Mandatory vaccination policies

Parmesan

Pelican
Other Christian
One thing I've never understood is how one offers a religious exemption and then denies it? How do you deny anyone's sincerely held belief, especially if they had submitted even paperwork for the extra legwork that shouldn't (but was asked for) be required? Even if you had had vaccines in your life before, they act like that's relevant to a person who is different age, stage in life, or even has immunity ... whatever clown world keeps truckin'
Because these Godless administrative lesbians drool at the thought of you submitting your faith for THEIR approval.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Because these Godless administrative lesbians drool at the thought of you submitting your faith for THEIR approval.
Correct. They are trapped though. The thing is clearly a non issue and the idea that accommodation, at a minimum through a leave of sorts to "bypass" should have been done at a minimum. Now the "emergency" is over and what do they have to show for it? I think the most annoying part is the legal aspect - you've gotta pay someone with money and/or time for them to come to the table.
 

TrainedLogosmotion

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Correct. They are trapped though. The thing is clearly a non issue and the idea that accommodation, at a minimum through a leave of sorts to "bypass" should have been done at a minimum. Now the "emergency" is over and what do they have to show for it? I think the most annoying part is the legal aspect - you've gotta pay someone with money and/or time for them to come to the table.
A buddy of mine in Alabama had a fantastic 6-figure job as a security analyst for a big corporation. During covid they were saying he needed the vax or hit the road. He found a way to avoid taking it. Guess what? Corporation just shut down his whole branch and he lost his job this week. So all those people that were so worried that they needed it for their job took it for nothing. Just a buncha conned cogs. Sad! Imagine that lol.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Corporation just shut down his whole branch and he lost his job this week.
For other reasons? Ha.

Who would want to work for such scum in the first place, but yes, you bet your little bottom I'd go after them if they violated the law for something like that, hoax and all. I wonder if the economy and dollar falling apart will make this a sad footnote that ends up being denied/dismissed.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
One thing I've never understood is how one offers a religious exemption and then denies it? How do you deny anyone's sincerely held belief, especially if they had submitted even paperwork for the extra legwork that shouldn't (but was asked for) be required? Even if you had had vaccines in your life before, they act like that's relevant to a person who is different age, stage in life, or even has immunity ... whatever clown world keeps truckin'

Don't try to think logically when it comes to COVID.

This was never about logic or even science. It was about power and control.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Don't try to think logically when it comes to COVID.

This was never about logic or even science. It was about power and control.
My question is more about the appearance of logic and argument if/when fighting in the legal system against it. I know the system is also BS, but there are some people who still win here and there, due to the law supposedly being a template to be followed.
 

GodGiveMeStrength

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
Any time I read something like this, I think: is this truly a win? Wouldn't it be better for the forces of evil to push straight to the end? Now it's a landmark 100 km progress, for them to regress a bit, then moving on 100 km again, retreating a few kilometres, and so the cycle continues. It's smart PR though: the criticasters and truth spherers do view a message like this somewhat as a victory, and therefore get lulled back into complacency, hoping things ''will turn better now'', then being unprepared when the next 100 km move is started.

"Yeah so my kid's 3rd grade class is making him wear a name tag with his pronouns on it and his teacher has introduced "gay theory" into their curriculum, but at least he doesn't have to get his 5th booster anymore! HA! LET'S GO BRANDON!"
 

chance vought

Kingfisher
Protestant
Any time I read something like this, I think: is this truly a win? Wouldn't it be better for the forces of evil to push straight to the end? Now it's a landmark 100 km progress, for them to regress a bit, then moving on 100 km again, retreating a few kilometres, and so the cycle continues. It's smart PR though: the criticasters and truth spherers do view a message like this somewhat as a victory, and therefore get lulled back into complacency, hoping things ''will turn better now'', then being unprepared when the next 100 km move is started.
Yes it’s a win. They only pulled back because a large minority was rejecting it, and if they know if they HAD continued to push it, with so many people in open rebellion, that would have been opening the flood gates of civil disobedience to other areas of state control.

We don’t need 51% to win, only an intransigent minority. No need to convert the midwits or fix twitter, as long as the smartest and most productive people are free to communicate anonymously and to vote with their feet.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Yes it’s a win. They only pulled back because a large minority was rejecting it, and if they know if they HAD continued to push it, with so many people in open rebellion, that would have been opening the flood gates of civil disobedience to other areas of state control.

We don’t need 51% to win, only an intransigent minority. No need to convert the midwits or fix twitter, as long as the smartest and most productive people are free to communicate anonymously and to vote with their feet.
Yeah a small motivated minority certainly is more powerful than the 90% of sheep. But in my experience, in the Netherlands at least, there was absolutely no direct reason to pull back, for there wasn't really influential resistance at all. They were even talking about coming with vaccine mandates for all workplaces. It was really weird to see them withdraw - therefore I'm inclined to think that they got their preferred terrain win, got back to their labs and are preparing the next, bigger thing. By the way overall there's still quite some (travel) corona limitations globally: 50% of the countries still have a test requirement up. So in some respects the system has endured to a degree, although I'm not sure that there's too much mandatory measures still around on the ground.
 

