Man walked 351 miles to sleep with teenage girl

Sandstorm

Kingfisher
Belgrano said:
Roosh said:
Reports said Jenkins faces charges of using a computer to “attempt to persuade, induce or entice a minor to engage in unlawful sexual activity.”

If convicted, the suspect will serve a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years and up to a lifetime behind bars, according to WISN.

Reports said Jenkins is currently being held at the Brown County Jail in Wisconsin.
Something about this just doesn't feel right.

Isn't this a victimless crime?

He wasn't talking to a minor, he was talking to a Winnebago County sheriff’s deputy.

And the only reason he broke the law in the first place is because the FBI tried their best to bait him.

If the FBI hadn't shown up, there would be no crime. They induced it.

10 years all the way up to lifetime for that?
Yes, in UK law this is illegal because the police have essentially created a crime that wouldn't have even happened, had they not created it! It's called entrapment.

But in the US, this is totally legal.
 
Belgrano said:
Roosh said:
Reports said Jenkins faces charges of using a computer to “attempt to persuade, induce or entice a minor to engage in unlawful sexual activity.”

If convicted, the suspect will serve a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years and up to a lifetime behind bars, according to WISN.

Reports said Jenkins is currently being held at the Brown County Jail in Wisconsin.
Something about this just doesn't feel right.

Isn't this a victimless crime?

He wasn't talking to a minor, he was talking to a Winnebago County sheriff’s deputy.
"Attempting to..." is the keyword. He knew the subject (whether real or not) was under age and attempted to entice them. It's a crime.

It's like setting up a rifle and trying to shoot a random stranger in the head from a large distance and missing all your shots. The target might not even know they were being shot at, but it's still attempted murder. You can't use "but no one was actually hit" as a defense.
 

jeffreyjerpp

Kingfisher
Kungfu said:
"Attempting to..." is the keyword. He knew the subject (whether real or not) was under age and attempted to entice them. It's a crime.

It's like setting up a rifle and trying to shoot a random stranger in the head from a large distance and missing all your shots. The target might not even know they were being shot at, but it's still attempted murder. You can't use "but no one was actually hit" as a defense.
No, it would be like if FBI agents found a 75 IQ drooling retard, gave him a gun, and pressured and coerced him to pull the trigger.

Zero sympathy for this particular goon, but even less for these lazy government sting operations that clearly overreach and create crimes where none would otherwise exist.

Even worse are people who try and justify this sort of thing by arguing "well he would have done something anyways!".....except of course it is impossible to know that, and the government is supposed to treat people as innocent until proven guilty (not make them guilty on some contrived pretext):

kinjutsu said:
If the FBI didn't plant a honey pot to gain his interest then eventually he would've contacted a real teenage girl and done the things he's being accused to wanting to do.
It wouldn't surprise me if we later found out he had a history of meeting underage girls online and there's a trail of victims in his past.
 
Roosh said:
Multiple members have been suspended in this thread for giving support to sexual relations of women under 18. This is not the forum to show support for that sort of thing. If you have problems with the law, feel free to contact your local congressman to change it.
Our century old law protecting juveniles got changed on pressure from the US, so homosexuals can legally groom underage boys (which is the real issue).

But I'm not sure, what I can say about it. I'm not subject to US law and have no local congressman. I do not support fornication, regardless of age.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
No, it would be like if FBI agents found a 75 IQ drooling retard, gave him a gun, and pressured and coerced him to pull the trigger.
If you look into it, you’ll see that this is actually the FBI’s standard operating procedure, when it comes to terrorism arrests since 9/11. Just replace the gun with a fake explosive device.
 
wwtl said:
Roosh said:
Multiple members have been suspended in this thread for giving support to sexual relations of women under 18. This is not the forum to show support for that sort of thing. If you have problems with the law, feel free to contact your local congressman to change it.
Our century old law protecting juveniles got changed on pressure from the US, so homosexuals can legally groom underage boys (which is the real issue).

But I'm not sure, what I can say about it. I'm not subject to US law and have no local congressman. I do not support fornication, regardless of age.
And just to clarify what my policy is:

First I'm for entirely outlawing porn production and distribution - regardless of the age (and consent) of the participating actors.

My second step would be completely outlawing fornication as well. As a third step I would make the consent of the father of the bride a legal requirement for marriage regardless of age of the bride.

After this the concept of "age of consent" is entirely void, because without the marriage certificate any sexual relationship becomes entirely illegal.
 

scotian

Crow
Gold Member
wwtl said:
wwtl said:
Roosh said:
Multiple members have been suspended in this thread for giving support to sexual relations of women under 18. This is not the forum to show support for that sort of thing. If you have problems with the law, feel free to contact your local congressman to change it.
Our century old law protecting juveniles got changed on pressure from the US, so homosexuals can legally groom underage boys (which is the real issue).

But I'm not sure, what I can say about it. I'm not subject to US law and have no local congressman. I do not support fornication, regardless of age.
And just to clarify what my policy is:

First I'm for entirely outlawing porn production and distribution - regardless of the age (and consent) of the participating actors.

