Mandatory vaccination policies

Prores

Sparrow
Orthodox
If you're Christian you believe that Christ is almighty and not some dark forces. The "resistance is worthless" approach to me looks like worshipping the elites like some pagan gods.

Your point about collective repentance is refuted by Christian history too. Plenty of evil forces in European history were stopped through resistance without any sort of 'collective repentance' beforehand. The 'collective repentance' mindset led to defeatism and phenomenons like flagellants, people whiping themselves on the streets instead of actually standing up to the evil.

By your logic if you lived in 1520s Europe, you'd say that the Satanic godless Ottoman Empire can't be stopped and they've "accounted for resistance" and military defense is useless and there should just be some processions of repentance and people whipping themselves. In reality, the onslaught was stopped by brutal Landsknecht mercenaries at Vienna in 1529 who had just years prior to that raped their way through Italy and sacked Rome, and showed no repentance of that. They stopped the Turks because they had balls and good military leadership, and did not have any respect for the Turkish army even though it outnumbered them 10:1, because they were not defeatists who'd attribute superpowers to their enemies. This is because God always rewards the brave, and plenty of examples of history show that. A lot of times Christians were saved by people who lived far from model Christian lives.

It’s not logic and it’s not mine. This is what the saints of the Orthodox Church tell us.
Incidentally what is happening now is not comparable to any other event in history. “Having balls” will not get you out of this. Pride got us into this, only humility will get us out.
 

RedLagoon

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
The idea that "shadowy groups" can run things for prolonged time is totally disproved by history. If you want to rule, you eventually have to show your face and show you are in control. If you don't do that, the middlemen just take over and oust you. Proven time and time again.

If these "shadowy groups" were so powerful, they would not be in the shadows but would come out and they would not need to play games. If they are in the shadows they're not powerful. It's that simple.

Your theory basically depends on some hyper-reality where everything is supposedly just a show for the elites, and everything that ever happens is just "part of the plan" and "what they want you to think". You'd also have to assume not just the West but also China, Russia etc. are totally under control of who knows who and everything that happens in politics is just some weird game and not real. And from that it just goes to endless elite-worshipping and blackpilling. I wonder what would it take for you to reconsider your theory. I bet that even if massive unscaled Europe-wide noncompliance happens and vax passes are removed indefinitely, you'd still say this is "exactly what they planned for". Like I said, it's defeatist, blackpilling, elite-worshipping position.

I guess I'm just a "conspiracy theorist".

And and to suggest that large scale non compliance would happen is more magic thinking than I do. 70% is already vaxxed.

Your thoughts are actually secular. In Christianity we DO believe in a certain "hidden hand".

Maybe try and find a different forum because Satan is definitely real and always works in the shadows.
 

C-Note

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
Now an actual pandemic could happen in America's most populous city due to poor sanitation. The hits just keep coming.
If we're lucky, de Blasio will declare a health emergency and ask the governor to send in the national guard. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would look seeing National Guard troops collecting garbage?
 

Redcrosse

Kingfisher
Other Christian
It’s not logic and it’s not mine. This is what the saints of the Orthodox Church tell us.
Incidentally what is happening now is not comparable to any other event in history. “Having balls” will not get you out of this. Pride got us into this, only humility will get us out.
I have to say, Warrior Nobility makes some good points in his recent posts. I think you’re not addressing his specific arguments. And I think the “resistance is worthless” notion is very dangerous and reading into scripture something that isn’t really there.

Now I don’t agree with everything Warrior says and I do think there is a clear agenda being pursued - basically, to replace the current system with stakeholder capitalism. But that doesn’t mean everything the elites do is 3D chess. They aren’t omniscient gods and they aren’t always playing 3D chess anymore than Trump was. I firmly believe they didn’t know the clot shots were clot shots. There was no 3D chess there, it wasn’t part of the plan to have people dropping dead after getting the shot, it was an unforeseen eventuality. But it’s exactly that kind of miscalculation that we can use and should not let go off.
 
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PolishCalifornian

Robin
Catholic

At this point I see no advantage whatsoever to the jabs. Granted, I have a unique life situation and don’t work in an office, but as far as going out, everyone is expected to wear masks indoors except when covid magically disappears while you’re stuffing your face with a burger or beer. Covid lives in the 5-7 ft. elevation though so when you stand up to go take a leak or order more food, you must put it back on. Even in workplaces that have a mix of mandates/exemptions, all employees are expected to get tested weekly, once for the jabbed and twice (or daily) for the unjabbed. I’m hopeful that the high amount of resistance that is causing real-world disruptions will tip the scales somewhat back to sanity. That may be a tough sell though in places where a high percentage of people wear masks outdoors while walking alone. People in masks driving in a car by themselves is a common sight where I live.
 

Seadog

Kingfisher
The idea that "shadowy groups" can run things for prolonged time is totally disproved by history. If you want to rule, you eventually have to show your face and show you are in control. If you don't do that, the middlemen just take over and oust you. Proven time and time again.

