Mass Formation Psychosis

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
A thread to discuss and critique the viral theory that "Mass Formation Psychosis"

I am in agreement generally with the theory that people are a herd and move together in a herd like fashion. Christianity supports this in speaking of times or people who have 'gone bad'. At the same time individual free will is a Christian concept which Western society has taken to an extreme and placed out of context.

Myself, I couldn't help but feel a sense of relief when Robert Malone explained what is happening as 'insanity' or a 'form of sickness' Still, I can't help but feel left wanting by the theory, as it almost explains away what is happening and the moral culpability involved. For instance did the Crowd of Jews screaming "crucify him" simply suffer from mass psychosis!?

Background
The concept went viral with Dr. Robert Malone's interview with Joe Rogan.

I had watched this months ago, which better explains the root of the theory, created by Psychiatrist Carl Yung.

The below video presents an alternative secular viewpoint, explaining how mass psychosis is a liberal 'cope' to mass obedience, which is a huge part of human nature. This runs contrary to the modern liberal mindset where individuality is raised above it's actual importance in human behaviour.

What I'm currently considering is that Liberals and libertarians hold the individual action as primary in all cases. The idea that inquiry and truth somehow naturally rises like cream to the top is a foundation of liberalism. The mass psychosis theory attempts to provide a pseudo scientific explanation for human beings all acting in unison which bucks up against the liberal / libertarian belief. The libertarian must diagnose this using psychological science as an aberration or illness, when in reality it is simply basic human nature.

 

Cynllo

Sparrow
Other Christian
The mainstream goes a bit fruity when it comes to these areas. There is another important-sounding term used to describe localised cases of group psychosis called "a puff of madness". Sounds a bit like the big bang.

In short, they don't know what they are talking about, so they come up with some dense jargon to confuse the norms into continuing to defer to their authority.

The more people defer to these mind experts, the more people are diagnosed as mentally ill. The more individualistic people become, the more they are just a normie.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
People are people. Put them in Nazi Germany they'll be nazis. Put them in 13th century Romania and they'll be a pious Christian. Put them in a 21th century secular environment and they'll chase what that culture says. You are the 5 people you spend most time with, if you spend your time with monks you'll become a monk, with criminals you'll become a criminal.

So the elites just masterfully apply this knowledge to control the masses, it has always been done but never on such a scale and with technological means. I do believe that as a result of taking away masculinity, making people more dependent on the state and taking away their purpose in life in a fastly increasing more difficult society the circumstances now are better than ever to drive a herd of people: they need something to cling to, something to rely on. Religion doesn't offer that rock anymore, the family doesn't, a man doesn't, so society is the savior. Very well done to shape the system like this for 60 years in order to transition the next phase in the system smoothly and without serious resisting.
 

Aboulia

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Myself, I couldn't help but feel a sense of relief when Robert Malone explained what is happening as 'insanity' or a 'form of sickness' Still, I can't help but feel left wanting by the theory, as it almost explains away what is happening and the moral culpability involved. For instance did the Crowd of Jews screaming "crucify him" simply suffer from mass psychosis!?

In truth, the term is just an attempt to understand phenomena, It doesn't absolve from moral responsibility, as those that fell victim to it had faith in existing institutions, and/or are so absorbed with their own distractions that they don't bother to challenge the prevailing ideas. There's also a fear of being part of the outgroup which influences this.

In society, as long as it means the end of this nonsense, use the term to build a bridge to express sympathy to people, and direct their anger towards the measures/tyrannical overreach. If you mock and make fun of those who fell under this, then you'll just solidify the divide.
 

Tippy

Woodpecker
Other Christian
In truth, the term is just an attempt to understand phenomena, It doesn't absolve from moral responsibility, as those that fell victim to it had faith in existing institutions, and/or are so absorbed with their own distractions that they don't bother to challenge the prevailing ideas. There's also a fear of being part of the outgroup which influences this.

In society, as long as it means the end of this nonsense, use the term to build a bridge to express sympathy to people, and direct their anger towards the measures/tyrannical overreach. If you mock and make fun of those who fell under this, then you'll just solidify the divide.