My second step would be completely outlawing fornication as well. As a third step I would make the consent of the father of the bride a legal requirement for marriage regardless of age of the bride.

After this the concept of "age of consent" is entirely void, because without the marriage certificate any sexual relationship becomes entirely illegal.
How would you go about enforcing such laws, hire religious cops like they do in such wonderful places such as Saudi Arabia and Iran?
 
scotian said:
wwtl said:
wwtl said:
Roosh said:
Multiple members have been suspended in this thread for giving support to sexual relations of women under 18. This is not the forum to show support for that sort of thing. If you have problems with the law, feel free to contact your local congressman to change it.
Our century old law protecting juveniles got changed on pressure from the US, so homosexuals can legally groom underage boys (which is the real issue).

But I'm not sure, what I can say about it. I'm not subject to US law and have no local congressman. I do not support fornication, regardless of age.
And just to clarify what my policy is:

First I'm for entirely outlawing porn production and distribution - regardless of the age (and consent) of the participating actors.

My second step would be completely outlawing fornication as well. As a third step I would make the consent of the father of the bride a legal requirement for marriage regardless of age of the bride.

After this the concept of "age of consent" is entirely void, because without the marriage certificate any sexual relationship becomes entirely illegal.
How would you go about enforcing such laws, hire religious cops like they do in such wonderful places such as Saudi Arabia and Iran?
That would just codify centuries of Western-Christian tradition into law. I guess the US would use entrapment as usual, while in other places it's up to the father getting 23yo Mohamed into jail for trying to sleep with his 21yo daughter.

The outrage about PUAs in the UK legally picking up 16yo girls only makes sense, if you consider fornication as normal. Once you got back to a regular societal order instead of the clown world bullshit we live in now, you realize that the entire discussion is moot.

It's the same for "rape", which used to be an infraction of the property of the father or husband, because for the longest time in human history women weren't actually considered to be able to consent. Feminists introduced that concept.
 

rockoman

Woodpecker
Age of consent by country ranges surprisingly widely from 11 (Nigeria) to 21 (Bahrain)

The general trend of the last hundred years or so has been to raise the AoC. Average age of entry into work has also risen as education continues well into the 20s for many people.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-of-consent-around-the-world.html

The historical development of AoC in the UK:

"In 1275, the first age of consent was set in England, at age 12 (Westminster 1 statute).[3] In 1875, the Offences Against the Person Act raised the age to 13 in Great Britain and Ireland, and ten years later the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885 raised it to 16.[4][5] In 1917, a bill raising the age of consent in Great Britain and Ireland from 16 to 17 was defeated by only one vote.[6]

In 1950, the Parliament of Northern Ireland passed the Children and Young Persons Act, which successfully raised the age of consent to 17.[7] However, in 2008 this enactment was reversed by the British government in the Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008, which made the age of consent in Northern Ireland 16, regardless of sexual orientation or gender.[8] The reason given for this Order being made was to bring the age of consent into line with the rest of the United Kingdom. The Criminal Justice Minister, Paul Goggins, said there was no compelling reason for the age to be different in Northern Ireland.[9] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform_in_the_United_Kingdom

Just to make it clear, I advocate neither illegal behaviour nor any change in the law.
 

mammal

Woodpecker
TheFinalEpic said:
Immediate solicitation is always a red flag, and having morality is a good way to avoid this.
In the sexual arena, morality also protects you from a slut who found out she's pregnant by a loser and suddenly wants to have sex with you so you'll think you're bringing up your baby.
Morality is also the way to avoid many kinds of scams that play on greed, from offers to buy stolen merchandise emails to offering billions of dollars.
 

RIslander

Hummingbird
Culture is water and faith is the vase. I'm not a church going man myself but the breakdown of Christianity is to blame for this type of shit. Countries with a strong faith, that is morally sound, protect their children. The opinion of pedophilia in the public is slowly turning neutral and cases are being censored by the media because of this breakdown.

I worked with a guy a few years ago who I absolutely couldn't stand. I didn't know why but I hated the guy. He left my company and became a pilot at a major airline... 200k/year job flying 767's. Turns out the guy was raping his step daughter for years and filming it. The shitbag got 30 in state prison and then will likely get the same after in federal prison. It barely made the local news... how is this not national news for someone who had so much responsibility? That was enough for me to realize we are all being groomed to look the other way on this.
 
BlackFriar said:
You can take this comment for what it is worth. But at least listen to what I say:

100+/- years ago...men in their 20s and 30s were marrying 14-17 year old girls. 40 years ago, 30 year old men still dated, married and impregnated 16/17 year old girls. (My parents did this.) Now...post 2010. Parents can give hormones to their kids and try to change their gender or tell them it is completely normal for kids to do this.
If you'd think about it for a second, you'd realize that more things have changed, not just "acceptable dating age".

100 years ago, tight-knit societies still existed and actually consisted a good part of groups of people in the West. Industrial revolution has already kicked in and things have started to change, but the values were still in place and people, for the most part, stayed among their relatives in these small places where everybody knew each other.

