Man marries virgin cutie... she morphs into tattooed slut

[asdfk]

In "PUA", we learn how to get girls and create the type of relationship we want.

You learn how to control the outcome in relationships by keeping frame and putting your best interest first.

But there's only one thing you can never control. And that's if a woman will stick with you.

In our time, leaving a man has little consequences for women. They won't ruin their finances (or might even improve them). They won't lose face in the community (or even get increased status).

Instead of looking at this as bad developments, I choose to embrace these facts of our time as the ultimate filter.

A girl won't hurt her chances in life by leaving me. So if she decides to stay, it is because our relationship is rewarding in and of itself.

 

[Aurini]

I don't have to worry about my wife reading "Cosmpolitan" or watching degenerate movies/TV shows and then deciding she wants to live like that. She was raised by a good father and she knows right from wrong.

Rob - I'm really not trying to attack you - but I think you're being a bit naive.

Cosmo is one thing. What about watching a good quality movie like "Inside Out"? There's nothing particularly subversive in that film - I'll stand by it as good quality children's entertainment. However, it's stewed in the same marxist stew as anything else created in the present year. Consider the following scene:



So, the above scene references the mother's 5 Minutes of Alpha; ignoring the appropriateness of including something like that in a kid's movie (again, modernism), it comes across as fairly innocuous. Married couples getting frustrated with one another is the norm.

But do you know what that movie doesn't have? Any "male entitlement" where they imagine the hotty in the secretary pool. Including something like that wouldn't have been a cute joke, like Mister Helicopter Pilot; it would have been damnable patriarchy.

You can protect her from Cosmo. But short of shutting off the Internet and putting her in a burka, you can't protect her from that. The poz is everywhere.

What Roosh was trying to point out was that it's reasonable to seek a wife who's immune to the modernist virus. A girl with a couple of pox-scars - who nonetheless survived - may be a better bet than one who's never been exposed.

Granted, this is debateable. But you seem to be taking this far too personally, brother. Nobody's trying to criticize the choices you've made; we're just trying to figure out how all of us can make it through.

 

[EndsExpect]

I married a virgin at age 20... she was 19. We were part of a very Evangelical Church.... lots of the girls in the church married as virgins. It's been about 18 years now and the success rate of those marriages is VERY low. My xWife cheated at the 7 year mark. I'd say at this point the marriage failure rate is near 75% and the number one issue is female infidelity. I've spoken to a number of the women involved and the moment they got upset with their husbands or bored... they constantly wondered what other guys where like. I also was a virgin when I married... so I can completely understand their curiosity.

I think it's very possible to marry a virgin and make things work. You have to be a solid guy and marry a woman who is generally content... which is a rare female trait.

My personal opinion is that the best marriages will be with a woman 23-28 with 2 to 4 sexual experiences. Keep in mind this is just my opinion based on experiences I've had. What most of us are looking for are guarantees... and none exist. If we really wanted guaranteed marriages we would all be Muslim guys and if your wife cheats you just drag her into the street, pour gasoline on her head, light a match, and walk away.

 

[Jozi]

Look mate, it's one thing to settle for a 7 or 8 if you've dreamed of nailing a 9 or 10. It's another to marry your cutie high school sweetheart virgin and watch her transform into a tatted Instagram whore.

I didn't settle and neither should you. Always make it clear that you are willing to walk away from the deal if immutable rules are being broken. Reg. children: this is why men traditionally married younger woman. With some life experience you make better choices and don't marry as a teenager without having a clue on how to keep that bitch in check.

When you say you "didn't settle", does that mean you married your dream girl? Or that you are still looking?

If you did get married to a cute young virgin, congrats. But don't expect she won't entertain taking other men's semen (whether she will act on it for real or just in her imagination), or that she wouldn't leave you in a heartbeat if a man of much higher statue than you would come along (like in the Justin Bieber example above).

If you haven't married or had children and are still looking for that "perfect" woman to do it with, then start preparing yourself mentally for it to never materialize. You will grow old pissed off at society and everyone in it, thinking you have been treated unfairly. But nobody will care or even waste a second of sympathy. The world will go on just fine without you.

