Marijuana

M3B

Ostrich
Gold Member
Gents, I have a question about this. Some background:

- Never smoked pot in my life, in my 40s
- Wife smoked it in high school socially, never addicted, before she was a Christian
- I never had alcohol until around age 25. Now we enjoy it together, dates at home, or socially.
- I also smoke a pipe once or twice a week.

So I'm wondering about trying this stuff out with the wife. I know many of you think it's horrible but what I'm reading is guys who smoked every day for six years, that the effects of addiction are bad. I totally agree, but what about very occasional recreational use? How does it compare to alcohol, about the same?

My neighbor upstairs is definitely addicted, makes "edibles" for income, and gave me a small sample free. I'm sort of afraid of the stuff, and almost threw it out, but wifey wants to try it with me for fun. I have no fear that either of us would be in danger of addiction, more wondering what you all think in terms of trying it out once.
Try it and enjoy it. There's loads of hyperbole in this thread.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gents, I have a question about this. Some background:

- Never smoked pot in my life, in my 40s
- Wife smoked it in high school socially, never addicted, before she was a Christian
- I never had alcohol until around age 25. Now we enjoy it together, dates at home, or socially.
- I also smoke a pipe once or twice a week.

So I'm wondering about trying this stuff out with the wife. I know many of you think it's horrible but what I'm reading is guys who smoked every day for six years, that the effects of addiction are bad. I totally agree, but what about very occasional recreational use? How does it compare to alcohol, about the same?

My neighbor upstairs is definitely addicted, makes "edibles" for income, and gave me a small sample free. I'm sort of afraid of the stuff, and almost threw it out, but wifey wants to try it with me for fun. I have no fear that either of us would be in danger of addiction, more wondering what you all think in terms of trying it out once.
I wouldn’t try it out. It will add no value to your life and may or mostly likely will have a negative impact on your life.
 

droughtmeat

Kingfisher
Catholic
Gents, I have a question about this. Some background:

- Never smoked pot in my life, in my 40s
- Wife smoked it in high school socially, never addicted, before she was a Christian
- I never had alcohol until around age 25. Now we enjoy it together, dates at home, or socially.
- I also smoke a pipe once or twice a week.

So I'm wondering about trying this stuff out with the wife. I know many of you think it's horrible but what I'm reading is guys who smoked every day for six years, that the effects of addiction are bad. I totally agree, but what about very occasional recreational use? How does it compare to alcohol, about the same?

My neighbor upstairs is definitely addicted, makes "edibles" for income, and gave me a small sample free. I'm sort of afraid of the stuff, and almost threw it out, but wifey wants to try it with me for fun. I have no fear that either of us would be in danger of addiction, more wondering what you all think in terms of trying it out once.
Depends on your level of self control. In terms of drugs, it's essentially possible to experiment with occasional use of pretty much anything except the heavy stufff, like heroin or meth, because apparently the high is simply so intense that your life instantly becomes miserable once the effect starts to wane. Therefore, maximum effort is put into getting the next dose.

At best your recreational use will have a neutral effect on your life and at worst it could make a lot of things deteriorate.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gents, I have a question about this. Some background:

- Never smoked pot in my life, in my 40s
- Wife smoked it in high school socially, never addicted, before she was a Christian
- I never had alcohol until around age 25. Now we enjoy it together, dates at home, or socially.
- I also smoke a pipe once or twice a week.

So I'm wondering about trying this stuff out with the wife. I know many of you think it's horrible but what I'm reading is guys who smoked every day for six years, that the effects of addiction are bad. I totally agree, but what about very occasional recreational use? How does it compare to alcohol, about the same?

My neighbor upstairs is definitely addicted, makes "edibles" for income, and gave me a small sample free. I'm sort of afraid of the stuff, and almost threw it out, but wifey wants to try it with me for fun. I have no fear that either of us would be in danger of addiction, more wondering what you all think in terms of trying it out once.
It's not worth it. Don't bother. Throw it away, don't listen to your wife
 

SeaEagle

Robin
Catholic
Gents, I have a question about this. Some background:

- Never smoked pot in my life, in my 40s
- Wife smoked it in high school socially, never addicted, before she was a Christian
- I never had alcohol until around age 25. Now we enjoy it together, dates at home, or socially.
- I also smoke a pipe once or twice a week.

So I'm wondering about trying this stuff out with the wife. I know many of you think it's horrible but what I'm reading is guys who smoked every day for six years, that the effects of addiction are bad. I totally agree, but what about very occasional recreational use? How does it compare to alcohol, about the same?

My neighbor upstairs is definitely addicted, makes "edibles" for income, and gave me a small sample free. I'm sort of afraid of the stuff, and almost threw it out, but wifey wants to try it with me for fun. I have no fear that either of us would be in danger of addiction, more wondering what you all think in terms of trying it out once.
I had no fear of addiction at first, but it's an insidious drug. It seems harmless and even beneficial due to its introspection inducing properties, but it's no better than masturbation. It damaged short term memory and drive as well.

