Mark Minter is getting married?

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Therapsid

Pelican
Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?

He's been through this before, he knows the score. The odds for marriage suck in the West today. But maybe the odds are worth it from him at this point, with this woman.

Sure some of what he said about marriage, in particular his categorical denunciation of the institution, turns out to have been bluster. Or maybe he changed his mind. Good luck to him.
 

cardguy

 
Banned
Yeah - I have a rule in life. Which is to never give anyone any advice.

As somebody once said - 'the best thing to do with good advice is pass it on'.

So - I will never judge the actions of another man. Just a little sad to lose one of the best writers around. A bit like hearing a favourite band has split up.
 

rearman

Pelican
Grayham said:
From reading plenty of comments on CH and especially Rationalmale I believe Minter's got two kids from his former marriage and is rather well off financially.
Also Kate seems to be from a pretty rich family.
OK, so the fact that he has kids changes my view, unless he wants to sire more offspring.

But as others have pointed out, dude is pushing 60. I'm pretty sure our views on things aren't going to be the same as they are now when we are pushing 60 and facing our own mortality.
 

Blaster

Ostrich
Gold Member
arafat scarf said:
But given the circumstances, I can't consider his perspective on relationship advice except out of suspicion or personal caution. To me he's an example of who I don't want to be now and especially when I get to 58.

Honestly, as entertaining and insightful as I found many of his comments, I have always thought this way about Mr. Mark Minter. Much respect to the guy, but he and I appear to have vastly different experience, different values, and interact with the world in very different ways.

cardguy said:
As somebody once said - 'the best thing to do with good advice is pass it on'.

I have two different approaches to taking advice that I try to follow (but sometimes fail... everyone follows bad advice sometimes):

The first approach is to listen to the advice with absolutely no intention of following it, and instead reverse-engineer the useful knowledge from everything you've heard. Asking a web forum "what car should I buy?" is a good example.

The second approach is for pedagogical advice from a master or other highly credible source, and is meant for improving skills. With this approach, you temporarily suspend your ego and prejudices completely and follow the advice without question (except as necessary to understand). The key here is that you are going to learn from the experience and in order to have the experience at all you must open yourself to it. A good example would be reading BANG and doing your first approaches precisely by the book to see what happens.

Neither approach involves accepting dogma permanently without question.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Mark has to do what's best for his life, so he gets no judgement from me on that front, but based on his writing, I took him to be the last man in America who would get married. It's like me falling in love with Lindy West.
 

kbell

Crow
Gold Member
Missed this gem.

Hugh G. Rection
This is fucking priceless. Doesn’t Kate also have a child from a former entanglement?

What’s next? Roosh majoring in Women’s and Gender studies? Matt King getting laid? Heartiste is black?
 

MikeCF

Crow
Gold Member
Like most on the Internet, he was a paper alpha.

Like I've said time and again, men who get divorce raped were white knights in a previous life. Once a white night, always a white knight. A 58 year old leopard does not lost its spots.

Minter wrote well because he wrote out of bitterness and anger. His writing did not reflect deeply held philosophical beliefs. He wrote to process his anger.

Just as there aren't many atheists in fox holes, there aren't many MGTOW when hot snatch is in their face.

Who is that morbidly obese radio host that so many guys look up to? The fat fuck can't control his eating and has been married 4 times. Yet guys look up to him because he TALKS a good game.

Best of luck to Minter. Since he is a beta male to his core, the cycle of his previous relationship will repeat itself. But maybe he'll have a nice, if short, run.
 

OGNorCal707

 
Banned
I guess I'm one of the only people who doesn't seem to know who Mark Minter is, other than seeing his named mentioned here or on returnofkings, best of luck to him.
 

iknowexactly

Crow
Gold Member
From the POV of someone who's also over 50, and who has always been LTR oriented, there is something that you just can't possibly foresee when you're 35. The idea you're going to have that feeling of invincibility at 60 is as delusional as the 22 year old that thinks she's going to be just as hot at 40 as she is now.

I don't mean to discourage-- if anything go for it now.

When I was in my 20s-30s, I could not perceive time the way I do now. That sounds obvious, but I mean I could not even FORESEE seeing time as I do now.

I felt like when I met a woman, when they flirted or didn't flirt, or when they fucked me, they were actually fucking ME.

There is no solid me/you. You are a process, and young women are also processes that tend to interact with processes that are in the most desirable stage.


