Martial arts/Brazilian jiu jitsu for guys with no anger issues?

Checkmat said:
Non-aggressive, cerebral/intelligent guys do GREAT in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I think you'd fit right in from what I can tell.



This is dead on. Joe Rogan talks about that all the time, how important intelligence is for grappling because (paraphrasing) you need to be able to think critically under intense pressure and while tired.
 

Rush87

Hummingbird
Catholic
Yeti said:
I'm looking for guidance both from guys who have anger issues and guys who don't have anger issues, who practice martial arts and specifically Brazilian jiu jitsu.

It seems like guys with anger issues tend to do well with martial arts/Brazilian jiu jitsu to help them resolve their stress. If they don't keep up with their trainings, the darkness starts to take control again and they get irritable and angry.

My question is, what about guys who don't have any anger issues? I am a pretty laid back guy and am probably going to start training BJJ soon. But I'm concerned that I am not aggressive enough - that I'm going into the wrong arena, that I should pick up weight lifting instead to up my testosterone.

Can anyone provide guidance?

From my personal experience anger is a weakness. It's an emotion that overrides logic. The best BJJ athletes in the game work with their mind. The most elite in the game just so happen to have the athletic prowess to couple their cool heads under pressure.

The ability to stay calm is paramount. Anger and aggression are second to this. I've been a life long martial artist and this is the recurring theme that I've had the luxury of hearing from my low level trainers, right through to guys such as Anderson Silva and Antonio Nogueira who have provided seminars at some of the gyms with which I have trained.

Your own competitive nature will provide aggression through a will to win. Getting angry will only serve to cloud your focus.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I've posted quite a few times on TravelerKai's martial arts datasheet, but I don't really want to hijack that thread. This thread seems more appropriate.

BJJ changed my life. I'm not sure how else to say it. I'm 14 months in and addicted. For the first 6 months it was discipline. I didn't really like doing jits, mostly because I knew it was good for me and I was hopefully getting better.

From 6-9 months I'd say I started feeling the hook but it was still summer and I had a lot of distractions.

I had my first tournament 10 months in (last October), and leading up to it I really focused. I took a private lesson with our owner/blackbelt and we worked on side control and over-the-shoulder to taking the back. I drilled it over and over, finding and fixing my errors. I'd say the training for the tournament is what really lit the fire, because I finally had a sequence that I could use and dominate a few guys with.

Of course as a white belt, confidence in a move or sequence is quickly doused with reality and humbled.

Then x-guard. My dumb joke is, I used to say jujitsu changed my life...now I say x-guard changed my life. Really half x and x guard. We drilled it a bit, then had someone come in and do a seminar, and it was made for me. I've pulled it on so many guys who were on top and had me in half guard or mount. I'm sure I'm relying on it too much, but I'm perfecting it and it's really helping my bottom game.

I know my weakness. My weakness is leadership. I mean that as a personality trait of course, but also reflected in my jits. My coach the other day said I'm still a bit too tense. I told him "you mean on top, because on bottom I feel comfortable. I'm always confident in my moves that I'll get out of a bad spot, even if I won't". Yep. When I'm on top, he can tell because if I'm not in motion, there's a slight tense shake. There's a certain level of action, aggression, leadership that I don't have. That I'm not comfortable with. I'm more of a reactor, always have been.

This is why I started combat sports (I'm sure it doesn't only apply to jujitsu). Besides actually learning and working at something productive, I wanted to carry myself with more confidence. Of course what I didn't understand was that will be a humbling process. Develop confidence? No, discover your insecurities. Discover them in an area of life where you can't avoid them. You can't avoid working through them.

So besides perfecting x guard, my next goal is to become more comfortable in the aggressive position. I plan on grabbing my coach during open gym and going over some things.

To the point of the thread, anger and aggression aren't too different, and both are reflected in leadership and action. Jujitsu, or any combat sport probably, is a great way to discover the importance of these motivating factors.

Edit: One little story. We had this short but really stocky (PEDs?) aggressive black dude in the other day. I rolled with him, and he was tough, a real fighter. More of a fighter than a jujitsu guy...his jits sucked. But it was cool because he was digging his fists in, palming the face, doing little slaps. Nothing harmful or anything, and I told him keep it up. Keep us honest to fighting. He was really trying to piss me off, and for most of the roll he was giving me trouble. No worries, I just slowly, inch by inch moved into my position, then bam, grabbed x guard and swept him so hard. His aggression made him fall hard but scramble to get up. Nope, I wasn't having that. I went right at him and kept him down. It was a good exercise in "this is why I do jits".
 

