Marrying conservative women from abroad and bringing them over to the west

[pitt]

The thing about marrying women from abroad is that your chances of finding a good woman abroad is extremely small. It's not as simple as many on the forum make it seem.

First is that you will need to spend some time in that particular country, you need know the ins and outs, you need to speak the language well, you need to understand their culture. Also, how are you planning to meet miss conservative woman?

Good women nowadays are hard to come by even for many of these local males in third world countries. If she is hot enough and from a good family, you are probably not the only interesting guy that she can find. Is she the same race as you? If she is from a difference race, your chances are even smaller.

My best advice is, go to the country you are interested in, enroll in the local university, meet lots of girls and don't bring them over till you have established a serious relationship with her.

 

[Brodiaga]

If I remember correctly, the divorce rate with "mail order brides" in the US is twice as low as the average divorce rate.

This is given the fact that most men who bring foreign wives are betas who don't know what they doing.

If you read this forum, travel a lot, meet with more experienced guys and play your cards right, your chances of finding a good wife will be much better than those of the average beta chode.

Having said that, I would do it at this point. Even if you manage to lower the risk of divorce to 10%, marriage in the US is still a shitty deal for a man.

 

[pitt]

If I remember correctly, the divorce rate with "mail order brides" in the US is twice as low as the average divorce rate.

Source? According to many forum members, guys that bring women from abroad, the relationships tend not to work out so well.

Another thing, remember many of these ''mail order brides'' come from Asian or Latino families, couples that already share a similar cultural background are always more likely to make things work out.

 

[Phoenix]

So the answer is light imprisonment?

You find your Svetlana in Odessa, bring her back her at the ripe age of 20.
Knock her up, and have her live in your house out in the burbs.

Far from friends and family, in a new culture, trapped in some suburb with children, while you're out working (and presumably getting some on the side)

That's game?

Hell no, it isn't.

To be fair, actually yes it is. This is the way it normally goes in much of he world. Marriage is a family thing, in which the woman leaves her original family and becomes part of the family of the man. This is the origin of women taking their husbands family name, and in traditions like the man asking for permission from her father.

I'd be interested to see how many Ukrainian women actually objected to the form of 'light imprisonment' you described.

"So... the 'prison' is living in a nice house, in a safe middle-class American suburb, with my children, and all I have to do is take care of them whilst my husband brings home the money? And the alternative is live in this shithole? Hmm..........
I plead guilty! Lock me up!".

I'm sure there is a cooler definition of 'game', but at the end of the day, athletes retire.

 

[262]

If I remember correctly, the divorce rate with "mail order brides" in the US is twice as low as the average divorce rate.

Source? According to many forum members, guys that bring women from abroad, the relationships tend not to work out so well.

Another thing, remember many of these ''mail order brides'' come from Asian or Latino families, couples that already share a similar cultural background are always more likely to make things work out.

Here's a RoK article that has supporting sources:

http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

 

[BrewDog]

I think marriage is an anachronism personally. Why get married? If a girl loves you, she'll stay with you regardless of what happens. But that legally binding document issued by the government, a marriage license, won't stop her (or you) from cheating or leaving. So why bother with creating a situation where you have to give away half your stuff in a few years if you're wrong about some girl?

If you want to get married, make sure you're marrying your very best friend in the world and that you trust her implicitly. Otherwise, if you just want to get married for the sex, you're making a huge mistake. Save yourself a load of grief.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

I think marriage is an anachronism personally. Why get married? If a girl loves you, she'll stay with you regardless of what happens. But that legally binding document issued by the government, a marriage license, won't stop her (or you) from cheating or leaving. So why bother with creating a situation where you have to give away half your stuff in a few years if you're wrong about some girl?

If you want to get married, make sure you're marrying your very best friend in the world and that you trust her implicitly. Otherwise, if you just want to get married for the sex, you're making a huge mistake. Save yourself a load of grief.