If these "shadowy groups" were so powerful, they would not be in the shadows but would come out and they would not need to play games. If they are in the shadows they're not powerful. It's that simple.

Your theory basically depends on some hyper-reality where everything is supposedly just a show for the elites, and everything that ever happens is just "part of the plan" and "what they want you to think". You'd also have to assume not just the West but also China, Russia etc. are totally under control of who knows who and everything that happens in politics is just some weird game and not real. And from that it just goes to endless elite-worshipping and blackpilling. I wonder what would it take for you to reconsider your theory. I bet that even if massive unscaled Europe-wide noncompliance happens and vax passes are removed indefinitely, you'd still say this is "exactly what they planned for". Like I said, it's defeatist, blackpilling, elite-worshipping position.

I kind of subscribe to this idea as well, a combination of perverse short term incentives, as well as not attributing to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

Basically media catches wind of a bug 18 months ago, then blasts fear porn 24/7 to try and save their dying industry. Being more pervasive than every, and people being less apt to think for themselves and more cowardly than ever, they it up with both hands.

Politicians, also lacking courage and leadership merely respond to the way the wind blows so they can keep power and make people like them. Might as well grab a bit more for yourself while they're at it. Hence, you get closing of everything, squashing of rights, and money printer go brrrrr.

Big pharmaceutical companies get dollar signs in their eyes, rush out a "vaccine", and like any good marketeer, downplay the negative, upsell the positive. "Safe and effective! Side effects rare! Give to your children!".

You now have two groups. White collar/gov't types who've only been positively impacted since they now work from home for the same pay, and blue collar work with your hands types who are getting free gov't money. The vast majority are happy to see this situation continue indefinitely. You have gov't workers who produce nothing, and blue collar workers getting paid for nothing. 6 months later people are surprised when there is nothing to buy and bacon costs $10/lb.

Now, turns out vaccines aren't nearly as effective as we were told (boosters forever! - more dollar signs), people still have fear burned in their psyche, and the media, in that never ending quest for eyeballs switches from death counts to case counts, without mentioning that death rates have plummeted. People continue to run around saying the sky is falling, something must be done.

Cognitive dissonance runs strong. It simply can't be true that the vaccines are safe and effective and everyone should get one, and that they're so ineffective that merely being around an unvaxxed person will probably kill you. But no matter. Like every good story, it needs a villan, and the unvaxxed fulfill that role beautifully. No different than every purge/which hunt/persecution/genocide of the past. Like every time in a fantasy story something unexplainable happens and "A wizard did it" as an easy cop-out, it's the same thing here. Anytime there's a pandemic related problem/conflict/inconsistency, "It's the fault of the anti-vaxxers". The media is only all too eager to stoke the fires of division, while simultaneous pushing their righteous (in their mind) agenda (blame whitey), as all this division leads to more $ for them. Meanwhile society burns.

I'm with WN in that I don't think it's shadowy cabals with wretched plans. Merely a 7 party prisoner's dilemma, abetted by ignorance, opportunism, shortsightedness, cowardice and above all fear. In short, human nature on steroids. Everyone acted in their own best short term interest. There was nothing illogical or conspiratorial about it, It's just that had ppl actually sat down and thought where all this leads, it should have been fairly obvious.
 

Prores

Sparrow
Orthodox
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth rise up and the rulers band together against the LORD and against his anointed, saying, “Let us break their chains and throw off their shackles.” The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. He rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, “I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain.”

Psalm 2
 

Sam Malone

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member

"...high winds..."


:hmm:


It's actually more surprising that 'staffing problems' is noted.

High winds, rain, and anything else weather-related that causes delay or cancelation of flights exempts the airline from having to compensate passengers for the delay or cancelation. It's in the Contract Of Carriage as Act Of God.

I'd be interested to know what the passengers were told as to why their flights were canceled.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Re: "...high winds..."

Receipts via Posobiec...

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budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member


Pilot Joshua Yoder, who is the co-founder of the U.S. Freedom Flyers that recently produced a video that we published, appeared as a guest on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox this week.

He made sure to explain that he and his group would never endorse a strike or "sick out" as he knows that this is illegal.

Here is what he did say on national TV:

"As we know the transportation sector is the heart and soul of this country. And it's a very delicate system. If there's a disruption in one part of the system, it has a catastrophic effect among the rest of the system, which is going to affect commerce, it's going to affect trade, and ultimately it is going to affect the economy.

If you have flights reduced by 30% because 30% of the pilots are fired because they won't take the vaccine, this is going to affect how your goods get here from overseas, how they're distributed to the stores.

We have all the control. And the control comes from a simple word. And that's "no." We just don't need to comply.

I think you will see massive disruptions in the supply chain and in your travel, if we just stand up and say "no."

If these companies fire us, and they fire 30% of the workforce, aircraft are going to stop moving. And it's going to affect you.

It's going to affect your air travel, and its going to affect the economy."

Another commercial airline pilot, who was only identified as "David in Orange County," called into the American Journal show on Infowars.com this week.

He addressed the issue of flying with pilots who have taken the COVID-19 shot, and their increased risks for blood clots.
 
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