant perpetuation of racist biases here, what with the Black criminal uncle (younger than the nephew) in your story. Your editor would disallow you. You'd be ruined and jobless.

In any case, the funniest thing is that the uncle could not help himself. He knew he had to stop committing crimes for a few days to avoid public scrutiny, but, no, he couldn't resist the temptation to go rob people with a knife. Even with the eyes of the nation on him. These people are hooked on crime.

Anyway, in the country I'm in, there's a very good law, in situations like this. It's called, Accidental Excess in Self Defense (punished in general by 3 years, suspended sentence, no real jail time). So that one doesn't get a manslaughter charge. The Marine is probably in this situation, an accidental excess (his choke hold being a bit too long) while in a situation of self defense.

 

[Gimlet]

You will have a difficult time finding Neely's criminal records online due to the "criminal justice reform" nonsense where the Elite groups - i.e., Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, Koch Industries, etc. - pushed for giving criminals a second chance as well as removal of the online criminal records. This was back in 2017-2018.

No, this is NYC. They stopped allowing the publishing of mugshots over 10 years ago. If I recall correctly, it was to protect celebrities who have a right to earn money on their likenesses. It extends to everyone. That is why you can't find Neely. Want proof? Go find Trump's mugshot from his recent arrest. Anything you find will be fake.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

If I was writing a story about a criminal and put this detail in there, people would say it was unrealistic.

If you want believable then the phenomenon of Mark Duggan's mother is instructive.

Mark Duggan was a career criminal who was carrying an illegal gun and acting in a paranoid manner when he was shot by police in 2011.
Lots of controversy over the shooting but the main take away is that his homicide caused blacks in Tottenham London to demonstrate.
the demonstrations were led by his mother, Pamela.

Those "demonstrations" quickly became riots which led to the burning down of Tottenham police station and then riots which spread right across London with the capital brought to a standstill, people murdered and buildings burnt down. London Riots 2011.

Duggan and his mother were both part of the extended Noonan crime family and the Tottenham Starr gang which were both vicious and brutal enterprises.

Pamela led her sons initial demonstration outside Tottenham Police Station saying "my son was a good boy who was ... never in any trouble"

Imagine my surprise when SHE was arrested at her house on the quiet a few weeks later because she was the one providing a stash house for all the drugs her son, Mark Duggan, was trading in.
Hardly any media outlets picked it up.
Today it is impossible to find this little fact anywhere on the internet. The omertà is believable/unbelievable depending on your world weariness.

Screenshot and archive the details of Neely's uncle and his arrest while you can...

 

[RowdyRoddySniper]

If you want believable then the phenomenon of Mark Duggan's mother is instructive.

Mark Duggan was a career criminal who was carrying an illegal gun and acting in a paranoid manner when he was shot by police in 2011.
Lots of controversy over the shooting but the main take away is that his homicide caused blacks in Tottenham London to demonstrate.
the demonstrations were led by his mother, Pamela.

Those "demonstrations" quickly became riots which led to the burning down of Tottenham police station and then riots which spread right across London with the capital brought to a standstill, people murdered and buildings burnt down. London Riots 2011.

Duggan and his mother were both part of the extended Noonan crime family and the Tottenham Starr gang which were both vicious and brutal enterprises.

Pamela led her sons initial demonstration outside Tottenham Police Station saying "my son was a good boy who was ... never in any trouble"

Imagine my surprise when SHE was arrested at her house on the quiet a few weeks later because she was the one providing a stash house for all the drugs her son, Mark Duggan, was trading in.
Hardly any media outlets picked it up.
Today it is impossible to find this little fact anywhere on the internet. The omertà is believable/unbelievable depending on your world weariness.

Screenshot and archive the details of Neely's uncle and his arrest while you can...

I remember watching that live. There was a famous clip of someone slumped on the ground injured in the riots whilst someone was padding him down, making off with his wallet and other belongings.

As the dindus were tearing down the city, female BBC reporters were almost having panic attacks, questioning the "inhumanity", when someone suggested stopping the riots using rubber bullets.

i cant remember if they even used water cannons in the end? Did they? I'm sure we just waited for them to get bored and then white men were sent in to clean it all up.

 

[Cr33pin]

 

[Samseau]

That's the most unChristian view I think I've ever read. So in your view because in your words he is an 'offending scumbag' he is beyond redemption and 'got what he derserved'? So you are saying these people should be killed. Wow man, I suggest you check yourself and talk to your priest about these thoughts.

I don't know what Church you go to, but the one I've been in all my life taught that "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." We have no idea what the history of the Neely is, so it is wrong to judge here - you are therefore in the wrong too, you are judging others who in fact might be in the right.