And no, you don't have to settle for a washed out whore. But there will only ever be one person sticking with you through thick and thin and until the end, and that is yourself. So live your life with that in mind.

 

[Rob Banks]

I don't have to worry about my wife reading "Cosmpolitan" or watching degenerate movies/TV shows and then deciding she wants to live like that. She was raised by a good father and she knows right from wrong.

Rob - I'm really not trying to attack you - but I think you're being a bit naive.

Cosmo is one thing. What about watching a good quality movie like "Inside Out"? There's nothing particularly subversive in that film - I'll stand by it as good quality children's entertainment. However, it's stewed in the same marxist stew as anything else created in the present year. Consider the following scene:



So, the above scene references the mother's 5 Minutes of Alpha; ignoring the appropriateness of including something like that in a kid's movie (again, modernism), it comes across as fairly innocuous. Married couples getting frustrated with one another is the norm.

But do you know what that movie doesn't have? Any "male entitlement" where they imagine the hotty in the secretary pool. Including something like that wouldn't have been a cute joke, like Mister Helicopter Pilot; it would have been damnable patriarchy.

You can protect her from Cosmo. But short of shutting off the Internet and putting her in a burka, you can't protect her from that. The poz is everywhere.

What Roosh was trying to point out was that it's reasonable to seek a wife who's immune to the modernist virus. A girl with a couple of pox-scars - who nonetheless survived - may be a better bet than one who's never been exposed.

Granted, this is debateable. But you seem to be taking this far too personally, brother. Nobody's trying to criticize the choices you've made; we're just trying to figure out how all of us can make it through.

Just watched the video you embedded. Yeah, that's pretty bad, considering it's a kids' movie. Very inappropriate.

I'm not taking anything personally, just giving my opinion. I may have gotten a little frustrated with some of the people saying things like "It's 2018, virginity doesn't matter. Let girls have fun." and things to that effect.

The only thing I might have taken a little personally was the poster who was trying to tell me that I am "delusional" if I actually trust my wife not to cuck me; that she can go read Cosmo and watch movies and TV and she will obviously become a degenerate slut eventually (or something to that effect).

As far as a girl with a few "pox scars" who "survived," I personally would not use "scars" as a metaphor for dicks taken. Maybe it's just me, but I just really can't stand the hypothetical thought of my wife having submitted herself sexually to another man before she ever met me, and knowing that I am devoting my life to another man's sloppy seconds.

Also, when you say that it's better to have a girl who "was exposed to the degeneracy virus and survived" than a girl who has never been exposed, the phrase implies that the girl was exposed to degeneracy, tempted by it, and yet never gave in to it or engaged in it. If you're talking about a girl who had casual sex a few times in her life but now avoids it, then that means she engaged in degeneracy at least a couple of times.

I think that most girls who somehow went through life in the modern world without being "exposed" to degeneracy are probably not very adventurous people in the first place. They are more likely to be women who prefer to stay in their comfort zone. So I don't see why a girl who was raised right, and doesn't have a very adventurous personality to begin with, would suddenly watch a couple movies or TV shows and think to herself "Fuck my husband. I'm going to get some strange." Sure, it could happen, but I think it is less likely to happen with a girl like this (virgin at marriage, never exposed to degeneracy) than it is with a girl who "only" had casual sex 2 or 3 times before marriage. A girl who has had casual sex before will be more willing to do it again than a girl who has never had casual sex before.

Any girl can potentially cuck you, given the right circumstances. I'm not so naive as to deny that. I just think that a girl who has only been with one man is less likely to cheat than a girl who has been with 3 or 4.

I get what Roosh was trying to say. I just respectfully disagree. I'd rather "take my chances" with a virgin (knowing that if it goes well, she will 100% belong to me and not to any other man) than devote my life to a girl who has already given away part of her soul to other men (even if I could somehow be 100% sure that the latter would not cuck me).