But as you age, you realize attractive young women are-- were--reacting to a shell, the exterior of you.
You thought it was your personality , and partially it is, but it depends to some degree on the package. But you've never been old-- how can you see that? You believe it's your cool, great personality.

As you become someone OLDER from their point of view, you lose more and more relevance to their sexual desires.

I still get attention from SOME of them, but I can clearly see it changing. Disappearing. Your reflex defense will be to say, you can oversome it with game, with status, and so forth.


Granted when you're in your 50s you can still get 8s if you are really diligent and get to Philippines or have some angle in America like James Woods does. In your 60s and even to some extent your 70s you can attract some women still somewhat attractive .

But to make an extreme example to prove my point, if you're still hanging around, stooped over, deaf, and babbling at 88 or 92, is ANYONE, ANYONE going to find you sexually attractive?

Right-- that cool, glib guy you are now will totally cease to exist. Then even the old guy you've become disappears.

I'll be the first one to admit my terror of child support and becoming an aging slave of the state.

The killer is when chicks start HUMORING you. It doesn't happen that much yet to me, I've just started to notice it sometimes.

They realize-- with mild surprise-- the old guy is flirting with them. It's a little amusing to her, as most middle-aged guys are shut down tight. You're no threat, since there's no attraction on her side. If they're polite they just want to not hurt you're feelings.

It can be disheartening not being a threat anymore.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
Therapsid said:
Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?

He's been through this before, he knows the score. The odds for marriage suck in the West today. But maybe the odds are worth it from him at this point, with this woman.

Sure some of what he said about marriage, in particular his categorical denunciation of the institution, turns out to have been bluster. Or maybe he changed his mind. Good luck to him.

"Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?"

Me. That's who. I've been through one marriage/divorce that screwed me financially. I'd rather be alone with a roof over my head in my nice little condo than live with the threat of having everything taken away again.

Look at it this way: at 70, you can always date 50 to 60-year-olds or hire whores. But you'll NEVER be able to rebuild your life financially, which is what I had to do after my divorce. The memory of that hasn't gone away. I'm not about to be handing over deeds and/or savings accounts to anyone, thank you...ESPECIALLY someone with another man's kid. I get paranoid and antsy when a woman even sleeps over, much less attempts to move in.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, as the saying goes.
 

Sp5

 
Banned
I'm about the same age, been through the same type of divorce experience.

I always thought his writings were way too bitter and yes, hateful. Ya gotta lighten up.

Like, how about having fun with women? Some kind of sense of play? Never got that from anything he wrote. More like he was on some kind of "pump and dump" revenge kick. Made me think about the Dennis Hopper character from Blue Velvet.

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The more bitter the guy is about the divorce (money aside) the more prone to one-itis.

Good luck to him and her.:s

iknowexactly said:
But as you age, you realize attractive young women are-- were--reacting to a shell, the exterior of you.
You thought it was your personality , and partially it is, but it depends to some degree on the package. But you've never been old-- how can you see that? You believe it's your cool, great personality.

As you become someone OLDER from their point of view, you lose more and more relevance to their sexual desires.

I still get attention from SOME of them, but I can clearly see it changing. Disappearing. Your reflex defense will be to say, you can oversome it with game, with status, and so forth.

Granted when you're in your 50s you can still get 8s if you are really diligent and get to Philippines or have some angle in America like James Woods does. In your 60s and even to some extent your 70s you can attract some women still somewhat attractive .

But to make an extreme example to prove my point, if you're still hanging around, stooped over, deaf, and babbling at 88 or 92, is ANYONE, ANYONE going to find you sexually attractive?

Right-- that cool, glib guy you are now will totally cease to exist. Then even the old guy you've become disappears.

I'll be the first one to admit my terror of child support and becoming an aging slave of the state.

The killer is when chicks start HUMORING you. It doesn't happen that much yet to me, I've just started to notice it sometimes.

They realize-- with mild surprise-- the old guy is flirting with them. It's a little amusing to her, as most middle-aged guys are shut down tight. You're no threat, since there's no attraction on her side. If they're polite they just want to not hurt you're feelings.

It can be disheartening not being a threat anymore.

Yep, I had a conversation with THC in Manila about this, explained to him why I was happy with women in their 40s. You can still maintain some genuine attraction with them, and down into the 30s.
 

MikeCF

Crow
Gold Member
arafat scarf said:

Smart post.

If Minter had did some sort of religious or family ceremony where he and his girl pledged fidelity and lifelong loyalty to one another, who here would hate on the guy?

