Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment" of women
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RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
9 people stabbed in mass attack
https://apnews.com/c7c1eb7337664e58ba5fa224ed5cd9a9
9 people stabbed in mass attack
https://apnews.com/c7c1eb7337664e58ba5fa224ed5cd9a9
jeffreyjerpp
Kingfisher
RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
As usual, MrLemon makes an excellent and deeply unsettling point. Despite material abundance, our society manages to alienate, degrade, and scare young men to the point they have serious psychological disorders. We have absolutely none of the organic social mechanisms that used to harness and manage male aggression constructively.
I was talking with my friend last night about how men must socialized with each other in ancient hunting parties and tribes. Even though there was probably a competitive element, and none of the overt affection that women show one another, you would definitely be concerned about the welfare of the other men in your tribe. You would also know that they were concerned about you. Which makes sense, since you were likely genetically related, or married to each others sisters, or whatever. You would also have depended on each other if the tribe was ever attacked by a neighboring tribe, so deep levels of trust would have existed, too. You would ensure their well being if they got hurt, and vice versa. And if either you or your wife tried to step outside of your wedding vows, the entire tribe would have flipped the fuck out, and put you right back in line, to maintain social order.
If .1% of the male population decided to go on the warpath, they could shut the country down overnight. I sincerely hope it doesn't come that, ever.
MrLemon said:
As usual, MrLemon makes an excellent and deeply unsettling point. Despite material abundance, our society manages to alienate, degrade, and scare young men to the point they have serious psychological disorders. We have absolutely none of the organic social mechanisms that used to harness and manage male aggression constructively.
I was talking with my friend last night about how men must socialized with each other in ancient hunting parties and tribes. Even though there was probably a competitive element, and none of the overt affection that women show one another, you would definitely be concerned about the welfare of the other men in your tribe. You would also know that they were concerned about you. Which makes sense, since you were likely genetically related, or married to each others sisters, or whatever. You would also have depended on each other if the tribe was ever attacked by a neighboring tribe, so deep levels of trust would have existed, too. You would ensure their well being if they got hurt, and vice versa. And if either you or your wife tried to step outside of your wedding vows, the entire tribe would have flipped the fuck out, and put you right back in line, to maintain social order.
If .1% of the male population decided to go on the warpath, they could shut the country down overnight. I sincerely hope it doesn't come that, ever.
spokepoker
Hummingbird
Well, maybe its exactly because of our material abundance that this happens.
If they had to farm or hunt to eat, then they wouldn't have the time to go crazy.
If they had to farm or hunt to eat, then they wouldn't have the time to go crazy.
Easy_C
Peacock
Notice that the media almost immediately lost interest in this case.
They frequently like to claim that they're concerned about "saving lives" and that this has absolutely nothing to do with preventing citizens from having weapons that would allow them to effectively resist the government's troops. Actual events prove otherwise. In multiple instances they have blown into an absolute frenzy trying to have various forms of "assault weapons" banned that are almost always the worst choice for any kind of shooting engagement....EXCEPT for medium to long range firefights the kind of which happen during asymmetric warfare. When it comes to the kinds of weapons like shotguns that are by far the most deadly in the hands of an untrained shooter the response is crickets. In fact these kinds of small scale murders with shotguns and pistols happen all the time whereas assault rifle shootings are relatively rare.
They frequently like to claim that they're concerned about "saving lives" and that this has absolutely nothing to do with preventing citizens from having weapons that would allow them to effectively resist the government's troops. Actual events prove otherwise. In multiple instances they have blown into an absolute frenzy trying to have various forms of "assault weapons" banned that are almost always the worst choice for any kind of shooting engagement....EXCEPT for medium to long range firefights the kind of which happen during asymmetric warfare. When it comes to the kinds of weapons like shotguns that are by far the most deadly in the hands of an untrained shooter the response is crickets. In fact these kinds of small scale murders with shotguns and pistols happen all the time whereas assault rifle shootings are relatively rare.
That video analysis of Elliot Rodger is eye opening -- I've never seen a video of him before. I won't bash him for his body language and awkward mannerisms. I've also had poor body language in the past. It wasn't until I met a member of this forum for the first time that I had someone point it out to me, and I greatly respect him for that.
To me, the real underlying moral of that story and the main one in this thread is that there's a severely lacking element of social mentorship in middle class (or upper middle class) society. Just one older or more mature man in his life could have pointed these things out to him -- if not his dad, then maybe an instructor, TA, relative, etc. There are so many times when lost young men like Rodger could have been built up into someone better, but there was no one around to teach him.
We can blame soy, feminism, media programming, lack of physical work, etc. But let's not forget that the whole concept of older or more mature men mentoring the younger men is completely foreign to modern mainstream, socially-acceptable American society.