I also understand that many men who are in their 30s or 40s want to start families, and that it is unrealistic to think they will find virgins. If I were in that position, I'd rather settle for a relatively chaste woman than give up on starting a family and remain a bachelor forever. When I say that a virgin is better, I am talking about the ideal. I am not at all saying that any girl who is not a virgin is a total slut and worth nothing in an LTR (or anything to that effect).

 

[RDF]

The only thing I might have taken a little personally was the poster who was trying to tell me that I am "delusional" if I actually trust my wife not to cuck me; that she can go read Cosmo and watch movies and TV and she will obviously become a degenerate slut eventually (or something to that effect).

You probably skimmed over the part of my post when I said that its great that you found a virgin to marry. Congratulations. I mean that sincerely. You have your standards and you've executed on them. I don't care what standards somebody else has for marriage. It's your life, not mine.

I also never said that your wife is going to become a slut. I said that she WILL be exposed to degeneracy and subversive ideas. Whether that exposure changes her will depend on multiple factors, mostly her innate personality, upbringing, and the framework that you provide. I don't know you or her and I have no clue whether it will change her.

My issue is that in many of your posts you're implying (and sometimes directly stating) that any man who marries a woman who is not a virgin is essentially a cuckold. If you're going to imply that myself and others on the forum are cuckolds because we don't share your exact standards, that's something I do take issue with.

 

[Rob Banks]

I married a virgin at age 20... she was 19. We were part of a very Evangelical Church.... lots of the girls in the church married as virgins. It's been about 18 years now and the success rate of those marriages is VERY low. My xWife cheated at the 7 year mark. I'd say at this point the marriage failure rate is near 75% and the number one issue is female infidelity. I've spoken to a number of the women involved and the moment they got upset with their husbands or bored... they constantly wondered what other guys where like. I also was a virgin when I married... so I can completely understand their curiosity.

I think it's very possible to marry a virgin and make things work. You have to be a solid guy and marry a woman who is generally content... which is a rare female trait.

If you're not a "solid" enough guy to make marriage to a virgin work, then you're not going to be able to make marriage to a non-virgin work either. A virgin will have nothing to compare you to. A non-virgin will. Also, a non-virgin will be less hesitant to sleep with other men if she is not satisfied with the marriage, since she has done it before. It is nothing new to her.

My personal opinion is that the best marriages will be with a woman 23-28 with 2 to 4 sexual experiences. Keep in mind this is just my opinion based on experiences I've had. What most of us are looking for are guarantees... and none exist.

Graphs such as this one show a positive correlation between a woman's number or premarital sex partners and her likelihood of divorce. All studies have pretty much shown that women with 0 partners prior to marriage are the least likely to divorce, and that the divorce rate is positively correlated to the girl's number of partners before marriage.

If we really wanted guaranteed marriages we would all be Muslim guys and if your wife cheats you just drag her into the street, pour gasoline on her head, light a match, and walk away.

This is obviously a very aggressive approach, and civilized non-Muslim men have not acted like this for centuries. However, there was a time when violence against women (including extreme violence and killing) was considered acceptable if your wife cucked you, even in non-Muslim cultures. This is obviously very wrong, and we have come a long way as a society since those times, but it shows that men have a primitive drive to protect their honor and take any and all measures to avoid getting cucked.

I do not support any sort of domestic violence under any circumstances. At the same time, I think that if a woman cucks her husband, that is about the most aggressive and violent thing she can do to him. Women are not aggressive/violent with physical force. Instead, they are aggressive with words and emotions. Cucking a man is just about the worst, most brutal think a woman can do to him. That is why it used to be considered acceptable for a man to get violent after having something like that done to him.

 

[Jozi]

Any girl can potentially cuck you, given the right circumstances. I'm not so naive as to deny that. I just think that a girl who has only been with one man is less likely to cheat than a girl who has been with 3 or 4.

Even if she won't cheat on you physically, she will still cheat on you in her imagination. Now whether that's OK or not is up to you.

Btw, I am with you on the virgin thing. I wouldn't marry a non-virgin either (although I would impregnate a non-virgin). But that doesn't mean I have any delusions about her "purity". At the end of the day she's just another slut NPC, virgin or not. And I will act, prepare and treat her accordingly (which means, I won't expect unconditional or forever-lasting love, and I won't give up any of my own pleasures in life for the sake of being called a "good husband").

