Mass shooting in Jacksonville

[DarkTriad]

Back in our parents' era, involuntary psychiatric imprisonment was so prevalent that even rock bands wrote songs about it. We need to go back to the days of the "Cherry Blossom Clinics."

There's gotta be a happy medium figured out first.

I love guns, and the 2nd amendment. My years in the navy prove my patriotism.

However, more than added gun restriction, I'm really against loosening restrictions on who gets involuntarily locked up. You think the Big leftist corporations have a field day banning YouTube channels and censoring conservative shot every chance they can? Just wait until they have the power to toss you in the psycho ward.

Private prisons are big business. Let's not add private American gulags.

Imagine the SPLC running down this forum and having us all thrown in the nut house.

It's a slippery slope that could really turn bad quickly.

Aloha!

It's not that slippery a slope. Here's why: We now have actual technology to see who is sane and who isn't. We just aren't using it.

Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) depicts the brainwaves of people. When someone has schizophrenia, the brainwaves show up differently. They even show differently for severe depression.

Instead of having quack psychologists (or judges) give their "interpretations" of who is crazy and who is sane, the machines will be able to tell us. This technology isn't used widely today, but someday it will be.

I also think it's a stretch to go from leftist corporations deplatforming people to claiming they'd have to power to have someone committed. There is a major difference there.

Big Tech doesn't even really have the power to really shut people down, since the "banned" person can just get another account with a different moniker. Maybe the school systems could abuse such a system, but I even doubt that since they're too incompetent.

These deplatforming techniques are dangerous and subtle. On Reddit, they've got a host of little techniques to just delay conservative responses for an hour or 2, and it gives the appearance that conservative viewpoints were shouted down by a vast, organic grassroots campaign or something, even when it's something commonsenseical that even Redditors support. A lot of it was done "Shadowban" style, and you don't even realize your you're being silenced, you just think nobody is on your side and that you're the minority opinion when you're not. Young people especially are very influenced by these techniques, and these techniques are still in their infancy, I have no idea how sophisticated they'll get soon. It's not a matter of "make a new moniker", you don't even know that you need to do it. until it's too late and everyone has "witnessed" wrongthink being shouted down in a humiliating way.

And I'm going to give an old law enforcement story to illustrate the problems with your psych test. They used to have hand held chemical detector in my department that could determine if someone was under the influence of alcohol and by how much. It had so many knobs and switches are calibration techniques it eventually ended up being called "Dial a Drunk" because you could fiddle with the thing until you got whatever result you wanted. Unethical sergeants would actually order us to find people drunk, and it was so common they didn't even see that there was anything unethical with it, it was just another "tool in the toolbox" to them.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

The medical sector is totally captured by the powers that be.

As with all problems plaguing our societies, nothing can be fixed until we deal with that fundamental issue.

 

[Johnnyvee]

Calling for more forced treatment of the mentally ill is a very bad idea. These people suffer a lot due to the quackery they face in these institutions, and "going back" to more of this entails more drastic use of force. We already had lobotomy, (destroyed tens of millions, no legal ramifications for anyone) electric shock is still in wide use.

We need less, not more of this crap. Also remember that psychiatry can so easily be used as a political weapon. This was to a great extent the case in the Soviet union. Disagree with the official line, (be an anti-feminist perhaps) and you must clearly be crazy. Narcissistic personality disorder or whatever, lock him up and fry his brain, then put him on drugs for the rest of his life.

 

[Kona]

Back in our parents' era, involuntary psychiatric imprisonment was so prevalent that even rock bands wrote songs about it. We need to go back to the days of the "Cherry Blossom Clinics."

There's gotta be a happy medium figured out first.

I love guns, and the 2nd amendment. My years in the navy prove my patriotism.

However, more than added gun restriction, I'm really against loosening restrictions on who gets involuntarily locked up. You think the Big leftist corporations have a field day banning YouTube channels and censoring conservative shot every chance they can? Just wait until they have the power to toss you in the psycho ward.

Private prisons are big business. Let's not add private American gulags.

Imagine the SPLC running down this forum and having us all thrown in the nut house.

It's a slippery slope that could really turn bad quickly.

Aloha!

It's not that slippery a slope. Here's why: We now have actual technology to see who is sane and who isn't. We just aren't using it.

Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) depicts the brainwaves of people. When someone has schizophrenia, the brainwaves show up differently. They even show differently for severe depression.

Instead of having quack psychologists (or judges) give their "interpretations" of who is crazy and who is sane, the machines will be able to tell us. This technology isn't used widely today, but someday it will be.

I also think it's a stretch to go from leftist corporations deplatforming people to claiming they'd have to power to have someone committed. There is a major difference there.

Big Tech doesn't even really have the power to really shut people down, since the "banned" person can just get another account with a different moniker. Maybe the school systems could abuse such a system, but I even doubt that since they're too incompetent.

That sounds like an even slipperyier slope, my brother.

You want a machine made by General Eletric, running on macOS software to tell United Healthcare it's cheaper to put me in a straight jacket (made by the gap) than deal with me later?

Give me a Chevy MRI 2500 HD LTZ, maybe I'll trust it. Or a Milwaukee, but that's about it.

You can't computerize mental health to the point there's no human decency to it. I know a massive amount of veterans that got ptsd, and schizophrenia, and all kinds of wierd shit. Hell ones got the jimmy legs.

The bulk of those guys live fairly normal lives. They don't hurt anyone. But then you run them through themachine, and it's straight to the state hospital. That's not fair.

Aloha!

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

That sounds like an even slipperyier slope, my brother.

You want a machine made by General Eletric, running on macOS software to tell United Healthcare it's cheaper to put me in a straight jacket (made by the gap) than deal with me later?

Give me a Chevy MRI 2500 HD LTZ, maybe I'll trust it. Or a Milwaukee, but that's about it.

You can't computerized mental health to the point there's no human decency to it. I know a massive amount of veterans that got ptsd, and schizophrenia, and all kinds of wierd shit. Hell ones got the jimmy legs.

The bulk of those guys live fairly normal lives. They don't hurt anyone. But then you run them through themachine, and it's straight to the state hospital. That's not fair.

Aloha!

Anyone who thinks that our medical system is free and uncompromised is not aware of an incredible amount of issues.

Go check out Dr. Mercola, Dr. Joel Wallach, Dr. Len Horowitz, Dr. Klenner and Dr. Cathcart on high-dosage vitamin therapy, Dr. Claus Koehnlein on the virus insanity etc. I could go on and on and on. 100.000+ doctors around the world have joined the Cochrane Collaboration which frequently questions core mainstream medicine concepts.

Sure - there are very honest fields of medicine like basic anatomy and close to anything that is concerned with the the technical aspects of surgery and diagnosis. MDs do great work there, but massive hugely important fields are insanely manipulated so much so that Dr. Koch would turn in his grave even at the 120-year-old level that medicine found itself back then.

Psychiatry is the least certain of all sciences - you literally know jack-shit about the reason of why people lash out like this instance. Oh - we know for example that many SSRIs are actually causing those things which explains why some countries like Finland have chosen a highly different mostly non-medicated therapeutic route. Many other nations could learn from them, but then the pharma lobby would lose tens of billions in revenue and the politicians might not have so many opportunities to tell you that you should surrender all your guns.

 

[SlickyBoy]

Td;dr. If you liken fMRI to MRI, this argument makes sense. It doesn't matter what some quack says. What matters is there on the screen.

The point some of us are trying to make is that many mental disorders are made-up bullshit that probably won't show up on any type of brain scan. Maybe you think that brain scans will prove these disorders aren't real; I say the mental health industry will not allow their racket to be taken down based on objective science. Doctors will not surrender their power to machines. If auto workers had the final say on automation, would they allow technology to take their power and thus jobs away? Not a chance. They will fight tooth and nail if they have to, but they won't have to, since the system is so heavily rigged in their favor using red tape.

They can try, but the trouble is there are doctors and patients all over the world. So they prohibit some technique or bury some discovery here in the US then some European doctor researching in Argentina comes up with the same conclusion and begins to find different results. Sooner or later, We-Don't-Give-A-Fuck societies like Korea, Japan and Russia start implementing things that actually prove shit, if only to reduce the costs to government health care.

No army of cat lady psychologists is going to be able to hold off conclusive diagnostics from abroad forever - especially with the increase in medical tourism. Throw in the likelihood of expert medical witnesses bringing up these findings in court cases and there won't be anyplace left for the fiction to hide. Time will tell.

