Mass shooting in Jacksonville
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I don't care if he was Jewish, Catholic, Rasta, or Hindu. He was a mentally ill wackjob who was in and out of mental hospitals and probably on massive amounts of medication. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP, LIKE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE 1960s.
I already made a similar comment a month ago about the mass shooting in Toronto. It's here if anyone wants to read it. "Reforms" in the mental health field let the lunatics run free and made you and me victims.
If we want to be safe, we need to go back to throwing people in the looney bins. The greater good matters. Either a few mentally ill people suffer or countless innocent people suffer.
Also, one other thing: Psychiatric meds are a complete crapshoot and doctors who peddle them are drug pushers with degrees. Have a nice day!
I already made a similar comment a month ago about the mass shooting in Toronto. It's here if anyone wants to read it. "Reforms" in the mental health field let the lunatics run free and made you and me victims.
If we want to be safe, we need to go back to throwing people in the looney bins. The greater good matters. Either a few mentally ill people suffer or countless innocent people suffer.
Also, one other thing: Psychiatric meds are a complete crapshoot and doctors who peddle them are drug pushers with degrees. Have a nice day!
Thersites
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I'm just going to repeat the obvious: the fucker has flat affect that can be seen a mile away that anyone will know the guy is off his rocker.
There are some men that medication does not work at all. The human brain is still a black box for medical science. General rule of thumb about psychology is medication for patients is hit or miss. Just have to give them meds and see what works. Blame the fucking from the left for letting the mental ill out of the asylum and keep them out in the public where we are ill prepare to take care of them. Doctors have patients that are threat to the public, but can't involuntary commit since a bleeding hearts made it impossible to do so.
Here is link by twitter use named, Thomas Wictor who sums up the US mental health situation: we're fucked at the moment.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
There are some men that medication does not work at all. The human brain is still a black box for medical science. General rule of thumb about psychology is medication for patients is hit or miss. Just have to give them meds and see what works. Blame the fucking from the left for letting the mental ill out of the asylum and keep them out in the public where we are ill prepare to take care of them. Doctors have patients that are threat to the public, but can't involuntary commit since a bleeding hearts made it impossible to do so.
Here is link by twitter use named, Thomas Wictor who sums up the US mental health situation: we're fucked at the moment.
Thersites said:
What we really need is a clinical trial. Take a cohort of a 1000 patients with a history of schizophrenia. Design, with help of the leaders in the field, a high fat, nutrient dense, paleo type diet. Eliminate all stimulants, like caffeine, theobromine, nicotine, of course alcohol etc. (And no medications) Combine with significant daily physical activity, sun exposure and so on. I`m more than convinced that this would cure most patients. Although there would be a transitionary period for most, since addiction lies at the root of these problems, like with so many other conditions/diseases.
Of course this is just a pipe dream, it will never happen. But it would in theory be a cure for the vast majority of the "mentally" ill. There is just no genuine interest in finding the root cause, even though the data is there to be found. Just look at pubmed. It all leads back to neuroendocrine homeostasis disruption, and autoimmunity, and that in turn is caused by diet. With psychology soon being an all female field…it`s pretty much totally fucked the whole thing. The doctors are as crazy, if not more so, than the patients.
PapayaTapper said:
The shooter is confirmed to have mental health issues:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35048/leftists-push-gun-control-after-florida-shooting-ryan-saavedra
"The shooter had also been hospitalized twice as a teenager in psychiatric facilities for mental health issues, according to the Associated Press — which also noted that he "was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medications." "
And the other thing to note is that he somehow legally purchased the gun in gun-controlled Maryland (46 out of 50 states for being gun-friendly) rather than in Florida (ranked 39, but lefties are going on about how lax the FL laws are).
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35048/leftists-push-gun-control-after-florida-shooting-ryan-saavedra
"The shooter had also been hospitalized twice as a teenager in psychiatric facilities for mental health issues, according to the Associated Press — which also noted that he "was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medications." "
And the other thing to note is that he somehow legally purchased the gun in gun-controlled Maryland (46 out of 50 states for being gun-friendly) rather than in Florida (ranked 39, but lefties are going on about how lax the FL laws are).
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66Scorpio said:
The Baltimore Sun did a longer article detailing his lifelong psychiatric issues, the drugs he was on, and the fact that his parents were "desperate to find psychiatric care." (Cache link here.)
Guess they didn't find it in time. It's really a shame he got to roam free and kill people. After reading that newspaper story, it's surprising he didn't do worse and sooner. Even the most naive liberal could have seen this coming.
Back in our parents' era, involuntary psychiatric imprisonment was so prevalent that even rock bands wrote songs about it. We need to go back to the days of the "Cherry Blossom Clinics."
Mental health issues is one thing, but ALL MEDICATIONS THAT HAVE MURDEROUS RAGE AS A SIDE-EFFECT SHOULD BE INSTANTLY BANNED!
Medicating with weed would be superior to that crap.
Medicating with weed would be superior to that crap.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
There's gotta be a happy medium figured out first.
I love guns, and the 2nd amendment. My years in the navy prove my patriotism.
However, more than added gun restriction, I'm really against loosening restrictions on who gets involuntarily locked up. You think the Big leftist corporations have a field day banning YouTube channels and censoring conservative shot every chance they can? Just wait until they have the power to toss you in the psycho ward.