I also do not believe women who have "actively avoided temptation" to be much better or safer bets. For one, the fact that it was a temptation means they actually wanted something that didn't include you. How does that make you feel? Secondly, there is no way to actually verify that they have done this. But even if they have, and they truly have this idea, for how long will they hold this belief? People (and even more so females) change their minds.

So, it doesn't matter who she is or what she believes, you shouldn't give up your life for her anyway. In the end it will not be reciprocated, and no gold stars or pats on the back will be received.

 

[Rob Banks]

The only thing I might have taken a little personally was the poster who was trying to tell me that I am "delusional" if I actually trust my wife not to cuck me; that she can go read Cosmo and watch movies and TV and she will obviously become a degenerate slut eventually (or something to that effect).

You probably skimmed over the part of my post when I said that its great that you found a virgin to marry. Congratulations. I mean that sincerely. You have your standards and you've executed on them. I don't care what standards somebody else has for marriage. It's your life, not mine.

I also never said that your wife is going to become a slut. I said that she WILL be exposed to degeneracy and subversive ideas. Whether that exposure changes her will depend on multiple factors, mostly her innate personality, upbringing, and the framework that you provide. I don't know you or her and I have no clue whether it will change her.

My issue is that in many of your posts you're implying (and sometimes directly stating) that any man who marries a woman who is not a virgin is essentially a cuckold. If you're going to imply that myself and others on the forum are cuckolds because we don't share your exact standards, that's something I do take issue with.

I see how you could take it that way. I didn't mean that at all, though. Several times, I said that I totally understand that a man who wants to have a family will settle for a relatively chaste (non-virgin) girl because in this day and age, holding out for a virgin will probably mean you will end up alone and with no family. I got lucky because I met my wife when I was in my teens and I was living overseas. If this had not happened, I would almost certainly not be married, and I would be faced with the choice between either settling for a non-virgin or never having a family of my own. I am 27. I am under no delusions that I would be able to find a virgin to marry being 30+ in America. I would obviously have to settle for a (relatively) chaste non-virgin. Would this make me a cuckold? No, not at all.

Like I said in an earlier post, all I am saying is that finding a virgin girl is the ideal. I was taking issue with some of the guys saying that they would rather marry a non-virgin than a virgin.

I totally understand the realities of the modern world, and that it is necessary for basically any Western man over the age of 25 to settle for a non-virgin if he wants to get married and start a family at all.

 

[Heuristics]

You should realize you likely got very lucky, simply put, the odds are not on men’s side to end up with a virgin in 2018 for numerous reasons.

One LTR relationship with sex prior to marriage doesn’t really constitute “having fun” to me, but maybe I’m splitting hairs.

Women will cuck men regardless of whether they are virgins or not. I’m concerned you’re not understanding AWALT and it’s meaning. All Women Are Like That. All women behave the same.

Something like 97 percent of people have had premarital sex. Obsessing over something so common seems like a sign of insecurity or maybe inadequacy. Or maybe a desire for absolute control. I do not hold the belief that women are precious flowers, they’re sexual human beings that want to fuck, and daydream about fucking all the time.

All women in the West will be exposed to degeneracy, it is just a question of how they deal with it. Women do not have superhuman minds nonsusceptible to influence. In fact, because they are more social than men, they are going to be much more influenced by degeneracy and normalization of undesirable behaviors than men. Virgins will get exposed to degeneracy and you have no clue what will happen.

It sounds downright impossible, much less fun, to manage a virgin thus preventing her from going off the rails.

Girls all cheat. Doesn’t matter if they’re a virgin or not.

 

[The Catalyst]

Personally for me even though I really like the idea of a virgin wife if the choice was a virgin wife who might cheat or a 3 notch wife who almost certainly wouldn't I'd pick the 3 notch wife in a heartbeat. It's all about practicality for me instead of psychology.