Completely agree. The only exception I can see is if you can't make a location independent income, and this is the only way you can bring a mother material girl over to live with you. The visa restrictions for certain countries are such that the only way they can come over to live here permanently is through marriage. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk. So for guys who want a family, I think the most logical options I've seen are:

a) Local girl, LTR
b) Foreign girl permanently living locally, LTR
c) Foreign girl brought over by fiancee or marriage visa, Marriage
d) Move overseas, Foreign girl, LTR/Marriage

The statistical office of Switzerland has published some more detailed statistics: Note that to draw any conclusions, the divorce rate of mail-order marriages must be compared to the divorce rate of domestic marriages. In 1999, the divorce rate for domestic marriages (Swiss married to Swiss) in Switzerland were at a record high of 50%. In the same year (1999), marriages with foreigners are comparatively better:
...
Fantastically low divorce rates were reached at marriages with women from Colombia (20%). Marriages with women from the former USSR reached a rate of 15%; however, it must be noted that marriages between Swiss and Russians boom at the moment, and that the divorce rate is not that much meaningful, because the divorce rate rises with a time-lag.
...
Similarly, but not quite as bad, the divorce rate in marriages between Swiss and Philippine women reached 45%

What stuck out with me was how bad the divorce rate was with Filipinas. So a guy flies halfway around the world, uses up all his vacation, goes through months of frustrations of an LDR, spends all his money bringing her over, supporting her family, and dealing with immigration law only to get a 5% reduction in divorce risk? F that.

On the other hand, the 20% divorce rate for Colombian women isn't that bad. Not all foreign marriages are equal.

 

[Apollo21]

Here's another way to think about it.

Let's look at a marriage that is happy and successful(i.e. lifelong)
and another marriage that ends in divorce within 5 years.

What are the key differences? What is happening on a daily basis?

What are the daily conversations like? Exactly where do the wheels fall off
and what drives the marriage into the ground?

As a few people have already said, we know marriage is much more day to day
whereas with dating you really might only see a girl once a week for a couple
of hours.

A successful marriage requires you to have seasoned communication/diplomacy skills,
expert planning skills, patience and way more empathy than if you were just
dating a girl.

I think the reality is, living in a modern world, you simply have to become better
at the entire process from start to finish...i.e...

1. Finding high quality girls that actually demonstrate the right values/skills you're looking for.

2. Setting a communication standard and dealing with issues on the spot
before they become larger problems.

3. Planning where you will live and what kind of family support you will have in advance
before you get married...also what does she want to do? work/stay at home?

4. Dealing with attitude/behavior changes. If she's a good traditional girl then she
is unlikely to change. However that doesn't mean that you still don't need to maintain good order
and discipline as a couple/family. Take her out on Saturday nights, lead by example by staying fit
and exercising together, going to church, make life interesting for her.

5. Always have the next step planned. Back in the day, our grandparents struggled just to survive
Their only expectations were to basically have enough food to eat and pray that their children survived.
That's why they didn't divorce.

Today you have to give vision and demonstrate leadership. It's like flying a passenger plane up in the air. Not only
do you have to have an interesting destination planned but you also have deal with outside turbulence.
And if you're not a seasoned pilot then your plane might easily go down...and God help you if you have
a bad copilot who does not follow your lead.

 

[TravelerKai]

The impression I'm getting is that the answer is:

No, you cannot you bring a woman from a foreign country over to the west without it corrupting her.

Is that a fair take?

I married a Japanese woman over 20 years ago, then soon after that brought her back to the US. Because she chose to never really work on her language skills, she's never "corrupted" much. On the other hand, I speak Japanese fluently and was very familiar with the culture, so managed to avoid forcing her to develop a support group of Americans. All of this doesn't mean I'm categorically happy in my married life (after all, I'm here, aren't I?), but we haven't had to fight all of the western bullshit. (However there was one occurrence of walking in to my home, finding my mother counselling my (relatively) new wife on US divorce law and the need to lawyer up if "you guys don't work out." I just about chewed my mom a new asshole! Damn I was pissed!)

My aunts tried to do something very similar. They are single/widowed/divorced, multiple degrees, high careered, old, and feminist as hell from the 70's. I basically had a red pill stand Davy Crockett style swinging my musket around. Got heated but I stood my ground. Now none of them try that shit with me anymore. In alot of ways doing that was a boon for me. I have a much higher leadership status in the family on both sides. I am far from perfect, but with God's help I will attain the rank of spiritual authority/leader and hopefully set the stage for the future generation of my family on both sides. It's gotta start with someone. Wisdom is burdensome. Are any of you willing to take up that yoke?

These threads keep popping up lately, so I can tell its weighing down on you guys hard. Shit none of us are getting younger. You start getting different itches that you never had in your 20s. Everyone knows my story and background here, so all I can suggest is the following:

1. Game does not stop at marriage.

2. Traditional women from traditional societies reduce the amount of game needed exponentially.

3. If you go the foreign route, knowledge of their culture (immersion) is pretty much mandatory. Notice I did not say you need complete fluency in their language.

