Marrying conservative women from abroad and bringing them over to the west

abt

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thoughtgypsy said:
WestIndianArchie said:
Onto said:
By all means though, give your wife the freedom of western culture. A career, her own friends (guys included), happy hours with her co-workers, girls night out, and all the rest. See how it goes. And what's the harm in a TV show anyway? Or a movie? It's just a story. Doesn't mean anything. It won't raise questions in her or give answers, right?
So the answer is light imprisonment?

You find your Svetlana in Odessa, bring her back her at the ripe age of 20.
Knock her up, and have her live in your house out in the burbs.

Far from friends and family, in a new culture, trapped in some suburb with children, while you're out working (and presumably getting some on the side)

That's game?

Hell no, it isn't.

WIA
Yea, keep her in a cage in the basement. Every once in a while, presumably you let her out to cook and clean. That's exactly what's being advocated. Come on, no need to gaslight here.

Ironically, my uncle did something pretty close to what you're satirically describing. I already spoke about this in the thread I linked to:

My uncle, in his 50s at the time, brought over a Ukranian woman at maybe 20 years old who barely spoke any English. She seemed shy, but was a great cook and cleaned. My female relatives were up in arms, treating her and my uncle with contempt. Not because she was a bad woman, but looking back on it, because they didn't want any of their men to start getting the same idea.

Fast forward to today, he's in his late 60s and she's just turning 30. They just had a kid together. They look happy. How is this possible? I would venture a few guesses. My uncle is an attorney specializing in family and immigration law. That's a kind of soft power, where my aunt knows that whatever she'd try to pull, he'd be 3 steps ahead of her. The other thing is, she works for him as an assistant in his firm. It's just them. He's the boss, and because they spend all day together, he doesn't have to worry about her getting close with coworkers.

He's much older, but also has kept up pretty well for his age, and he's a charmer. They live out in the suburbs so her options aren't as wide. It could all change tomorrow, but she seems to have kept most of her old world values, and I think there's a decent chance it'll work out.
Thing is, she seems happier than most western women her age that I've met. She does have friends- my uncle's friends and family, some of which get along better now with her than they do my uncle. She does work- for my uncle, but now she's devoted to being a mother, and seems ecstatic about it. She does have entertainment- She seems introverted by nature, and happy enough to read Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

But I guess she'd be better off out getting shitfaced and riding the carousel, eventually coming home to her family of cats when the music stops? Because that would probably be her endgame if my uncle was a pushover and indulged every one of her whims.
I think this was possible a long time ago.

But with IG, it's just a matter of time before a richer or younger guy comes along and swoops her away. Speaking from personal experience.
 
Even women in rural areas have access to internet and smartphones, what's stopping an attractive women from getting the attention of many thirsty guys on instagram?

What can you do? Take away her internet and phone? Treat her like a prisoner?

Like most here I want a healthy relationship with a good woman, It isn't much to ask but social media and feminism have taken that away.
 
Georgepithyou said:
Even women in rural areas have access to internet and smartphones, what's stopping an attractive women from getting the attention of many thirsty guys on instagram?

What can you do? Take away her internet and phone? Treat her like a prisoner?

Like most here I want a healthy relationship with a good woman, It isn't much to ask but social media and feminism have taken that away.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's one thing to have internet, it's another to be surrounded by bad influences (people).
 

CleanSlate

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Graft said:
My "Plan B", in list form:

1. Find a girl abroad, 18-23. Hopefully she has some sort of transferrable career (IT, medicine.)
2. Date for 6-12 months abroad, bring her over. Date for another two years in the US before any marriage plans
3. Bring her parents over, move them in to watch the house and children (and their daughter).
4. Knock her up 3-5 times
5. Figure out a way to hide 75% of my assets in case of a divorce.

The parents are key in this process, because they keep tabs on her behavior and can give lifelong babysitters for us. I want my wife to work and bring in 80-150k a year.
That sounds incredibly complicated. Why not simplify the whole process and live in her country, raise the kids, and stay near her parents where they live?
 
Georgepithyou said:
Even women in rural areas have access to internet and smartphones, what's stopping an attractive women from getting the attention of many thirsty guys on instagram?

What can you do? Take away her internet and phone? Treat her like a prisoner?

Like most here I want a healthy relationship with a good woman, It isn't much to ask but social media and feminism have taken that away.
Yes they have access but they dont use it like western woman do if the girl is truly conservative which op is after. I am in morocco now and have met and spoken to a few traditional conservative girls.
I am speaking to cute girls who do not even have instagram accounts.... cute 20 year olds with no instagram accounts...

And i am also speaking to other cute girls who have instagram accounts but zero face pictures of them on it.