 

[Rob Banks]

Any girl can potentially cuck you, given the right circumstances. I'm not so naive as to deny that. I just think that a girl who has only been with one man is less likely to cheat than a girl who has been with 3 or 4.

Even if she won't cheat on you physically, she will still cheat on you in her imagination. Now whether that's OK or not is up to you.

Even if this were 100% certain to be true, if a girl "cheats" on you in her imagination, that is not cheating, it is just fantasizing. Obviously, I wouldn't be thrilled by it, but it is not comparable to actual physical cheating.

Btw, I am with you on the virgin thing. I wouldn't marry a non-virgin either (although I would impregnate a non-virgin). But that doesn't mean I have any delusions about her "purity". At the end of the day she's just another slut NPC, virgin or not. And I will act, prepare and treat her accordingly (which means, I won't expect unconditional or forever-lasting love, and I won't give up any of my own pleasures in life for the sake of being called a "good husband").

I also do not believe women who have "actively avoided temptation" to be much better or safer bets. For one, the fact that it was a temptation means they actually wanted something that didn't include you. How does that make you feel? Secondly, there is no way to actually verify that they have done this. But even if they have, and they truly have this idea, for how long will they hold this belief? People (and even more so females) change their minds.

So, it doesn't matter who she is or what she believes, you shouldn't give up your life for her anyway. In the end it will not be reciprocated, and no gold stars or pats on the back will be received.

Are you saying it is impossible for a woman to actually truly love and respect her man?

 

[MajorStyles]

Fifty three thousand followers on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/caitlinflads_

That's the size of the University of Florida, constantly giving her confidence that she's doing the right thing.

The thirst of the beta-male man is shocking. They'll applaud any slut that's a 7 or higher, regardless of the bile that spews from her mouth. They never catch a bite, and yet they keep on casting their desperate line.

But the universe is just. Rarely do these women reciprocate the amorous offerings of the Incel fan club; ironically (or perhaps not so ironically) most of these trollops will end up alone despite the bevy of offers they receive.

 

[Rob Banks]

Women will cuck men regardless of whether they are virgins or not. I’m concerned you’re not understanding AWALT and it’s meaning. All Women Are Like That. All women behave the same.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

You're basically saying that my wife, my sister, my mother, and every woman I know personally (in addition to the wives and mothers of every other man on this forum) are "like that" (i.e. degenerate sluts). I think a lot of people here would not appreciate that. A lot of us have women in our lives who we consider to be loved ones and/or close family members, and who we don't consider to be degenerate sluts at all.

 

[Heuristics]

Women will cuck men regardless of whether they are virgins or not. I’m concerned you’re not understanding AWALT and it’s meaning. All Women Are Like That. All women behave the same.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

You're basically saying that my wife, my sister, my mother, and every woman I know personally (in addition to the wives and mothers of every other man on this forum) are "like that" (i.e. degenerate sluts). I think a lot of people here would not appreciate that. A lot of us have women in our lives who we consider to be loved ones and/or close family members, and who we don't consider to be degenerate sluts at all.

I am asking you to understand human nature. I harbor no negative feelings. I would impregnate a 10 no problems. That's how males operate. Similarly, women would jump at the chance to be with a 10 male even if he had a harem. That's part of their nature.

Quick reality check: talk to a female who is honest in your life. Most likely a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister, etc. I'm not calling all women sluts, I'm just saying women are human. We all live less than perfect lives. If humans can't be perfect, than women can't either. Just to be fair, you could ask a male figure in your life about his sexual experiences, why did he finally decide to settle down, and with whom?

I'm saying nothing about the circle of family/friends around you. But you will get the full story from the statistics.

 

[scorpion]

This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

At the end of the day, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide them a stable home environment. So if that's something you're willing to sign up for at this point in the West, you simply have to accept the fact that there's a very high probability that it could blow up in your face. You can try to minimize that risk all you want, but everything is working against you legally, socially and culturally. We're in a culture war, and we can expect there will be plenty of casualties. If you want to raise a family in this degenerate age, you very well might be one of them. But it can't be helped. This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

 

[Rob Banks]

I am asking you to understand human nature. I harbor no negative feelings. I would impregnate a 10 no problems. That's how males operate. Similarly, women would jump at the chance to be with a 10 male even if he had a harem. That's part of their nature.