4. Submission is more important than any other intangible a woman can have.

5. Be able to communicate effectively with each other.

6. All women smell fear. Don't be a punk bitch afraid of other thirsty men around. If she does not think you are a bit crazy, she won't ever respect you anyway. A little fear never hurt anyone. (that does not mean hit her. See above on the stand your ground part)

7. Let her know early, you would toss her out or leave at the hint of insubordination. Usually them knowing that you know WHERE TO FIND a fresh supply of pussy, is a major deterrent, within itself.

8. Be patient with her learning a new environment and get someone you feel you can trust. Picking the hottest woman available is like drafting Jadaveon Clowney when you know you need a QB instead.

9. Get someone that is just as repulsed as you would be if showed them something like, oh I dunno... The Kardashians show. My wife wanted to throw up when she found it on TV accidentally. She texted me wanting to know why people in America act like this. I knew she was like me from jump street though. We would talk about world news and stuff like that. I knew her value system well. Her dad's too.

10. Pick the in-laws as intently as the woman herself. If they are fat shaming her in front of you, don't whiteknight and take her side in front of them. Let them whip that ass for you. They don't want her to fuck up a good thing!

I hope this helps.

 

[Onto]

It's always good to know what you'd be on the hook for if things don't work out. After reading something like this it really makes me think twice. The summary below is just about marital assets and maintenance, child support until 21 yrs old is extra and 17%, 25%, 28% of your AGI for children 1,2,3

NYS Divorce law summary

 

[Sooth]

Got heated but I stood my ground. Now none of them try that shit with me anymore. In alot of ways doing that was a boon for me. I have a much higher leadership status in the family on both sides. I am far from perfect, but with God's help I will attain the rank of spiritual authority/leader and hopefully set the stage for the future generation of my family on both sides. It's gotta start with someone. Wisdom is burdensome. Are any of you willing to take up that yoke?

 

[Georgepithyou]

I've thought about this, how can we prevent her from being corrupted by the west?

 

[Thriller]

I've thought about this, how can we prevent her from being corrupted by the west?

I heard an interesting theory/solution regarding this timeless problem ^. I can't remember exactly who said it... from memory it may have been Coach Red Pill, Owen Benjamin, Gavin McInnes or someone like that... I'll paraphrase:

If you take a more traditional woman from her country to the west, the best way to protect her from being corrupted by toxic western culture and being ruined by femmunism is to impregnate her as many times as possible. The higher the number of children that she has to care for and raise in the next 20+ years will make a higher probability that she will so busy and being a homemaker and mother that she won't have time to be getting indoctrinated at her corporate job, watching propaganda TV/social media, sipping strawberry daiquiris with her spinster girlfriends, or talking on the phone to her post-wall cat-lady friends.

Of course this theory assumes that the woman truly is traditional and conservative in the first place, and wants nothing more than to be a mother/wife to begin with.

Social circle and propaganda intake is a huge component of corrupting the mind. So if you can control those things to some extent, then it puts up a good fight.

 

[Laner]

I've thought about this, how can we prevent her from being corrupted by the west?

I heard an interesting theory/solution regarding this timeless problem ^. I can't remember exactly who said it... from memory it may have been Coach Red Pill, Owen Benjamin, Gavin McInnes or someone like that... I'll paraphrase:

If you take a more traditional woman from her country to the west, the best way to protect her from being corrupted by toxic western culture and being ruined by femmunism is to impregnate her as many times as possible. The higher the number of children that she has to care for and raise in the next 20+ years will make a higher probability that she will so busy and being a homemaker and mother that she won't have time to be getting indoctrinated at her corporate job, watching propaganda TV/social media, sipping strawberry daiquiris with her spinster girlfriends, or talking on the phone to her post-wall cat-lady friends.

Of course this theory assumes that the woman truly is traditional and conservative in the first place, and wants nothing more than to be a mother/wife to begin with.

Social circle and propaganda intake is a huge component of corrupting the mind. So if you can control those things to some extent, then it puts up a good fight.

I would also add something. You have to take her divorced friends out of her life. The caveat is for her friends who left truly horrible relationships - but even then its suspect.

You need to subtly guide her friendships with the good women around her. This is where it helps to have experience with women. You can see through a lot of their lies and manipulation and can steer your wife away from them.