Aldebaran

Robin
Protestant
Yes it’s a win. They only pulled back because a large minority was rejecting it, and if they know if they HAD continued to push it, with so many people in open rebellion, that would have been opening the flood gates of civil disobedience to other areas of state control.

We don’t need 51% to win, only an intransigent minority. No need to convert the midwits or fix twitter, as long as the smartest and most productive people are free to communicate anonymously and to vote with their feet.

Is that really the reason? In my experience an overwhelming majority supported the whole thing to the very end.

The only reason it ended, in my opinion, was to shift the people's attention to Ukraine.
 

chance vought

Kingfisher
Protestant
Is that really the reason? In my experience an overwhelming majority supported the whole thing to the very end.

The only reason it ended, in my opinion, was to shift the people's attention to Ukraine.
That may be so, but after the "winter of illness and death" didn't happen, the majority of my peers were ignoring local ordinances, and 2 of them had police encounters (but not arrested) in the covidian strongholds of Chicago and NY. Our direct subordinates tended to be still 80% covidian adherents, or at least not as willing or able to ignore the rules as we were able to. In a way I understand their compliance, as an arrest would probably get them fired. It makes it hard to gauge how much is from fear VS belief, where my peers have much less fear from getting fired for breaking BS rules (my friend did get arrested while on a work trip, and since has been promoted to a management position.)
 

Aldebaran

Robin
Protestant
That may be so, but after the "winter of illness and death" didn't happen, the majority of my peers were ignoring local ordinances, and 2 of them had police encounters (but not arrested) in the covidian strongholds of Chicago and NY. Our direct subordinates tended to be still 80% covidian adherents, or at least not as willing or able to ignore the rules as we were able to. In a way I understand their compliance, as an arrest would probably get them fired. It makes it hard to gauge how much is from fear VS belief, where my peers have much less fear from getting fired for breaking BS rules (my friend did get arrested while on a work trip, and since has been promoted to a management position.)

There certainly were some places in the US where a lot of people were sceptical.

But in Europe, Canada, South America, Asia and of course Australia/NZ? Complete and utter compliance to the very end. And loud protests when it ended.
 

Parmesan

Pelican
Other Christian
Is that really the reason? In my experience an overwhelming majority supported the whole thing to the very end.

The only reason it ended, in my opinion, was to shift the people's attention to Ukraine.
I was actually surprised they dropped it in America's deeply liberal urban centers. In my largish metro area, any sort of dissent was clearly in the minority, easily 75%+ either fully supported it or merely accepted it. I assumed it was never going away. I still see probably 10-20% of people wearing masks in deep blue parts of the city. It was extremely disappointing to see the way people rolled over and accepted it. When it comes to liberals, I honestly think they would march their children to their own deaths if the media and their liberal political leaders told them to. There is no saving them at this point.
There certainly were some places in the US where a lot of people were sceptical.

But in Europe, Canada, South America, Asia and of course Australia/NZ? Complete and utter compliance to the very end. And loud protests when it ended.
For all the smug superiority places like Australia and the EU always displayed against "muh freedoms" Americans, it turns out those "rednecks" proved to be the only people who weren't willing to roll over for some feminized, power hungry bureaucrats. Suddenly they don't look so stupid. I don't know much about the media landscape in places like Asia and South America, but I doubt there is anything close to "conservative" news in those places. Canada's biggest dissident news service is Rebel Media, which is basically a glorified YouTube channel and Twitter feed. For all the hate FoxNews gets, who knows how liberally cucked America would be without it. Them, combined with the popularity of Rush Limbaugh and talk radio beginning in the 80s/90s, might be the only reason we aren't Canada right now.
 

Sanctus

Woodpecker
Protestant
For all the smug superiority places like Australia and the EU always displayed against "muh freedoms" Americans

What are you talking about?
We had one of the highest compliance rates here in Australia. Relax, no one was making fun of Americans (this time) and no here was acting smug about not complying. Many people had their lives ruined - myself included - over this jab nonsense.
 

Parmesan

Pelican
Other Christian
What are you talking about?
We had one of the highest compliance rates here in Australia. Relax, no one was making fun of Americans (this time) and no here was acting smug about not complying. Many people had their lives ruined - myself included - over this jab nonsense.
I wasn’t specifically speaking about the Covid era. Dismissive attitudes about American culture and enshrined freedoms are a common thing in Europe and the Commonwealth, at least from what I’ve seen.
 

Sanctus

Woodpecker
Protestant
I wasn’t specifically speaking about the Covid era. Dismissive attitudes about American culture and enshrined freedoms are a common thing in Europe and the Commonwealth, at least from what I’ve seen.
What a weird thing to care about: "People are mean to Americans and dismissive about our freedoms"
Why do Americans care so much about what others think of them?
 

president

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
What a weird thing to care about: "People are mean to Americans and dismissive about our freedoms"
Why do Americans care so much about what others think of them?
Our Constitutionally protected ability to say FU to a tyrannical government, first in practice but lately relegated more so to theory, is indeed exceptional the world over.

That's why people care. Foreigners' opinions on Americans' freedoms is a bellwether on how much they value their own freedom.
 
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