Man choked on subway - Jordan Neely

[Cuchulainn2016]

Can't counter my arguments so you start the personal attacks. Read my post, I doubt anyone at the moment had any idea of his criminal history, so it is not relevant to the situation at the moment it occurred. But keep being a tough guy online, I'm real scared mate.

Read my post again, and then please point out the personal attack you accuse me of? I will wait.

I literally just summarised what you have saying over and over here.

You are the one not addressing my post and making personal attacks (that I don't care about), like leftists do, you are accusing me of what you do.

YOU keep talking like a tough guy, but everything you say is the exact opposite of the experience of anyone here who has ever encountered any violence or criminality.

Who cares about the guys criminal history at the moment of the attack, he was acting like a crazy violent person, so the commuters assumed he was a crazy violent person. Turned out they were right.

Now we know he was a crazy violent person, why are you trying to act like that doesn't matter after the fact.

 

[Uzisuicide]

The guy was a well known crazy around town. Eye witnesses have testified that they were in fear for their lives. Thankfully a few people had the impetus to do the right thing and stop him before he hurt someone.
Nobody wanted this to happen and some tough choices had to be made. Neely was on a collision couse for an event like this to happen. Society had every opportunity and arguably a responsibility to keep Neely away from the public.

 

[RowdyRoddySniper]

Pattern detection is one of the most, if not THE most, important survival mechanisms we have as humans. That's the reason the media is so adamant and insistent on ensuring that mechanism is snuffed out.

If a man is wearing makeup, wearing a dress, and sitting in a classroom teaching kids about sodomy and unicorns whilst flashing his genitals, it really doesn't matter if I know his background or not... anybody with an ounce of morality or sanity can see this is a problem.

Likewise, if a black man is standing in a subway carriage screaming that he's going to kill people and acting threatening you're not going to politely ask him about his background before proceeding; pattern recognition and instinct should kick in.

Ironically, the only reason that this incident is "a thing", is purely because of race. If that was a white dude taken down and killed there wouldn't be any issue.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

I remember watching that live. There was a famous clip of someone slumped on the ground injured in the riots whilst someone was padding him down, making off with his wallet and other belongings.

As the dindus were tearing down the city, female BBC reporters were almost having panic attacks, questioning the "inhumanity", when someone suggested stopping the riots using rubber bullets.

i cant remember if they even used water cannons in the end? Did they? I'm sure we just waited for them to get bored and then white men were sent in to clean it all up.

What happened was.. everybody got fed up.
It was all the diversity and the migrants just robbing and looting everywhere - and I mean taking pictures of themselves on social media with one shoe that they had looted or a value pack of rice that was actually on a two for one special or stealing Titanic DVDs from 'pound shops' in an age when no-one even had any DVD players any more.

I worked with people from some of the worst housing estates and whenever the subject of the riots came up they would immediately say "Send in the Army. Shoot them."
There was no patience with it.

The Police and the Govt were quite smart.
The weekend that the riots kicked off they were very overstretched. It took them a while to reorganise and bring in reinforcements from elsewhere.
In the meantime they kept fairly quiet and just let the images flying around social media of these feral animals indulging their worst instincts tell their own story.
If they had clamped down faster they would have been blamed for what happened but by playing dead almost and letting the "muslims, scholars and diversity in general" excel themselves and trash the city with little resistance they left the public under no illusion as to what was going on.

The police suddenly were getting huge public support. Everywhere I went I saw people clapping the police as they went past. I was in the centre of London and two police officers in uniform came round the corner - immediately a big smile spread across my face and they both grinned and gave me the thumbs up.
When the police and the legal system processed rioters quickly in snap trials handing out draconian sentence after draconian sentence hardly anyone complained.

Fast forward to today and thanks to the (((acceleration))) of institutional rot nearly all sectors of British Society mistrust and resent the police as they seem to be unfit for purpose and unwilling to do even the minimum amount of police work that would make society safer.
Nobody trusts or likes the police these days.

A massive sea change.

 

[Robert High Hawk]

Not to be trite here, but that's a very nice jacket and bow tie that gentleman is wearing. Rather inappropriate for a funeral, but since they are honestly disrespecting Neely anyway by making it into a political circus about them, I don't see my comment as cynical towards him.

For all his faults and putting himself in that situation- I truly, truly feel for Neely and his family.

I don't want anyone wearing such a jacket/bowtie at my funeral, but I would like such an outfit for a leisurely Spring game of croquet.