Imagine you're living in such a place, you have a family and a teenage daughter. When you hear that Joe, an established farmer from the other end of town, would like to marry your daughter, you'd probably hear it from him, because he'd ask your permission first. Even if not, you probably know the guy or his parents, and know he's a solid, responsible guy. So, when 25 year old Joe wants to marry your 15-year-old daughter, you know that she will be with a reasonable, hard-working man who will provide for her and your inevitable grandchildren - because if not, everybody knows that you will learn, sooner or later, from her or from the neighbors that something is wrong, and Joe will have sworn enemies in you and your other family members. Meanwhile, if some drifter wanted to seduce your daughter, you'd rightfully chase him away with a shotgun.

Today, in our globalist society, things have changed. People constantly come and go from place to place, talk through the internet like we're doing now, and as a rule of thumb, the family ties are much weaker now. So, potential predators don't have to worry about angry family members going after them, but instead are threatened by laws of consent and sexual offender registry. How do you imagine it working now? Today, if a father of a teenage daughter hears of a much older man trying to "court" her, he knows that marriage and successful family is out of the question, not only because we're conditioned with education cycle lasting half of our lifetimes and people becoming de-facto adults near 30, but mostly because the society is much more loose, much more dynamic, and much more prone to deviancy than before. People not only know that it's all about sex for its own sake, but they ENCOURAGE it, and at the same time trying, futilely, to shield their children from it until it's too late, the bird flies out of the nest into the world.

Also, don't forget about contraceptives and how much of a change they were.
 
d said:
Today, if a father of a teenage daughter hears of a much older man trying to "court" her, he knows that marriage and successful family is out of the question
I don't quite understand what rules it out.
 

la bodhisattva

Kingfisher
Cops spend their time creating fake profiles and chatting with desperate, depressed men who are social lepers, cast out and tormented and bullied and dehumanized and trick them into attempting to begin a physical relationship with likely the one person who they feel is voluntarily choosing to spend time with them. Real, honest-to-God, street-saving police work.

I liken this to a few cops placing a money clip on the sidewalk, hiding behind the bushes, and strong-arm arresting the first MAN who walks by and picks it up. They are setting up a crime to be committed.

As for the argument that this is simply nabbing the guy before he can actually victimize a real girl. Nope, never. We've seen these guys on to Catch a Predator. No teenage girl is going to be "groomed" by some wily, overweight, balding 40-year-old virgin. I work with teenage girls, NONE of them would ever invite a gross old man over to "hang out."
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
la bodhisattva said:
Cops spend their time creating fake profiles and chatting with desperate, depressed men who are social lepers, cast out and tormented and bullied and dehumanized and trick them into attempting to begin a physical relationship with likely the one person who they feel is voluntarily choosing to spend time with them. Real, honest-to-God, street-saving police work.

I liken this to a few cops placing a money clip on the sidewalk, hiding behind the bushes, and strong-arm arresting the first MAN who walks by and picks it up. They are setting up a crime to be committed.

As for the argument that this is simply nabbing the guy before he can actually victimize a real girl. Nope, never. We've seen these guys on to Catch a Predator. No teenage girl is going to be "groomed" by some wily, overweight, balding 40-year-old virgin. I work with teenage girls, NONE of them would ever invite a gross old man over to "hang out."
Not to mention that some teenage girls are master manipulators, light years beyond whatever sad attempts these guys make. The real danger in these situations isn't female naivete, it is female overconfidence.

I bet some of these girls get themselves into trouble thinking they can easily control anything that comes up.
 
I agree 100%. It is very obvious the perp here could not have orchestrated this with a real person, of legal age or of any age. It seems he was carrying on with the deputy for a long period of time and thought there was a connection, but it is unlikely any real person would have carried on with him offering him false hopes. No doubt he would have preferred an adult woman living closer to him had any such woman been on offer.
RexImperator said:
No, it would be like if FBI agents found a 75 IQ drooling retard, gave him a gun, and pressured and coerced him to pull the trigger.
If you look into it, you’ll see that this is actually the FBI’s standard operating procedure, when it comes to terrorism arrests since 9/11. Just replace the gun with a fake explosive device.
 
wwtl said:
d said:
Today, if a father of a teenage daughter hears of a much older man trying to "court" her, he knows that marriage and successful family is out of the question
I don't quite understand what rules it out.
Sexual revolution. Overabundance of porn (do you remember the statistics proclaiming that the most searched term in most of the world was "teen"?). Propaganda. Delayed maturity, both emotional and economical, which I've described previously. These days, wanting to marry in your teens is considered insane - because, in your youth, you cannot afford it, and in your older age, you're considered a pervert even if your intentions are pure.

Responding for posterity, no idea why the user was banned, he seemed legit and well onto his spiritual path.
 

RIslander

Hummingbird
I admit that this does seem like a waste of police resources. They're baiting lonely men into scenarios they could never get in to naturally. Child trafficking and prostitution are far worse problems to tackle. What happens when these guys are released as sex offenders and unemployable? They're going to say what do I have to lose and resort to crime.

As said above, pretty teenage girls are not inviting fat old incels to their homes when the parents are away. Now if they used chubby unattractive teens as bait then they'd actually be doing something... I'm willing to bet that does actually occur.
 
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