Yep, time to stop dismissing them as 'normies' and 'sheeple' and taking part in the us vs them divide by framing ourselves as smarter or better because we saw through it earlier.

Maybe some of us were just more broken and disturbed which helped us in this particular instance but isn't something to generally be proud of.
 

Nomadiccat

Robin
Oriental Orthodox
I don't see any contradiction here. It's both: blind obedience and psychosis.
Most people act like sheeple by nature and always did, this is pretty obvious, about 85-90%.
But on top of that there can be mass psychosis too, which is what's happening now.
People putting on masks and getting vaxed just because they're told to - obedience.
People putting on masks and getting vaxed because they believe in the lie - mass psychosis.
Mass psychosis is classical stuff described way before year 2000.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Dr Malone picked up the concept from a Flemish psychology professor, Mattias Desmet, very bright guy. It goes back to Gustave le Bon, who was a based 19th century French sociologist, rather than Karl Jung, mentioned above, who was an early 20th century philosopher that was tightly connected to the deep state, and was involved in things like the UFO psyop.

One of the the things that makes the quality of Desmet's analysis so sharp is that he is also well versed in hard science, having a masters in statistics.

Here is a short description of the mass formation process explained by Desmet:


summary from a blogger:

The key takeaway is what the world governments are doing is conditioning like a cult. They first cause immense stress and anxiety(COVID) then isolate & deprive you of needed social interactions(lock downs and face masks) then prescribe the solution (vaccine & vaccine passports) so all of your negative emotions are focused solely on that. Therefore anyone or anything standing in the way of the solution receives the full wrath of your emotions. This absolutely explains why people are acting mad and accepting the totalitarianism sweeping the West. Professor Desmet explains it much better so watch the video. If you have time, listen to No Agenda because they break it down too.
No Agenda podcast from Sunday August 15th, "Mass Formation" ep. 1373 https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/1373

 
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Nomadiccat

Robin
Oriental Orthodox
Mass hypnosis had been also mentioned, but I don't think it's present here.
Mass hypnosis is done by an individual hypnotist using certain techniques and can be done on a crowd, even over mass media though video, but this is different.
Hypnosis is a very specific skill where everything is centered around the hypnotist.
This is more of a brainwash situation that lead to mass psychosis while playing on natural obedience.

I believe that a lot of unusual "symptoms" experienced, where it goes beyond regular flu/cold, are mass hypochondria.
Hypochondria can do absolutely insane things to the body and most are not aware of this.
Some consider hypochondria to be mild psychosis in itself. But there're more severe forms, hypochondriacal psychosis.
This is exactly what's happening now.
Within the delusional system, the patient shows marked illogicality insisting, against all evidence, on a physical aetiology, going to many physicians, and initiating strange 'cures' of his own.
Delusions and hallucinations are manifestations of psychosis.
Somatic hallucinations are all kinds of bodily sensations, pains and even real physical symptoms.
Delusions are persistent, firm, fanatical beliefs that go against all logic, reason - exactly what's happening now.
 
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Nomadiccat

Robin
Oriental Orthodox
Mass psychogenic illness:
Symptoms of mass psychogenic illness can be pretty much the same as coronahoax (but having a real flu/cold while being in a panic state is what does the number): cough, trouble breathing, vomiting, heacache, fainting, diarreah, burning throat, fatique, abdominal pains, even paralysis.
It used to be confined to small groups, but with mass media/internet it is no more, clearly.

A list of mass hysteria cases, a lot of them were mass psychosis:
  • June bug epidemic (1962) — A mysterious disease broke out in a dressmaking department of an American textile factory. The symptoms included numbness, nausea, dizziness, and vomiting. Word of a bug in the factory that would bite its victims and cause them to develop the above symptoms quickly spread.[28] Soon 62 employees developed this mysterious illness, some of whom were hospitalized. The news media reported on the case. After research by company physicians and experts from the US Public Health Service Communicable Disease Center, it was concluded that the case was one of mass hysteria. While the researchers believed some workers were bitten by the bug, anxiety was probably the cause of the symptoms. No evidence was ever found for a bug which could cause the above flu-like symptoms, nor did all workers demonstrate bites.
  • Pokémon panic (1997) — an incident in which thousands of Japanese children seemingly suffered seizures while watching "Dennō Senshi Porygon", an episode of Pokémon.[40]
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
Dr Malone picked up the concept from a Flemish psychology professor, Mattias Desmet, very bright guy. It goes back to Gustave le Bon, who was a based 19th century French sociologist, rather than Karl Jung, mentioned above, who was an early 20th century philosopher that was tightly connected to the deep state, and was involved in things like the UFO psyop.