She will want to spend time around women of her culture, so it helps to have a good understanding of how they are so you can be a part of the friendship facilitating.

 

[Atlanta Man]

If you bring a conservative woman from a conservative culture here to the west you have a year or two( if you are lucky) before western culture perverts and destroys her values. You cannot defeat social media and the overwhelming influence of degeneracy in the west while actually in the west- I have seen it happen personally with my own eyes. Remember Instagram is the devil, and Tinder is even worse.....by Design.

 

[SilentOne]

I agree with Atlanta. Being married in the West regardless where you picked her up from is a bad investment today. There's an agenda going on to get the masculine men out of the family homes and allow the female hive mind to go rampant. Both are destructive to society. You want to play that game, be prepared to get dragged around by the State and learn the hard way. That contract is between 3 parties. You, her, and the State.

Men need to wake up and realize that marriage is simply an outdated construct. Women today make equal money, bombarded with constant validation through social media likes, and don't even know how to cook a basic meal. They are losing the ability to pairbond.

This traditional lifestyle you saw in the past don't exist today thanks to feminism and social media.

 

[MyFabolousLife]

Men need to wake up and realize that marriage is simply an outdated construct. Women today make equal money, bombarded with constant validation through social media likes, and don't even know how to cook a basic meal. They are losing the ability to pairbond.

This traditional lifestyle you saw in the past don't exist today thanks to feminism and social media.

This.

Marriage used to work because men and women had strictly defined gender roles and no-fault divorce did not even come into play until starting around 1969 in California. As a consequence, men and women both needed each other, which kept their behavior in check and as a consequence were forced to make the relationship work (at least in theory).

Now days she can press the divorce eject button at any time, for any reason or no reason at all. Or she can stay in the relationship but do a complete 180 in personality and the princess you thought you married quickly turns into Medusa the Witch.

The problem is, it's almost impossible to gauge how a woman will act and change once she becomes married with kids.

 

[Papaya]

If you bring a conservative woman from a conservative culture here to the west you have a year or two( if you are lucky) before western culture perverts and destroys her values. You cannot defeat social media and the overwhelming influence of degeneracy in the west while actually in the west- I have seen it happen personally with my own eyes. Remember Instagram is the devil, and Tinder is even worse.....by Design.

If she's on IG she is exclusively entertainment vagina. If she's not on social media when you import her then you need to inoculate her against it before she ever gets on it via dread game, good D sessions, and buns in the oven.

"Idle hands are the devil's playthings". Benjamin Franklin

"An idle uterus is even more dangerous"...PapayaTapper

 

[Laner]

If you bring a conservative woman from a conservative culture here to the west you have a year or two( if you are lucky) before western culture perverts and destroys her values. You cannot defeat social media and the overwhelming influence of degeneracy in the west while actually in the west- I have seen it happen personally with my own eyes. Remember Instagram is the devil, and Tinder is even worse.....by Design.

If she's on IG she is exclusively entertainment vagina. If she's not on social media when you import her then you need to inoculate her against it before she ever gets on it via dread game, good D sessions, and buns in the oven.

"Idle hands are the devil's playthings". Benjamin Franklin

"An idle uterus is even more dangerous"...PapayaTapper

Ha! That is one for the wall at work.

I never let my wife fuck around with instagram much. No selfies, no photos of us, none of our lives on ig stories. She doesn't seem to care much, except when it comes to kid pictures.

I - and she agrees too - have a very strict "No Kid Photos on Social Media" policy. But being a mother, she is so in love with her offspring that she gushes out some of it in the form of photos, and I can see it visibly tear at her morals by not putting it on line for other moms to get jealous about - and by extension, cause them to post more kid photos.

Idle hands, no matter how little, has something to do with it. Idle womb, yes for sure. The rest is just seeing her friends get likes for cute or funny shit their kids do. It begs the question, Does one even have a kid if the internet doesn't record it?

 

[Graft]

My "Plan B", in list form:

1. Find a girl abroad, 18-23. Hopefully she has some sort of transferrable career (IT, medicine.)
2. Date for 6-12 months abroad, bring her over. Date for another two years in the US before any marriage plans
3. Bring her parents over, move them in to watch the house and children (and their daughter).
4. Knock her up 3-5 times
5. Figure out a way to hide 75% of my assets in case of a divorce.

The parents are key in this process, because they keep tabs on her behavior and can give lifelong babysitters for us. I want my wife to work and bring in 80-150k a year.