Martial arts/Brazilian jiu jitsu for guys with no anger issues?
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Kvothe said:
You can train them blind. It'll be a handicap, but all sorts of people train martial arts who are worse off than just bad vision.
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@Yeti - Aikido wouldn't be good for muscle mass/conditioning. Boxing, BJJ or MMA/sport training would be better as they have a better conditioning and practical training emphasis.
@Neo - I agree, a traditional martial art is not the best pure choice for self defence. I don't think sport training is either as it conditions you to limit your strikes to the rules of competition and often doesn't include weapons.
@Rio - I don't have any Aikido video but my brother moved into it after our Japanese JJ school closed. He doesn't use it in sparring, he'll use JJ and Silat. He uses the Aikido more like 'party tricks' as the throws really over the top. He said its more like "fast tai chi" and likes it more for the meditation, philosophy and weapons training. That may be what you are missing Rio, its a TMA with a big capital T and small MA.
It will work fine against someone who is not trained but I don't think Aikido is a good choice for competitive martial arts or other trained fighters. It is a good approach to fighting for people that aren't aggressive though and tend to 'live in their heads'...hence the recommendation to the OP
@Yeti - Aikido wouldn't be good for muscle mass/conditioning. Boxing, BJJ or MMA/sport training would be better as they have a better conditioning and practical training emphasis.
@Neo - I agree, a traditional martial art is not the best pure choice for self defence. I don't think sport training is either as it conditions you to limit your strikes to the rules of competition and often doesn't include weapons.
@Rio - I don't have any Aikido video but my brother moved into it after our Japanese JJ school closed. He doesn't use it in sparring, he'll use JJ and Silat. He uses the Aikido more like 'party tricks' as the throws really over the top. He said its more like "fast tai chi" and likes it more for the meditation, philosophy and weapons training. That may be what you are missing Rio, its a TMA with a big capital T and small MA.
It will work fine against someone who is not trained but I don't think Aikido is a good choice for competitive martial arts or other trained fighters. It is a good approach to fighting for people that aren't aggressive though and tend to 'live in their heads'...hence the recommendation to the OP
Vaun said:
No, not wrong. It does take some practice. What it teaches you is basics. Punches, kicks, grappling so on. But they also teach you how to take a punch, how to take and bear pain in a submission, how to stay calm when fear sets in.
Then they teach you advanced stuff like how to fight multiple attackers, how to disarm weapons, how to fight handcuffed. There is a lot of breathing and meditation involved as well. You will not learn going to a couple classes.
It wouldn't be the internet if there wasn't a TMA vs BJJ debate.
The number one reason why BJJ is great and more beneficial than others is because you can go 100% intensity sparring in the gym with your partners. This breeds real effectiveness. Other "Arts" you never go 100% sparring because that'd be ridiculous. But because of that, you rarely if ever get to fully implement what you've learned, thereby making it all kinda "Faked"
The number one reason why BJJ is great and more beneficial than others is because you can go 100% intensity sparring in the gym with your partners. This breeds real effectiveness. Other "Arts" you never go 100% sparring because that'd be ridiculous. But because of that, you rarely if ever get to fully implement what you've learned, thereby making it all kinda "Faked"
On the subject of anger issues - I'd say there are far fewer dudes with anger issues at a BJJ gym than in real life. Fighting, rolling, sparring, whatever is about being relaxed and focused - not about spazzing out.
One of the biggest things I was worried about when I first started with all this stuff ten years ago was that the guys at the gym would be all bad ass tough guys with attitude. The truth couldn't have been more opposite.
One of the biggest things I was worried about when I first started with all this stuff ten years ago was that the guys at the gym would be all bad ass tough guys with attitude. The truth couldn't have been more opposite.
Yeti: I have practiced BJJ for over 10 years and instruct a class at the local university. You mentioned that one of your primary motivations for training is to gain muscle mass. Unfortunately, in itself, BJJ will not give you the muscle mass that you are looking for. Especially if you are training at a "sport jj" place that doesn't emphasize starting from your feet. While sparing, your back and legs are almost completely neglected. As far as the rest of the body, think low rep/high volume weight training. You will lose fat and get stronger but you won't really put on size.