Thank you for this correction, not being from Karl Jung is a definite positive for the theory :). I suppose Jung mentioned it in his work and the one video in particular picked that up.

I actually watched Mattias Desmet being interviewed the other night, and he was providing an excellent explanation of the phenomena which peaked my interest in it. One thing which he mentioned was that the people who are "awake" need to keep telling all the other people the truth over and over. It even effects those who are deep in the psychosis from going deeper.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Mass psychogenic illness:
Symptoms of mass psychogenic illness can be pretty much the same as coronahoax (but having a real flu/cold while being in a panic state is what does the number): cough, trouble breathing, vomiting, heacache, fainting, diarreah, burning throat, fatique, abdominal pains, even paralysis.
It used to be confined to small groups, but with mass media/internet it is no more, clearly.

A list of mass hysteria cases, a lot of them were mass psychosis:
  • June bug epidemic (1962) — A mysterious disease broke out in a dressmaking department of an American textile factory. The symptoms included numbness, nausea, dizziness, and vomiting. Word of a bug in the factory that would bite its victims and cause them to develop the above symptoms quickly spread.[28] Soon 62 employees developed this mysterious illness, some of whom were hospitalized. The news media reported on the case. After research by company physicians and experts from the US Public Health Service Communicable Disease Center, it was concluded that the case was one of mass hysteria. While the researchers believed some workers were bitten by the bug, anxiety was probably the cause of the symptoms. No evidence was ever found for a bug which could cause the above flu-like symptoms, nor did all workers demonstrate bites.
  • Pokémon panic (1997) — an incident in which thousands of Japanese children seemingly suffered seizures while watching "Dennō Senshi Porygon", an episode of Pokémon.[40]

Most (but not all) of these so-called mass psychoses are very likely due to real chemical/biological agents in the environment, as opposed to some kind of mass hysteria. This Wiki entry and the sources it lists amount to typical mass manipulation.

The real cause of these events is probably the result of either nefarious experiments by the deep state or just localized chemical or biological pollution.

The worst case of biological mass attack on the populace is the "Spanish Flu", and more currently, Lyme Disease, which came out from Plum Island, a bioweapon research facility where deer tick where used as vectors. Plum Island is located directly across from Lyme, CT, the epicenter of the disease, which inflicts and debilitates annually around 300,000 Americans - much worse than covid19.

 
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motardpdx

Pigeon
Orthodox
Using the institutions for indoctrination, corporations fueling propaganda and the mass media encouraging hysteria. Is the Antichrist singular or plural? The scripture references "mystery of lawlessness" who many believe will convince the masses of the world to worship and bow down in obedience. I believe what is currently happening in the world is possibly the largest display of what's know as "performance art." Let me explain, if you are doing the occult magic in the context of "art" it becomes completely ambiguous. I believe, what's convincing the masses to willfully participate in this type of performance art is known as, "spirit cooking." Another example of this is the participation in mass formation psychosis. Without self-awareness or acknowledgment, many are learning these practices without being fully conscious of it. This apostacy is coming from somewhere. Now, whether that’s from the Antichrist, I don't know. As a rationalist, and as somebody who believes in objective reality, I believe they’re learning it from daily conformity or by simply participating. These ritualistic practices, placing a mask over your mouth, observing others wearing masks, self isolating, MRNA shots, all are identifying markers. Something as simple as this pushes the envelope beyond ordinary, "everyday experiences" creating that shift needed in society to delve into the transcendental, the anti-philosophical, and the abstruse aspects of being human; exploring themes of transhumanism, relativism, and the limits of the mind and body.