Not to put rats in your head, but you might see your wife in a less positive light after seeing them stoned and vice versa.
 

NotaBene

Robin
Protestant
Depends on your level of self control. In terms of drugs, it's essentially possible to experiment with occasional use of pretty much anything

I've heard the same. I really don't think it would be the kind of thing I would get addicted to.

Not to put rats in your head, but you might see your wife in a less positive light

Actually it might be quite the opposite. I like getting tipsy together watching old shows/movies. It's one of our favorite dates. But I see your point I guess.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I've heard the same. I really don't think it would be the kind of thing I would get addicted to.



Actually it might be quite the opposite. I like getting tipsy together watching old shows/movies. It's one of our favorite dates. But I see your point I guess.
If you are doing edibles there's a chance you will have a bad time. I'm speaking from experience here. I regret to admit that I used to be a pretty hardcore stoner. And despite years of smoking it, I could not always handle edibles. It was basically a coin toss as to whether I'd have a good time or an existential crisis.

It's not really worth getting involved with. It's not going to enrich your life in any way whatsoever even if you never touched it again afterwards.
 

NotaBene

Robin
Protestant
If you are doing edibles there's a chance you will have a bad time. I'm speaking from experience here. I regret to admit that I used to be a pretty hardcore stoner. And despite years of smoking it, I could not always handle edibles. It was basically a coin toss as to whether I'd have a good time or an existential crisis.

It's not really worth getting involved with. It's not going to enrich your life in any way whatsoever even if you never touched it again afterwards.

Fair enough. Is the chance of a bad time due to the dosage? I mean would a quarter of one of those tiny squares really result in some kind of horrible time?

Leaning toward following everyone's advice and just throwing them out, but still kind of curious what all the fuss is about. I guess at the end of the day I'm happy with the occasional enjoyment of alcohol and tobacco. No need to add another thing to the list of "things to regulate and be self-controlled about".
 

Worst User

Pigeon
Orthodox
Fair enough. Is the chance of a bad time due to the dosage? I mean would a quarter of one of those tiny squares really result in some kind of horrible time?

Leaning toward following everyone's advice and just throwing them out, but still kind of curious what all the fuss is about. I guess at the end of the day I'm happy with the occasional enjoyment of alcohol and tobacco. No need to add another thing to the list of "things to regulate and be self-controlled about".
If you've never tried the stuff before, edibles will give you a panic attack. I can almost guarantee it.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
I smoked a lot of pot in my younger days. It was pretty much a daily activity. It's hard to classify. I would probably call it a light psychedelic. "Light" in that it doesn't place one in a different reality, yet it changes the way one perceives the existing reality.

I neither advocate nor condemn marijuana use. But I had enough of it a long time ago. I tried a bit for the first time in many years during a trip to Colorado a while ago,...high grade stuff. It was familiar, of course. But I realized that I didn't enjoy the sensation any longer.

Mostly, it makes me feel like I'm not as properly attuned to my surroundings as I like to be these days. In the world we live in today, it's important to be in tune with one's surroundings,...especially in an unfamiliar environment, as I was at the time.

Not being as alert as I felt I needed to be resulted in a moderate amount of anxiety. It was uncomfortable.

Alcohol just blots you out. One doesn't allow themselves to be concerned about such things as their surroundings and the possible consequences of them when under the influence of alcohol.

Pot isn't like that. Pot will make one introspective and maybe overly concerned with their surroundings,....and also puts them in a condition where they don't feel particularly competent in handling any adverse events that may result.

It was a fun thing when the world was different. But it doesn't feel right to me in today's world.

We ain't in Kansas no more, Toto.
 
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Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
THC and CBD may have medical benefits in specifics settings and doses, but getting high / smoking pot and spiritual growth are mutually exclusive.
I don't know. I definitely believe that alcohol gets in the way of spiritual development. Alcohol throws one's inhibitions out the window and any number of things can result in that condition. Most of them aren't conducive to an advancement in spiritual development.

In my opinion, Marijuana doesn't do that. It depends on the individual, of course. But in many cases Marijuana makes a person more inhibited than normal. It also don't produce the "blotto" effect that alcohol and many other drugs are known for. (well, maybe if it's consumed in extreme quantity. But even then the effect is different than alcohol.)

I no longer use Marijuana for the reasons spelled out in my previous post. And I don't advocate that anyone pick it up and start using it.

But for me, Marijuana always brought on a quiet, thoughtful state of mind. It would cause me to sit and ponder many things. When I was of the age where I was using it on a regular basis, I wasn't particularly concerned with my spiritual health. But I can see how the thoughtful aspect of Marijuana's effects could cause one to ponder spirituality as much as it could cause them to ponder any other topic.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
I smoked a lot of pot in my younger days. It was pretty much a daily activity. It's hard to classify. I would probably call it a light psychedelic. "Light" in that it doesn't place one in a different reality, yet it changes the way one perceives the existing reality.