To me, the real underlying moral of that story and the main one in this thread is that there's a severely lacking element of social mentorship in middle class (or upper middle class) society. Just one older or more mature man in his life could have pointed these things out to him -- if not his dad, then maybe an instructor, TA, relative, etc. There are so many times when lost young men like Rodger could have been built up into someone better, but there was no one around to teach him.
We can blame soy, feminism, media programming, lack of physical work, etc. But let's not forget that the whole concept of older or more mature men mentoring the younger men is completely foreign to modern mainstream, socially-acceptable American society.
I've seen the Elliott Rodgers video. I'm not buying into the body language and quirky-ness being the cause. The not getting success with women is causing him to become lose confidence. If this guy was 6ft, he wouldn't need to be jacked. He wouldn't need to be tall or jacked if he went for Asian women but he had an inferiority complex about being Asian which prevented from that. Obviously there were a hundred things he could have done to get a girl but these days the standards women have are much higher. He was living in LA if I recall correctly. You can blame this guy all day but he's just the first of many incels society is creating. Game saves lives, yes, but just admit it's a uphill battle for young men all the way and the genetic lottery will play a bigger role.
RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
Regardless of whether it's a matter of confidence or body language / quirkiness, the point is that there was no one around to teach him better.
[email protected] said:
Regardless of whether it's a matter of confidence or body language / quirkiness, the point is that there was no one around to teach him better.
RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
His beard should have been a dead giveaway of insanity:
[img=640x480]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VvsdLAqmUt0/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]
In addition he looks more like a SJW white non-Hispanic Hispanic.
His beard should have been a dead giveaway of insanity:
[img=640x480]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VvsdLAqmUt0/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]
In addition he looks more like a SJW white non-Hispanic Hispanic.
RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
I'm confused. The military still exists, so does marriage, and so do millions of well paying blue color jobs. And I seriously doubt there are "millions" of these people out there. Calling this post hyperbolic would be an understatement.
MrLemon said:
I'm confused. The military still exists, so does marriage, and so do millions of well paying blue color jobs. And I seriously doubt there are "millions" of these people out there. Calling this post hyperbolic would be an understatement.
RE: Man shoots up newspaper for reporting on case involving his "harassment"...
Sorry, but I don't agree with this or what BlueMark said when it comes to Elliott Rodger. All the info you guys are putting out is correct, but it leaves out one important thing: Some people are just weird as hell, and no amount of guidance or help can correct that.
This matters most *at first* when it comes to men, because women will instantly turn off when approached by someone "creepy." And if you think height or looks will change that, try getting a male model to go up to a stranger and say something "off." Women will call security, no matter how "hot" the guy.
For men, this situation is different. Men will put up with creepy and strange so long as the girl is hot. Hell, some men (ahem) have even been known to prefer odd-but-attractive women.
But men pay the toll later on, when these insane women do (surprise!) insane things inside of marriage, and the guys get taken to the cleaners when they're hit with a divorce suit.
But all that said, I've known men who are just not right for one reason or another and put women off. Elliott Rodger and the Annapolis shooter seem like those sorts of guys.
While some PUA lessons generally help average guys, my guess is that these are not average guys who happen to be awkward or shy. These are emotionally and mentally disturbed men, and reading Mystery and Neil Strauss won't change a thing.
We need to learn to draw the line when it comes to some men (or people in general) who have deeper, more serious issues that go beyond what we all deal with. You can't cure diabetes with a book; you also can't cure mental illness (no matter how slight) with a few PUA lessons.
[email protected] said:
Sorry, but I don't agree with this or what BlueMark said when it comes to Elliott Rodger. All the info you guys are putting out is correct, but it leaves out one important thing: Some people are just weird as hell, and no amount of guidance or help can correct that.
This matters most *at first* when it comes to men, because women will instantly turn off when approached by someone "creepy." And if you think height or looks will change that, try getting a male model to go up to a stranger and say something "off." Women will call security, no matter how "hot" the guy.
For men, this situation is different. Men will put up with creepy and strange so long as the girl is hot. Hell, some men (ahem) have even been known to prefer odd-but-attractive women.
But men pay the toll later on, when these insane women do (surprise!) insane things inside of marriage, and the guys get taken to the cleaners when they're hit with a divorce suit.
But all that said, I've known men who are just not right for one reason or another and put women off. Elliott Rodger and the Annapolis shooter seem like those sorts of guys.
While some PUA lessons generally help average guys, my guess is that these are not average guys who happen to be awkward or shy. These are emotionally and mentally disturbed men, and reading Mystery and Neil Strauss won't change a thing.
We need to learn to draw the line when it comes to some men (or people in general) who have deeper, more serious issues that go beyond what we all deal with. You can't cure diabetes with a book; you also can't cure mental illness (no matter how slight) with a few PUA lessons.