But instead a bunch of quotes . and some of them say stuff like

"If you are truly love a girl you will wait. Then you know its true love.


They think that if a man loves a woman . truly loves a woman, he will wait a year or 2 with no sex to prove his love to her that he is willing to wait lol. they have this mindset some of them... but this is like 20% of the population. other 80% is westernized.

if you go for this 20% of the population you can find yourself a good conservative girl with values.



There seems to be a mix of woman here though not all of them are like this. only 20%.


These are real traditional good woman.


but the problem with wife hunting abroad is most girls dont want to go to america or europe. there seems to be a stereotype where woman want the greencard or want to go to america... They dont. they are family oriented most of them.... Its mostly the men who want to go to america or europe for the job opportunties. a lot of guys i meet want to go there. but woman? all the woman i met want to stay with their family in their home country ... so bringing them to america may have problems in the long run... it will change them when they miss their family and need to adapt to a diff culture with no friends etc.
 
The problem isn't necessarily that the foreign wife gets "corrupted." It's that the SMV equation changes. Guys tend to go abroad and find a hotter and younger wife than they could get in the U.S. To the woman at that time, it seems like a good deal, as his SMV is bolstered by his passport, his resources, his exotic factor, or whatever. Her SMV in her home country may be middle-of-the-road, since lots of her compatriots are hot and there's not much obesity.

When she arrives in the U.S., his artificial boost disappears. Her SMV, meanwhile, shoots through the roof. Attractive, slim feminine foreign women get attention. She automatically starts looking around to see what her options are. The West being what it is, her options are many.

I don't care how "alpha" you are or how good your frame is; that tendency to scan her new environment for other options is her nature. The "corruption" you fear is baked in.
 

eradicator

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WombRaider said:
The problem isn't necessarily that the foreign wife gets "corrupted." It's that the SMV equation changes. Guys tend to go abroad and find a hotter and younger wife than they could get in the U.S. To the woman at that time, it seems like a good deal, as his SMV is bolstered by his passport, his resources, his exotic factor, or whatever. Her SMV in her home country may be middle-of-the-road, since lots of her compatriots are hot and there's not much obesity.

When she arrives in the U.S., his artificial boost disappears. Her SMV, meanwhile, shoots through the roof. Attractive, slim feminine foreign women get attention. She automatically starts looking around to see what her options are. The West being what it is, her options are many.

I don't care how "alpha" you are or how good your frame is; that tendency to scan her new environment for other options is her nature. The "corruption" you fear is baked in.
Get her pregnant, and keep her pregnant
 
eradicator said:
Get her pregnant, and keep her pregnant
Not a solution at all. Women with kids cheat all the time. Go look at the /survivinginfidelity section on Reddit. Sometimes they're doing their affair partner in one room while their kids play in another. Frequently they unload the husband, then shack up with the affair partner, kids in tow.
 
Wish I could create a time machine, travel back to the pre-pill era and live happily ever after in the hills from the sound of music with a traditional, honest, loyal wife. Fuck this gay earth.
 

Eban

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WombRaider said:
The problem isn't necessarily that the foreign wife gets "corrupted." It's that the SMV equation changes. Guys tend to go abroad and find a hotter and younger wife than they could get in the U.S. To the woman at that time, it seems like a good deal, as his SMV is bolstered by his passport, his resources, his exotic factor, or whatever. Her SMV in her home country may be middle-of-the-road, since lots of her compatriots are hot and there's not much obesity.

When she arrives in the U.S., his artificial boost disappears. Her SMV, meanwhile, shoots through the roof. Attractive, slim feminine foreign women get attention. She automatically starts looking around to see what her options are. The West being what it is, her options are many.

I don't care how "alpha" you are or how good your frame is; that tendency to scan her new environment for other options is her nature. The "corruption" you fear is baked in.
^Very accurate

The same thing happens with immigrant couples who move to the west. The dynamic changes and the wife/GF has new and better options than in the home country (if they are from 2nd or 3rd world). I have witnessed this play out in real life. Female's looks are her main SMV and the west is for women like Thailand is for western men.
 
Is it even possible to marry a "conservative' woman as a foreigner?
Do you think conservative woman would go for some foreigner who doesn't speak her language and is not part of her culture?

What many Westerners fail to realize when they get one a foreign women is that they are getting low hanging fruit, loosest, sluttiest ones and LEAST conservative type.
Every time you see black or anglo guy with EE girl you know whats going on there, he might be happy with the catch and think "she is good conservative girl', in most cases local guys would laugh behind his back if he is to marry such a girl.
If you bring her back to the West she will get bored with typical suburban life and start scewing around with other high SMV guys, after all you did not get a traditional girl, try to psychoanalyze a woman who is ready to leave her family, friends and tribe for some random dude, what makes you think she wont leave you for some Chad on Insta when relationship gets dull?
 