Most of us would think that was pretty awesome.

Few of us are anti-monogamy in the abstract. That is, while it might not work for many of us, we won't hate on a guy who is in a relationship. If you're in love, great.

But.

Signing the legal contract of marriage makes you a little bitch. It's really that simple.
 

tiggaling

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I read some of Mark's writing and was very unimpressed, I thougth it was quite superficial and dogmatic. I found it hard to read.

As to his marriage, geez, suddenly he's getting all contractual!

Well, I know a couple of alpha guys in their 60's going after (and getting girls in their 20's and 30's) Of course, this requires a lot of status. I have to wonder is this where I want to be at their age? And I honestly don't know.

Perhaps there is part of me that still believes in such a dream of someone who fits you so well, and you resonate with so well, that you don't give a shit about their saggy flesh when you are both old.

I can see myself being in different relationships all throughout my life as I grow and evolve. I couldn't see myself being with one person, till death do us part, and certainly wouldn't make a contract for it!

However, just in hypotheticals, say I am 44 and get with a 20 year old in a presumed death do us part situation. By the time I am 64, she is (hopefully) still pretty pert at 40. By the time I am 84, she is 60. Something about ANY 84 year old being with women much younger creeps me out a little! I know people who are in their 60's who says the sex gets better with age! I'm presuming that by the time you are 82, that its not like you are going to be having sex every day or even every week!

Anyway, Mark thinks he has this scooped, by getting this age difference of 24 years, which I have given examples of. As a 58 old year old Player, I guess finding quality, youth and good company becomes harder and harder; so I understand it. What I don't understand is the necessity for putting a ring on it and getting the contract, surely we can all see that's outdated.

I wonder how long he can put up with her spouting red pill thinking and quoting Roissy's posts, before it becomes tiresome and he starts getting itchy, and remembers why he wrote some of those things he wrote about Marriage...
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
I guess it really wasn't possible for Mark to overcome his upbringing. Mark grew up in a time when everyone got married. He had a lot of bad beliefs ingrained into him over 50 years, and no amount of bitterness or ranting on the internet can change that.

I wouldn't judge him. He may simply be unable to.

Reflecting back on Minter's post in light of his current marriage (if these rumors are indeed true), it looks like as if Minter was a moth, who was warning other moths to stay away from the flame (i.e. marriage) but was still irresistibly drawn into it.
 

cardguy

 
Banned
Being single and not getting married is the easiet thing in the world for me.

But then I am an introvert. I am not shy, and I enjoy hanging with people. But I need at least half the day to myself just to chill out and read.

So - I guess I can't really relate to alot of the other guys who feel a need for a connection or companionship with somebody else for the rest of their life.

To me that would be hell. But - I have to remind myself that I shouldn't mix up my own feelings (due to introversion) with a general philosophical outlook.
 

bacan

Pelican
I wonder why she insisted on marriage. Apparently she accepts traditional female roles but begins the relationship by forcing him to publicly eat crow and look like a hypocrite? Also starting things off by announcing to your family that you are marrying someone they don't know and later find out is of concern is awkward. They could have just started dating...

I don't fault a 58 year old at all for trying to lock down a source of companionship for his later years. As easy as it is to get a divorce, it's not as easy as just walking away (though as we know divorce may include financial incentives).

I think the reason they did it was to send a clear message to their kids that they are a family now and (in theory) forever.

Does anyone have a link to some of his best writing?
 

MikeCF

Crow
Gold Member
I just read through the comments that were linked to in the first post. Pretty fucking funny.

Now the parents are upset and informed me of an appointment they have made for me with a counselor today. I am insulted, but I understand why they are concerned.

Gee. I wonder why a grown woman went to see a shrink after he parents made her?

Could it be because mommy and daddy were taking care of the single mom, and she didn't want cut off from the familiar teat?

This was also funny:
"The next time someone ’round here even thinks about criticizing me, I hope they will remember I went to fucking bat for the way of life we believe in and a woman’s right to marry a Man."

A "red pill" (lmfao at all of the DORKS who kiss up to these hags) woman is about to be married to the love of her life, and she's worried about...

the respect anonymous strangers pay her online!

This is a fucking soap opera - which is what always happens when you bring women into a boys club.

Kate will be fucking around on poor Mark Winter in no time at all. She'll probably be sucking the dick of some guy she meets on a manosphere blog - you know, one of those men who will respect her for standing by her man after mommy and daddy made her go see a shrink.

What a joke!
 
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