Quick reality check: talk to a female who is honest in your life. Most likely a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister, etc. I'm not calling all women sluts, I'm just saying women are human. We all live less than perfect lives. If humans can't be perfect, than women can't either. Just to be fair, you could ask a male figure in your life about his sexual experiences, why did he finally decide to settle down, and with whom?

I'm saying nothing about the circle of family/friends around you. But you will get the full story from the statistics.

Human nature differs from person to person, based on genetics and environment. A woman with a non-adventurous personality who was raised in a traditional home with her parents being together and a strong father will not behave the same as a woman with a naturally adventurous/rebellious personality who was raised by a single mother and an abusive stepfather.

I am very conscious of human nature. The reason marriage and monogamy even exist in the first place is because it is the best system to control and regulate human nature for the benefit of raising the next generation. Modern marriage is obviously perverted. Modern attitudes towards premarital sex, divorce, etc., go against human nature. Leftists are the ones who refuse to acknowledge human nature. People like me who support traditional marriage (not modern "marriage") are actually very conscious of human nature.

 

[Heuristics]

This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

At the end of the day, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide them a stable home environment. So if that's something you're willing to sign up for at this point in the West, you simply have to accept the fact that there's a very high probability that it could blow up in your face. You can try to minimize that risk all you want, but everything is working against you legally, socially and culturally. We're in a culture war, and we can expect there will be plenty of casualties. If you want to raise a family in this degenerate age, you very well might be one of them. But it can't be helped. This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

This is a really good point. And completely true. Needed to be brought up in this thread.

As far as solutions. I have thought a lot about possible ones. One that really may make sense, but I have no experience with, is partnering up with a woman, and doing everything short of being married. Seems like it could mitigate divorce rape because you’re not married.

Really good way of looking at an otherwise bad situation: higher sense of purpose.

 

[Caduceus]

This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

 

[Heuristics]

I am asking you to understand human nature. I harbor no negative feelings. I would impregnate a 10 no problems. That's how males operate. Similarly, women would jump at the chance to be with a 10 male even if he had a harem. That's part of their nature.

Quick reality check: talk to a female who is honest in your life. Most likely a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister, etc. I'm not calling all women sluts, I'm just saying women are human. We all live less than perfect lives. If humans can't be perfect, than women can't either. Just to be fair, you could ask a male figure in your life about his sexual experiences, why did he finally decide to settle down, and with whom?

I'm saying nothing about the circle of family/friends around you. But you will get the full story from the statistics.

Human nature differs from person to person, based on genetics and environment. A woman with a non-adventurous personality who was raised in a traditional home with her parents being together and a strong father will not behave the same as a woman with a naturally adventurous/rebellious personality who was raised by a single mother and an abusive stepfather.

I am very conscious of human nature. The reason marriage and monogamy even exist in the first place is because it is the best system to control and regulate human nature for the benefit of raising the next generation. Modern marriage is obviously perverted. Modern attitudes towards premarital sex, divorce, etc., go against human nature. Leftists are the ones who refuse to acknowledge human nature. People like me who support traditional marriage (not modern "marriage") are actually very conscious of human nature.

Human nature is universal. Environment is highly variable. Genetics determine some of your programming but not of all it. Humans are highly adaptable and molded by their environments. That means individuals do not exist as static personalities. They change. You inject something powerful, but subtle, like media into people’s subconscious and the changes start happening. Not to mention people are influenced by those around them.

Monogamous marriage is a solution that is mutually beneficial for both men and women. For women safety, security, resources for her and the children after she hits the wall. For men, they get a partner even though there is hypergamy in women, and man’s most violent tendencies are moderated by recurring access to sex. I also believe it makes men more productive. Fidelity has always been an issue in marriages, and cheating is not simply a product of modern society, but I’m certain it’s gotten worse since marriage started being trashed as an institution by elites.