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A F Henry

Chicken
Catholic
Using the institutions for indoctrination, corporations fueling propaganda and the mass media encouraging hysteria. Is the Antichrist singular or plural? The scripture references "mystery of lawlessness" who many believe will convince the masses of the world to worship and bow down in obedience. I believe what is currently happening in the world is possibly the largest display of what's know as "performance art." Let me explain, if you are doing the occult magic in the context of "art" it becomes completely ambiguous. I believe, what's convincing the masses to willfully participate in this type of performance art is known as, "spirit cooking." Another example of this is the participation in mass formation psychosis. Without self-awareness or acknowledgment, many are learning these practices without being fully conscious of it. This apostacy is coming from somewhere. Now, whether that’s from the Antichrist, I don't know. As a rationalist, and as somebody who believes in objective reality, I believe they’re learning it from daily conformity or by simply participating. These ritualistic practices, placing a mask over your mouth, observing others wearing masks, self isolating, MRNA shots, all are identifying markers. Something as simple as this pushes the envelope beyond ordinary, "everyday experiences" creating that shift needed in society to delve into the transcendental, the anti-philosophical, and the abstruse aspects of being human; exploring themes of transhumanism, relativism, and the limits of the mind and body.

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Yes, I also believe that ritual retains a key significance in the governance of this world and with particular reference to the covid takeover
I am not sure if you have heard of TruthStream Media?

They have an excellent 12min video on youtube from April 2020 "The Characteristics of an Initiation Ritual" which presents much of the covid thing in the light of a initiation ritual. (correctly I believe)

Truthstream media have been for many years been wise to the big pharma con and have worked with Dr Peter Breggin regularly - he has many years work exposing and warring against big pharma and its fake mental illness/medications etc.

As regards the mass formation psychosis thing/diagnosis specifically - it sounds like a product of the system itself but one that enables the continued belief in the system as capable of self correcting.

Sort of like the same company that causes cancer also sells the chemo. This is not a psychological problem. Its a moral one - so I believe .
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
I don't see any contradiction here. It's both: blind obedience and psychosis.
Most people act like sheeple by nature and always did, this is pretty obvious, about 85-90%.
But on top of that there can be mass psychosis too, which is what's happening now.
People putting on masks and getting vaxed just because they're told to - obedience.
People putting on masks and getting vaxed because they believe in the lie - mass psychosis.
Mass psychosis is classical stuff described way before year 2000.
Especially in a time of seemed chaos people do everything to absolve responsibility and delegate it to an external party, although this is a tendency people have in general, especially in the West where looking externally for responsibility is conditioned (gov giving money, popping pills by big pharma when feeling depressed etc). A population delegating this responsibility becomes very dependent on the powers they delegate it too.
 

Nomadiccat

Robin
Oriental Orthodox
Especially in a time of seemed chaos people do everything to absolve responsibility and delegate it to an external party, although this is a tendency people have in general, especially in the West where looking externally for responsibility is conditioned (gov giving money, popping pills by big pharma when feeling depressed etc). A population delegating this responsibility becomes very dependent on the powers they delegate it too.
I'd say in American red states there's least expectancy of anything from the government; it's different from other Western countries with a lot of socialized stuff. Outside of the US there's usually a lot of socialized medicine and people tend to have much reliance on government even in some poor countries, say they many take regular rides to the emergency room on public ambulances, like it's nothing. I really wonder every time some overall healthy people tell me how they call ambulance a lot for simple things like regular flu and other non-emergencies.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, but in red US states I'd think twice about calling ambulance even in emergency, because of billing nightmare that may follow, even though you have health insurance.
 

rainy

Pelican
Other Christian
There's going to be a real coming to Jesus moment for many of the brainwashed people across society at some point. Their whole fabricated reality will cave in on itself.

They're probably going to completely crack psychologically, end up on meds and not be able to function within society in the coming years. The worst will be in the parents who realize they willfully injected their children with a life altering poison and the side effects can hit tomorrow or 15 years from now.
 
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