 

[RWIsrael]

What happened was.. everybody got fed up.
It was all the diversity and the migrants just robbing and looting everywhere - and I mean taking pictures of themselves on social media with one shoe that they had looted or a value pack of rice that was actually on a two for one special or stealing Titanic DVDs from 'pound shops' in an age when no-one even had any DVD players any more.

I worked with people from some of the worst housing estates and whenever the subject of the riots came up they would immediately say "Send in the Army. Shoot them."
There was no patience with it.

The Police and the Govt were quite smart.
The weekend that the riots kicked off they were very overstretched. It took them a while to reorganise and bring in reinforcements from elsewhere.
In the meantime they kept fairly quiet and just let the images flying around social media of these feral animals indulging their worst instincts tell their own story.
If they had clamped down faster they would have been blamed for what happened but by playing dead almost and letting the "muslims, scholars and diversity in general" excel themselves and trash the city with little resistance they left the public under no illusion as to what was going on.

The police suddenly were getting huge public support. Everywhere I went I saw people clapping the police as they went past. I was in the centre of London and two police officers in uniform came round the corner - immediately a big smile spread across my face and they both grinned and gave me the thumbs up.
When the police and the legal system processed rioters quickly in snap trials handing out draconian sentence after draconian sentence hardly anyone complained.

Fast forward to today and thanks to the (((acceleration))) of institutional rot nearly all sectors of British Society mistrust and resent the police as they seem to be unfit for purpose and unwilling to do even the minimum amount of police work that would make society safer.
Nobody trusts or likes the police these days.

A massive sea change.

I'm curious How did they deal with regular citizens defending against the riots?
Any arrests or prosecutions of "vigilantes" while police were waiting around for the right time to act and letting the horde run amok?

 

[Gimlet]

Go ahead, you have no idea what you're talking about. The DA can file a felony complaint which is what he did. This is like saying we're serious about this and we're going to charge him, they then have time to convene a grand jury for the formal indictment.

"If prosecutors need to move quickly in making an arrest, they may file a complaint or information. After the defendant is arrested, the government will have to go to a grand jury and obtain an indictment, unless the defendant chooses to waive that requirement and proceed by information."

You don't understand the words complaint vs. indictment. There WILL be a grand jury evaluation before the official felony INDICTMENT, but you keep arguing that they are not following process.

The CHARGE or INDICTMENT doesn't mean he is guilty. It has to go to trial which will determine that.

But hey, I'll come back once the grand jury is convened and once they come back with manslaughter like they most likely will I'll say I told you so.

Then you can scream RIGGED! or maybe the law doesn't exist!

This is not a forum for children. Please learn how to levy criticism like an adult.

 

[Going strong]

And if someone punches you no you don't have the right to kill them,

Oh but you sometimes have. Remember the Zimmerman case?

A thug was punching Zimmerman in the face while sitting on Zimmerman's chest (Zimmerman had fallen to the ground during the unwarranted assault he was sustaining). Zimmerman had the back of his head all bloody because of the impact on the concrete, when he received the punches. So Zimmerman lawfully shot the thug, and beat MSM and the system.

So, well, if a powerful thug is in the process of repeatedly punching or bashing your face, to the point that your head start bleeding and your life is at risk, then you'd be welcome to take your gun in your pocket and shoot the blood thirsty criminal who's ferociously punching you. It's legitimate self defense.

 

[Sherman]

In my opinion it is important we be careful about what we say. Let me clarify. Jordan Neely did not die because he deserved it. Was he a violent thug arrested over 40 times? Yes. But whether he deserved something or not is totally irrelevant to the issue. However, his violent tendencies are important to the defense. The reason Mr. Penny did what he did was because he was faced with an out of control and violent person and was taking immediate actions to defend himself and others. Saying Neely deserved it plays into the slanderous vigilante narrative being promoted by dishonest democratic politicians. And to make the argument that this was imperfect self-defense, with only inaccurate media propaganda as a source, is jumping to a conclusion and the height of arrogance. (you weren’t there).

What is at stake here, is not only Mr. Penny but the right of self defense itself. This affects all of us. You may be the next person who struggles with a criminal attacking you and you survive only to be prosecuted by a George Soros funded prosecutor.

 

[Samseau]

No one knows if Neely deserved his death or not. God could have easily ordained his death at the hands of Mr. Penny, and no one here has any right to judge God. If Neely was a violent man then his violent death should not surprise any Christian.

"He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." This is one of God's laws and nothing anyone here will change what God does. He doesn't care at all what any of us think on this subject, he knows better than we do by an infinite factor, I recommend more humility and less judgement on this incident for all parties involved, especially Mr. Penny.