The best is to bring a girl to a much poorer and conservative place that where she grew up.
Albania is in many ways more "backwards" than Ukraine (my wife s home nation) when it comes to wedding , divorce , drinking etc

I know one woman here who divorced and raised a kid by herself. She is a persona non-grata in her family and in her village. Everyone calls her a whore.

She was beaten up , so I have compassion for her. For me , beating up and alcoholism , drug abuse , or other type of sexual abuse , are a reason to divorce. All the rest is just literature.

We should start to look bad at women who divorce for no reason and tell them the ugly truth in their face : Yes , if you divorce for no real reason , you are a bitch.

Bringing a woman in the West is suicidal. I have millions of examples in the west and in normal (central european) countries of women divorcing for virtually zero reasons. Why do we even accept this ?
They would never dare to do it if we were tougher.

All this degenerate feminism is weakening our entire civilisation
 

Zenta

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Vladimir Poontang said:
I'm surprised that no one has talked about finding a girl in a non western country, and then going to live in another non western country.
Thats my ultimate end goal, though it can be tricky as far as visa requirements go. You are limited to wherever she is able to travel to, unless its one of these rare cases like a thread I saw on r/vietnam earlier this month where a white guy posted how much he missed vietnam and wanted to move back there with his wife and daughter, and at this point they were just waiting to get his wifes citizenship so she can get a US passport.

Of course many people also said are you crazy? Go back to Vn from the US? Youre out of your mind!

But the wife has family there that loves them very much and the husband actually enjoyed living there, so why not? This is a good way to do it if you are with someone that is actually willing and wanting to leave the US after finally getting their passport, which I think would fall into the exception of the rule category. Also It may be hard for someone to experience 1st world US living standards for x amount of years and then give it all up just because their husband decided he wants to go back to whatever 2/3rd world country she is originally from. If she disagrees at that point she just leaves him.
Well sometimes you have to roll the dice.


I think ultimately like you said though if you meet someone from a non-western country and have another ideal non-western country in mind you'd like to settle in, is the way to go. That requires doing your homework and finding a destination to start and a destination to end in, and someone willing to go with the plan. Hard work for most people these days.
 
I am a westerner living in a deep EE country (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus). I think it helps to find a relatively more traditional/conservative girl (for example, such girls do exist in Moscow/St. Petersburg, which demonstrates their resistance to the corrupting influences of those big cities; conservative farm girls haven't demonstrated any such resistance, since they've never lived in a big city with corrupting values, so they can be a worse choice). Otherwise I think you can return to your country with her, knock her up, and live in a cheaper and not particulary trendy area (plenty of those in the US). I think if you play your cards right your chances are better than with white girls from the west.
 

Lian

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Cultural Refugee said:
conservative farm girls haven't demonstrated any such resistance, since they've never lived in a big city with corrupting values, so they can be a worse choice).
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I think if you play your cards right your chances are better than with white girls from the west.
These are such excellent points in my experience. I posted a bit about this in the "Are American girls really that bad?" thread, how yes they're bad but it's a big country with a wide range. I think it really is a fallacy to think you take a wonderful sweet feminine girl ESPECIALLY abroad with different culture language etc and remove her from the environment that shaped her into that, when most of our homegrown sluts likely would have been as sweet and feminine with the same upbringing, and expect her to remain that way.

Now that I think about it, you probably have a roughly equal chance of long term success taking a culturally compatible Western girl from the city who is "somewhat" of a slut just to ballpark say "several" partners and moving her to the traditional conservative countryside. Only difference is you have to deal with the realization she's an ex slut and that would be too much for me, I'm speaking purely from a technical point of view.

Personally I'd like to get out of the cities anyway one day, so I just might end up moving there finding one there and avoid having to address the problem head on.
 
Lian, there are a few things that makes deep EE better than western cities in my opinion (for your plan):

1. Much lower average age of marriage. Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage and also realize that the more interesting and intelligent a girl is, the later she marries and the more anti-family her value system is. Imagine 80% of deep EE feminists marrying (at 27 on average) vs. 50% of western city feminists marrying (at 33 on average). Even first generation immigrants from conservative families in the US/Western Europe marry later than deep EE city average. For me it's a deal breaker to marry an older girl, so your plan wouldn't work.

2. Competition is much lower in deep EE. As a westerner you can make more money than anyone, hot women are plentiful, and last but not least https://www.rooshv.com/the-busted-dudes-test.
 
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