I neither advocate nor condemn marijuana use. But I had enough of it a long time ago. I tried a bit for the first time in many years during a trip to Colorado a while ago,...high grade stuff. It was familiar, of course. But I realized that I didn't enjoy the sensation any longer.

Mostly, it makes me feel like I'm not as properly attuned to my surroundings as I like to be these days. In the world we live in today, it's important to be in tune with one's surroundings,...especially in an unfamiliar environment, as I was at the time.

Not being as alert as I felt I needed to be resulted in a moderate amount of anxiety. It was uncomfortable.

Alcohol just blots you out. One doesn't allow themselves to be concerned about such things as their surroundings and the possible consequences of them when under the influence of alcohol.

Pot isn't like that. Pot will make one introspective and maybe overly concerned with their surroundings,....and also puts them in a condition where they don't feel particularly competent in handling any adverse events that may result.

It was a fun thing when the world was different. But it doesn't feel right to me in today's world.

We ain't in Kansas no more, Toto.
This is very close to my experience. I no longer enjoy it as I did 20, 30, or 40 years ago. For one thing, it's radically stronger than it used to be. It instantly makes me too stoned and burnt out, skipping right past any sensation of being high. However, the description of the anxiety, introspection, and reduced sense of being prepared to deal with things is exactly what I feel as well. It's not fun and euphoric any more. I haven't even tried it in a couple of years now.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
But for me, Marijuana always brought on a quiet, thoughtful state of mind. It would cause me to sit and ponder many things. When I was of the age where I was using it on a regular basis, I wasn't particularly concerned with my spiritual health. But I can see how the thoughtful aspect of Marijuana's effects could cause one to ponder spirituality as much as it could cause them to ponder any other topic.
I had a phase of using it, telling myself I was being spiritual. I don't remember having any insights from doing this that stuck with me. I do remember plenty of times where I would over think something to my detriment, or where I would think I'd had some profound insight when it was actually just profoundly retarded.

Its also important to remember that thoughts and suggestions are one of the ways that demons influence us. Putting oneself in a position of being extra "thoughtful" is playing with fire so far as spirituality is concerned. You'd be better off reading prayers and trying to ignore thoughts as they come up.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
I had a phase of using it, telling myself I was being spiritual. I don't remember having any insights from doing this that stuck with me. I do remember plenty of times where I would over think something to my detriment, or where I would think I'd had some profound insight when it was actually just profoundly retarded.

Its also important to remember that thoughts and suggestions are one of the ways that demons influence us. Putting oneself in a position of being extra "thoughtful" is playing with fire so far as spirituality is concerned. You'd be better off reading prayers and trying to ignore thoughts as they come up.
Well,...I never claimed that pot made me spiritual.

As for prayers, I don't read them. I construct them.

I can't see any good reason to have someone elses conversation with God.

How can a prayer that someone else wrote have any relevance to what's happening in my life that I need to talk to God about?
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Well,...I never claimed that pot made me spiritual.

As for prayers, I don't read them. I construct them.

I can't see any good reason to have someone elses conversation with God.

How can a prayer that someone else wrote have any relevance to what's happening in my life that I need to talk to God about?
I know you didn't claim that, but I was just responding to your suggestion that it might be used in that way as someone who did try it in such a manner.

Well a lot of the things we pray about are things that everyone prays about, and there are people in the history of the church who express these things far better than I can. Not to mention that these prayers highlight things that I would not think to pray about without being prompted to (things that are important). Of course there are certain things I pray about in my own words, but having read prayers written by profoundly more advanced people I have more of an idea of how one is supposed to address God. I often find that written prayers are profoundly relevant at times.
 

Trewolla

 
Banned
Protestant
Okay,

My pastor says prayers that are for everybody in the congregation and of course, I appreciate them. But for me, a big part of working on my spirituality is developing a personal dialogue with God.

It's an ongoing process. Over the past year or so, I've been given some strong hints that he's been hearing them.

I'm still a long way from being where I'd like to be. But I've been living "in" the world for a long time. Even after I've put down all of my obvious bad habits, many of my thought processes are still "in" the world.

My goal is to be "of" the world but not "in" the world,...not just externally, but internally, also.

Maybe it's a Protestant thing. I don't know if the Orthodox looks at it like that.
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
Okay,

My pastor says prayers that are for everybody in the congregation and of course, I appreciate them. But for me, a big part of working on my spirituality is developing a personal dialogue with God.

It's an ongoing process. Over the past year or so, I've been given some strong hints that he's been hearing them.

I'm still a long way from being where I'd like to be. But I've been living "in" the world for a long time. Even after I've put down all of my obvious bad habits, many of my thought processes are still "in" the world.

My goal is to be "of" the world but not "in" the world,...not just externally, but internally, also.

Maybe it's a Protestant thing. I don't know if the Orthodox looks at it like that.
Pretty much all organized religions (but especially Catholicism) place their cleric between you and God. I always saw this as a "maintain relevance" type of move. If you can have a personal relationship with God then the Church's value proposition goes way down.

That being said, for the vast majority of people regular church attendance is a positive.
 
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