Private prisons are big business. Let's not add private American gulags.
Imagine the SPLC running down this forum and having us all thrown in the nut house.
It's a slippery slope that could really turn bad quickly.
Aloha!
Kona gets it.
"Oppositional defiance disorder" is the new "failure to uphold the revolutionary spirit".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
In a sane society none of this shit is even relevant. Dicking around with who gets meds and why vs who gets locked up and why is like debating lookout procedures on the Titanic post-iceberg.
"Oppositional defiance disorder" is the new "failure to uphold the revolutionary spirit".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
In a sane society none of this shit is even relevant. Dicking around with who gets meds and why vs who gets locked up and why is like debating lookout procedures on the Titanic post-iceberg.
Kona said:
It's not that slippery a slope. Here's why: We now have actual technology to see who is sane and who isn't. We just aren't using it.
Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) depicts the brainwaves of people. When someone has schizophrenia, the brainwaves show up differently. They even show differently for severe depression.
Instead of having quack psychologists (or judges) give their "interpretations" of who is crazy and who is sane, the machines will be able to tell us. This technology isn't used widely today, but someday it will be.
I also think it's a stretch to go from leftist corporations deplatforming people to claiming they'd have to power to have someone committed. There is a major difference there.
Big Tech doesn't even really have the power to really shut people down, since the "banned" person can just get another account with a different moniker. Maybe the school systems could abuse such a system, but I even doubt that since they're too incompetent.
Conservatives joke about "[Fill in the blank] Derangement Syndrome". To a certain extent, we are serious because some of these lefties are fucking nuts. However, the lefty academics are dead serious when they go on about Right Wing Authoritarian Personalities and their various psycho-babble to paint conservatives as having mental health issues while de-listing homosexuals and trannies from the DSM.
Plus we know it is never a two-way street and the dice are always loaded when you deal with leftist politics.
I'll take my chances with kooks on the loose rather than a government with potentially that sort of power to lock me away.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
You are not seriously making this argument?
You are living in a world where doctors are recommending gender reassignment surgery for 8yo children or pumping them full with life-changing hormones.
The world has found a name for orthorexia - the desire to eat healthy because some people avoid transfats and processed foods, are also concerned about GMOs and HFCS.
Seriously - the side that is insane will then decide upon your sanity????? The same doctors that tell your John to be Susie will then turn around and call you insane for objecting.
We don't deny that we have some good measures now to classify as someone too dangerous to run around, or withdraw his gun license at the very least. But - it's not about available technology and knowledge here - it's about the fact that this will be almost instantly abused.
Simeon_Strangelight said:
I'd also like to see this type of technology more widely used but I can't imagine there being much of a consensus on how to interpret the results, beyond perhaps disorders that produce a very obvious misfiring pattern (like schizophrenia or severe depression, which aren't that hard to diagnose without a brain scan). I know SPECT scans are being used to diagnose ADHD, although there is controversy about their accuracy.
As LDN pointed out, what about something like oppositional defiant disorder, i.e. kids not wanting to submit to an authority figure, i.e. boys having a strong masculine mind? What would that look like on an fMRI or SPECT or PET scan? I imagine it would show patterns of brain activity very much in line with proper function. How will the mental health system interpret and then utilize these results?
Just read the part in detail - diagnosing ADHD and severe depression? Epilepsy can be quantified with machines - maybe at best Schizophrenia, but fucking ADHD which the disease creator himself called a scam on his death bed? Or you want to qualify fucking depression into the same mix when more sunshine, high-dosage supplements and simple diet change heals likely close to 100% of all cases?
Yeah - that will go well for sure.
Yeah - that will go well for sure.
Simeon_Strangelight said:
I am making this argument because the problem is doctors. They're selling bullshit like "gender reassignment" and so on. What I'm saying is the power needs to be taken out of their hands. fMRI -- and future technology -- will do just that.
Look at it like a drug test. A doctor can say "He seems normal to me" but his opinion will be ruled invalid if the drug test comes up positive. fMRI is a test for mental illness that will 1). Make the inexact "science" of psychology irrelevant and 2). Relegate the opinion of doctors to being just that -- an opinion.
As for technology being "instantly abused," that's major conjecture on your part.
I don't see blood tests being falsified. And I don't see X-Rays, MRIs, and CAT Scans being faked so the medical establishment can rake in more money.
The question is why technology is being used everywhere else on the body, but not on the brain. When it gets to the brain, I think we'll see MORE honesty in diagnoses, not less...because there will be no choice.
Td;dr. If you liken fMRI to MRI, this argument makes sense. It doesn't matter what some quack says. What matters is there on the screen.
Days of Broken Arrows said:
The point some of us are trying to make is that many mental disorders are made-up bullshit that probably won't show up on any type of brain scan. Maybe you think that brain scans will prove these disorders aren't real; I say the mental health industry will not allow their racket to be taken down based on objective science. Doctors will not surrender their power to machines. If auto workers had the final say on automation, would they allow technology to take their power and thus jobs away? Not a chance. They will fight tooth and nail if they have to, but they won't have to, since the system is so heavily rigged in their favor using red tape.