As time goes by I am becoming less and less disillusioned by the mystique of BJJ. It just has too many weaknesses the way it is practiced today, as Rionomad alluded to earlier. That being said, I would never advise you to not train jiu jitsu, but I would couple it with weightlifting or wrestling/boxing/kickboxing which most BJJ gyms offer anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I'll probably train for the rest of my life. The camaraderie that I've experienced with BJJ is unlike anything I've experienced in other martial arts or sports in general. Everywhere I go in the world I have an instant social circle because of BJJ and have gotten some bangs too
And about the aggressiveness issue. If you freak out while sparing at a gym someone is going to put you in your place real fast. Serious aggression is best left for competition or against a well-known opponent.
As time goes by I am becoming less and less disillusioned by the mystique of BJJ. It just has too many weaknesses the way it is practiced today, as Rionomad alluded to earlier. That being said, I would never advise you to not train jiu jitsu, but I would couple it with weightlifting or wrestling/boxing/kickboxing which most BJJ gyms offer anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I'll probably train for the rest of my life. The camaraderie that I've experienced with BJJ is unlike anything I've experienced in other martial arts or sports in general. Everywhere I go in the world I have an instant social circle because of BJJ and have gotten some bangs too
And about the aggressiveness issue. If you freak out while sparing at a gym someone is going to put you in your place real fast. Serious aggression is best left for competition or against a well-known opponent.
bounce said:As time goes by I am becoming less and less disillusioned by the mystique of BJJ. It just has too many weaknesses the way it is practiced today, as Rionomad alluded to earlier. That being said, I would never advise you to not train jiu jitsu, but I would couple it with weightlifting or wrestling/boxing/kickboxing which most BJJ gyms offer anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I'll probably train for the rest of my life. The camaraderie that I've experienced with BJJ is unlike anything I've experienced in other martial arts or sports in general. Everywhere I go in the world I have an instant social circle because of BJJ and have gotten some bangs too
Within an hour or so walking of my place there are at least two BJJ schools: one, a Gracie school (run by one of the Gracies),
And the other a Mickey Mouse school that's much closer to my place (easily walkable) but catered kind of toward kids and families, at least that's the vibe that they give off. I requested a trial lesson and the instructor has been wishy washy.
Gatekeeper
Pigeon
I've done a decade of Judo and BJJ concurrently, 5 years Muay Thai and traditional boxing, but ironically started out in traditional Aikido. Ironically I've found the aggressive jerks to be in the Aikdo clubs as they are generally insecure guys/ladies that don't practice their technique in a realistic manner, thus they walk around with their chest puffed out waiting for street urchins to ahem..."grab their wrist" and trip over their magic pants.
Judo, BJJ, Boxing, MT all have deep levels of respect and in the hundreds of sets of sparring, well almost thousands, I can't recall someone going full rage on me that had some rank or time into the system. People that come off the street with something to prove quickly get dispatched as their ego cannot hang with getting arm barred by a female 100lb purple belt.
I cannot stress enough how martial arts/sports can be life changing and extremely beneficial for one's health, mental strength, and physical conditioning.
Also there is nothing like the feeling of waking up the next morning being sore, stiff, and tired from a hard set the night before.
Judo, BJJ, Boxing, MT all have deep levels of respect and in the hundreds of sets of sparring, well almost thousands, I can't recall someone going full rage on me that had some rank or time into the system. People that come off the street with something to prove quickly get dispatched as their ego cannot hang with getting arm barred by a female 100lb purple belt.
I cannot stress enough how martial arts/sports can be life changing and extremely beneficial for one's health, mental strength, and physical conditioning.
Also there is nothing like the feeling of waking up the next morning being sore, stiff, and tired from a hard set the night before.
I think anyone practicing a martial art who is interested in "practical application" should be very careful about what they do in a real world situation, especially since a lot of RVF members like to travel to 3rd world shitholes where life is cheap.
My personal opinion is that 99.9% of fights/assaults are avoidable. As for bar or club or sports match related fights, that's just retarded. Fighting in a controlled setting against a trained opponent is probably fun though, and is on my list of things to do.
In terms of being robbed in the 3rd world, it is very very rare that someone would try to stab or shoot you if you comply.
They might slap you around a bit, but that's it. Chances are, they are high on crack or meth, and jittery, so don't look away but don't look them in the eye either. So what if you lose a camera or a few bucks? Carry a decoy wallet with expired IDs and a small amount of money, etc.
Really the only thing that would cause me to resist would be if I was traveling with a female and they were going to rape her...I would put my life on the line for that. In fact that's one of the reasons I never traveled with a girlfriend in central and south america.