Checkmat

Pelican
Bjj brown belt, almost a decade of training here. For whatever reason, after BJJ I’ve had very few issues at bars/clubs/etc with guys posturing to me. Even being out with beautiful women, and I’m not a big guy. But I have the cauliflower ear and the shaved head. I don’t puff my chest and try to be tough with anyone. It’s just a low key, unconcious confidence.

Nobody should not know how to fight on the ground.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The best feeling in the world...panting, feeling exhausted, ready to step off the mat and go home...then I meet eyes with one of my gym friends, a purple belt who you know can kick my ass, and I think, "one more".

Those are always the best rolls for me. The "one more roll". I think the only way to understand the feeling is being fully exhausted but your mind telling you "fuck you dude I'm going 100% anyway".

Maybe it's because I didn't grow up a fighter, so when I get that drive, I love it.
 
Checkmat said:
The Psychology of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201412/the-psychology-brazilian-jiu-jitsu

As a clinical psychologist, and a long-time student of BJJ, it is the psychology of this sport which I find most intriguing. Why is BJJ so powerful and captivating for so many people? Why has BJJ become so popular, with so much dedication from its students, who so often describe the experience as uniquely addictive? BJJ offers many unique experiences which trigger rich, subtle and fulfilling psychological changes in its students, changes which promote positive transformation, and keep people coming back to the mats.



This video was the fastest two hours or whatever I have ever spent on YouTube.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I strained my groin this weekend doing BJJ.

It's not debilitating at all, but it definitely is a little sore. Even hurt when I coughed yesterday.

Should I take a week off? Or should just not play much guard (positions that would bother it)? Or should I just try to go easy?
 
heavy said:
I strained my groin this weekend doing BJJ.

It's not debilitating at all, but it definitely is a little sore. Even hurt when I coughed yesterday.

Should I take a week off? Or should just not play much guard (positions that would bother it)? Or should I just try to go easy?

I've strained my groin twice, and both times it was because it only hurt a little and I still thought I could train. Wrong. Do not train until there is absolutely NO pain in your inner thigh and you can do a butterfly stretch with zero discomfort. Your groin muscles are extremely delicate and once injured, it is extremely easy to make the initial injury worse or reinjure yourself by trying to exert the muscle again too soon. No squats, no running, definitely no closed guard. I wouldn't spar at all. Although you can do some light drills if you feel comfortable and there is no pain.

Just for the record, both times I strained/tore my groin it took at least three months to heal 100%. The first time I reinjured and it took more than six. It sucks. I'd say it's one of the most frustrating injuries there is. If the tear/strain isn't too bad, maybe two weeks to a month is all you will need. But you have to take it seriously or you're just adding time on until you can get back on the horse.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Reporting again here...

Two months ago I hurt my lower back. I don't have a great back (dad had surgery at 48, brothers and sister all have low back issues), but in this case, I was rolling no-gi and I held on guard for too long (we were drilling) and I got hyper-flexed. A couple weeks later I noticed a slight pain in my left heel which freaked me out.

So for 2 months I took some physical therapy, then continued doing the roll-outs and stretches they taught me. It helped not doing BJJ because I was able to focus on my back.

Anyway, after 2 months I went back in the gym last Friday. Felt great. Not only was I an addict coming back for a delicious fix of fighting, but I quickly realized if I simply don't get stacked (holding on to guard or triangle or whatever) I greatly reduce my chance of back injury or soreness. Add on the fact that I know now how to release those tight muscles with PT, and I feel awesome.

Weird thing though. My top game is noticeably better than when I left. Leading up to my injury, I was going to the gym a lot consistently for months. It's like the 2 months allowed my brain to consolidate all that information from all the drilling, training, and time on the mat.

I'm addicted again. I've rolled the last 4 days, might go in today. After 2 months, it is surprising how much of a full-body workout it is.
 

cascadecombo

Ostrich
One of the things about Gi vs No-Gi is that no-gi is a bit better on your back as people can't just grab the gi and pull you into them while you fight against them with your lower back.

I've always been a strong advocate for taking the occasional week or two off to let everything settle. Often times I find constant training can lead to lazyness or lack of effort while training. When you get back in after a break things become clearer and more often than not, just as you experienced you come back stronger.
 
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