It's one thing to guess whether or not Neely's killing was justified or not, but, once you start admonishing others who disagree with you then you'd better know what you're talking about or you'll be the one showing hypocrisy.

 

[Road2Damascus]

I don't know what Church you go to, but the one I've been in all my life taught that "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." We have no idea what the history of the Neely is, so it is wrong to judge here - you are therefore in the wrong too, you are judging others who in fact might be in the right.

It's one thing to guess whether or not Neely's killing was justified or not, but, once you start admonishing others who disagree with you then you'd better know what you're talking about or you'll be the one showing hypocrisy.

That poster called him a scumbag and that he got what he deserved...i.e. he should have been killed. I don't know what Christian church advocates the killing of the mentally ill or even violent criminals.

Orthodox Church Patriarch Calls Death Penalty Incompatible with Christian Beliefs

Asked for his views on the Roman Catholic pontiff’s recent papal encyclical, Fratelli Tutti: on Fraternity and Social Friendship , Patriarch Bartholomew praised the pope’s writings, saying “We completely agree with the call-challenge of His Holiness to abandon the indifference or even cynicism that…

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At this point, there is NO EVIDENCE that Neely was weilding a weapon or that despite his criminal history murdered anyone. The only violent thing I found was he assaulted a woman on the subway.

Way to take a bible verse out of context and advocate for some violent extreme form of Christianity.

 

[Going strong]

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Good find here, the physical likeness.

Anyway, war hero Vercingetorix surrendered to the devious Caesar by furiously throwing his sword and shield, from his high horse, at Caesar's feet. Vercingetorix did this to protect the lives of starving French civilians, encircled in their city. A true encirclement, mind you, not the ridiculous Ukrainian "semi encirclement".

And, the scheming, false Historian, Caesar, responded by torturing Vercingetorix for years in a damp jail.

So, it's not a good omen for the Marine. Fat Bragg is no Caesar, far from it, but he's probably even more sadistic than Caesar was.

For the Marine, either Trump or De Santis win, or, it's 15 years in jail.

 

[Uzisuicide]

That poster called him a scumbag and that he got what he deserved...i.e. he should have been killed. I don't know what Christian church advocates the killing of the mentally ill or even violent criminals.

Orthodox Church Patriarch Calls Death Penalty Incompatible with Christian Beliefs

Asked for his views on the Roman Catholic pontiff’s recent papal encyclical, Fratelli Tutti: on Fraternity and Social Friendship , Patriarch Bartholomew praised the pope’s writings, saying “We completely agree with the call-challenge of His Holiness to abandon the indifference or even cynicism that…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

At this point, there is NO EVIDENCE that Neely was weilding a weapon or that despite his criminal history murdered anyone. The only violent thing I found was he assaulted a woman on the subway.

Way to take a bible verse out of context and advocate for some violent extreme form of Christianity.

Oh I'm sorry. He was ^only" charged with assaulting a woman on the subway? Neely had an active arrest warrant for felony assault with previous assault charges on top of a kidnapping charge. Why are people supposed to wait around to be the next victim before acting on the behalf of themselves and others to protect civil society from a mennace?

My girlfriend lives in Manhattan and I'm accutely aware of the dangers of that city and its subway system. The "city that never sleeps" sure does hunker down at night due to fear. And people are rightfully becoming quite tired of it.

 

[Cuchulainn2016]

That poster called him a scumbag and that he got what he deserved...i.e. he should have been killed. I don't know what Christian church advocates the killing of the mentally ill or even violent criminals.

Orthodox Church Patriarch Calls Death Penalty Incompatible with Christian Beliefs

Asked for his views on the Roman Catholic pontiff’s recent papal encyclical, Fratelli Tutti: on Fraternity and Social Friendship , Patriarch Bartholomew praised the pope’s writings, saying “We completely agree with the call-challenge of His Holiness to abandon the indifference or even cynicism that…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

At this point, there is NO EVIDENCE that Neely was weilding a weapon or that despite his criminal history murdered anyone. The only violent thing I found was he assaulted a woman on the subway.

Way to take a bible verse out of context and advocate for some violent extreme form of Christianity.

I don't know what Christian church advocates for not defending yourself and being a victim, nor any church that says you should not defend others if they are in danger.

Without any evidence (and some evidence to the contrary) you seem to be taking the side that the deceased was a poor, innocent minority, who was (at most, if anything) suffering from mental health problems and was therefore failed by society as a whole, and that the marine was a blood-thirsty racist who got all excited at the chance for some action and either willfully, or due to incompetence killed the poor innocent unwell person.