I broke my own rules once when I was being robbed, and fought back, and it almost cost me my life.
In general, when you bring force into the equation, anything could happen. You could be the toughest, most badass MMA master on the planet, and be kicking the shit out of a couple of Peruvian street kids who tried to rob you, but that won't do you any good when a 3rd one you never saw comes up from behind and stabs you in the back to rescue his friends. And then you die a slow agonizing death over a twenty dollar hat and some pocket change. This happened to the hundred kilo, body builder and judo instructor who was the uncle of a Peruvian friend.
My personal opinion is that 99.9% of fights/assaults are avoidable. As for bar or club or sports match related fights, that's just retarded. Fighting in a controlled setting against a trained opponent is probably fun though, and is on my list of things to do.
In terms of being robbed in the 3rd world, it is very very rare that someone would try to stab or shoot you if you comply.
They might slap you around a bit, but that's it. Chances are, they are high on crack or meth, and jittery, so don't look away but don't look them in the eye either. So what if you lose a camera or a few bucks? Carry a decoy wallet with expired IDs and a small amount of money, etc.
Really the only thing that would cause me to resist would be if I was traveling with a female and they were going to rape her...I would put my life on the line for that. In fact that's one of the reasons I never traveled with a girlfriend in central and south america.
I broke my own rules once when I was being robbed, and fought back, and it almost cost me my life.
In general, when you bring force into the equation, anything could happen. You could be the toughest, most badass MMA master on the planet, and be kicking the shit out of a couple of Peruvian street kids who tried to rob you, but that won't do you any good when a 3rd one you never saw comes up from behind and stabs you in the back to rescue his friends. And then you die a slow agonizing death over a twenty dollar hat and some pocket change. This happened to the hundred kilo, body builder and judo instructor who was the uncle of a Peruvian friend.
Checkmat
Pelican
The Psychology of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201412/the-psychology-brazilian-jiu-jitsu
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201412/the-psychology-brazilian-jiu-jitsu
Dark Knowledge
Robin
I don't have anger issues. I've been doing gi and no gi jiujitsu for 4 years now.
The guys who walk through the door with a chip on their shoulder never last beyond blue belt. All the higher belts I know are all gentlemen. If you're intimidated by guys who are aggressive and strong, BJJ would be a great step in breaking that fear. Since JJ is highly practical and a lot of the training involves sparring, you'll come across and find ways to deal with all sorts of characters.
You don't need to be Alexander Karelin to survive on the mats. If you're lightweight and "non-aggressive" you can develop a good guard game to nullify the heavy strong players.
My advice to you is to just stop thinking about it and walk into a gym and sign up. It will do great things for your confidence
The guys who walk through the door with a chip on their shoulder never last beyond blue belt. All the higher belts I know are all gentlemen. If you're intimidated by guys who are aggressive and strong, BJJ would be a great step in breaking that fear. Since JJ is highly practical and a lot of the training involves sparring, you'll come across and find ways to deal with all sorts of characters.
You don't need to be Alexander Karelin to survive on the mats. If you're lightweight and "non-aggressive" you can develop a good guard game to nullify the heavy strong players.
My advice to you is to just stop thinking about it and walk into a gym and sign up. It will do great things for your confidence
I'm just going to throw this out to the OP and he'll see if it applies to him.
I don't think it's a lack of anger issues, the issue at hand is fundamentally different, it's a lack of competitiveness.
People tend to avoid competition when they fear that if they took it very seriously they'd still fuck up and fail. So that competitive vibe gets bottled up and and a "relaxed attitude" or "lack of anger issues" is cited every time performance is particularly shitty.
The only solution here is try hard and win, winning is the important part, get back on that rollercoaster and start fucking shit up.
I don't think it's a lack of anger issues, the issue at hand is fundamentally different, it's a lack of competitiveness.
People tend to avoid competition when they fear that if they took it very seriously they'd still fuck up and fail. So that competitive vibe gets bottled up and and a "relaxed attitude" or "lack of anger issues" is cited every time performance is particularly shitty.
The only solution here is try hard and win, winning is the important part, get back on that rollercoaster and start fucking shit up.
cascadecombo
Ostrich
Yeti said:
The pro guys I spar with display no signs of anger issues at all. You develop a switch, I also do not have anger issues but when it's time to spar you flip that switch. When you realize that you aren't trying to kill the guy, but do want to win you start to learn to utilize and create that key aggression.