You are not being objective.

Why are you shilling for a paedo?

 

[Road2Damascus]

Oh I'm sorry. He was ^only" charged with assaulting a woman on the subway? Neely had an active arrest warrant for felony assault with previous assault charges on top of a kidnapping charge. Why are people supposed to wait around to be the next victim before acting on the behalf of themselves and others to protect civil society from a mennace?

My girlfriend lives in Manhattan and I'm accutely aware of the dangers of that city and its subway system. The "city that never sleeps" sure does hunker down at night due to fear. And people are rightfully becoming quite tired of it.

Again many of you are conflating different issues. I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be able to defend yourself. You should, if you are in danger, be able to properly restrain someone / defend yourself if that's what it comes down to.

This specific case has several problems. First, there is no evidence as of right now that he was assaulting anyone or brandishing a weapon like a knife or gun. His previous criminal history is irrelevant at the moment of the incident because most likely nobody on the train even knew about it.

You think people had his arrest records on their phones? How did they know he was a menace? Some of you are stating it but you found out after the fact. In that moment I doubt anyone knew. And if someone punches you no you don't have the right to kill them, just punch them back or properly defend yourself if you know how.

Second he restrained him improperly, so he was totally out of his element and was unprepared.

For any of you who think you'd be some hero in a similar situation, take my suggestion from a previous post. Go to a martial art school and tell the teacher you want to spar with the spazziest student they have. Come back and report here after your ego is demolished and you got wrecked. Your gf is in NYC? Cool I can dm you places to try it out.

It's usually people who have no experience with violence who advocate for it.

 

[Road2Damascus]

I don't know what Christian church advocates for not defending yourself and being a victim, nor any church that says you should not defend others if they are in danger.

Without any evidence (and some evidence to the contrary) you seem to be taking the side that the deceased was a poor, innocent minority, who was (at most, if anything) suffering from mental health problems and was therefore failed by society as a whole, and that the marine was a blood-thirsty racist who got all excited at the chance for some action and either willfully, or due to incompetence killed the poor innocent unwell person.

You are not being objective.

Why are you shilling for a paedo?

Can't counter my arguments so you start the personal attacks. Read my post, I doubt anyone at the moment had any idea of his criminal history, so it is not relevant to the situation at the moment it occurred. But keep being a tough guy online, I'm real scared mate.

 

[Cuchulainn2016]

Again many of you are conflating different issues. I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be able to defend yourself. You should, if you are in danger, be able to properly restrain someone / defend yourself if that's what it comes down to.

This specific case has several problems. First, there is no evidence as of right now that he was assaulting anyone or brandishing a weapon like a knife or gun. His previous criminal history is irrelevant at the moment of the incident because most likely nobody on the train even knew about it.

You think people had his arrest records on his phone? How did they know he was a menace? Some of you are stating it but you found out after the fact. In that moment I doubt anyone knew. And if someone punches you no you don't have the right to kill them, just punch them back or properly defend yourself if you know how.

Second he restrained him improperly, so he was totally out of his element and was unprepared.

For any of you who think you'd be some hero in a similar situation, take my suggestion from a previous post. Go to a martial art school and tell the teacher you want to spar with the spazziest student they have. Come back and report here after your ego is demolished and you got wrecked. Your gf is in NYC? Cool I can dm you places to try it out.

It's usually people who have no experience with violence who advocate for it.

Define "properly restrain someone".

Why do you think innocent people with no law inforcement training should be able to do, on their own, what a group of cops can't do without violence.

You seem fixated on the fact an assailant must start to assault you before you can act to defend yourself. If you are trapped with a crazy person in a locked room, and they start roaming the room shouting "Imma going to kill me a mutherfucka", do you deny people the right to preemptively engage the clear threat before the threatening person acts.

That's like saying a sniper should wait until the guy with the suicide vest detonates before shooting at him.

The guy was a menace because he was acting in a menacing behaviour according to all the witness accounts.

The marine, like anyone else, was obviously out of his element, because he is just a normal civilian who has become the victim of a violent assailant. Again, please explain why you expect everyday people to act like an action movie hero when faced with a violent criminal?

When you say this -

"For any of you who think you'd be some hero in a similar situation, take my suggestion from a previous post. Go to a martial art school and tell the teacher you want to spar with the spazziest student they have. Come back and report here after your ego is demolished and you got wrecked. Your gf is in NYC? Cool I can dm you places to try it out."

do you realise you are stating something exactly the opposite of what you say earlier, you say people should be able to restrain a violent criminal, and then you point out that most people don't have the skillset and experience to do that. Try to be consistent.