 

[nomadbrah]

Crazy people don't need to be institutionalized, but they need to live in housing that has supervision, so that they can be spotted when they're taking a turn for the worse. It would also be better to have these homes outside cities in rural settings with less stimulation.

It's also time to do research in CBD, which has many promising studies on mental health. Most crazies stop taking their medications, because it has very unpleasant side effects.

 

[debeguiled]

You want a machine made by General Eletric, running on macOS software to tell United Healthcare it's cheaper to put me in a straight jacket (made by the gap) than deal with me later?

Would you be okay with it if the straitjacket was manufactured locally?

 

[SlickyBoy]

I am making this argument because the problem is doctors. They're selling bullshit like "gender reassignment" and so on. What I'm saying is the power needs to be taken out of their hands. fMRI -- and future technology -- will do just that.

Something else I've heard along these lines: What happens when the homosexual groups looking so desperately for the "gay gene" stumble upon their wish (they won't, but let's just say of the sake of argument that they do)?

You can bet the homosexual lobby (a.k.a., most of Washington, Hollywood and Silicon Valley) will become the largest and most vociferous group of pro lifers in existence. They'd better be careful what they wish for.

 

[2 Cool 4 U]

Waiting for David Hogg to claim that he was there and trying to get away

 

[SlickyBoy]

Waiting for David Hogg to claim that he was there and trying to get away

He was in the powder room.

 

[godfather dust]

(((Psychiatry))) was created by a degenerate coke head (((Freud))) to ease his (((neurosis))) he suffered due to his life long desire to fuck his mother.

It is the most Jewish subversive industry outside banking and any silly little machine they schemed on would declare %100 of non-oligarchs too crazy for guns.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(((Psychiatry))) was created by a degenerate coke head (((Freud))) to ease his (((neurosis))) he suffered due to his life long desire to fuck his mother.

It is the most Jewish subversive industry outside banking and any silly little machine they schemed on would declare %100 of non-oligarchs too crazy for guns.

Initially that was maybe the case, though there was some truth in it. Psychiatry is a valid field, but we are as of yet still at the very beginning of understanding the issue.

I mentioned Finland, because there they have managed to treat and reverse mot Schizophrenics with simple therapy and some non-addictive soothing meds (think of a sleeping pill rather than a psychotropic). Over 60% of the Finnish Schizophrenics have 1-3 bouts and then disease disappears while in the West the majority stay on psychotropics forever.

And no psychiatrist really knows why those mental diseases happen at all. We are pretty at the very beginning and due to the pharma-depopulation-anti-human-serf bias of the elite I am afraid that progress will be slow in that field.

 

[debeguiled]

(((Psychiatry))) was created by a degenerate coke head (((Freud))) to ease his (((neurosis))) he suffered due to his life long desire to fuck his mother.

It is the most Jewish subversive industry outside banking and any silly little machine they schemed on would declare %100 of non-oligarchs too crazy for guns.

Initially that was maybe the case, though there was some truth in it. Psychiatry is a valid field, but we are as of yet still at the very beginning of understanding the issue.

I mentioned Finland, because there they have managed to treat and reverse mot Schizophrenics with simple therapy and some non-addictive soothing meds (think of a sleeping pill rather than a psychotropic). Over 60% of the Finnish Schizophrenics have 1-3 bouts and then disease disappears while in the West the majority stay on psychotropics forever.

And no psychiatrist really knows why those mental diseases happen at all. We are pretty at the very beginning and due to the pharma-depopulation-anti-human-serf bias of the elite I am afraid that progress will be slow in that field.

Agree. Some things can be de-weaponized.

 

[nomadbrah]

The US mixes up things as usual. Freud invented modern psychology, not psychiatry. Only in the US are they intertwined.

Psychiatry is a field that came about from a crazy jew (not Freud), jamming an ice pick into the nose of crazy people, then declaring success. His success and personal conviction was so great he traveled the country doing his ice pick/nose routine without anesthetic or cleanliness.

Then psychiatry had their second golden age when they discovered, probably from experiences with torture, that electric current through the brain erased short term memory. Which was good because people were now not so happy with the whole ice pick to the brain thing, since it turned people into zombies or killed them outright. They stopped being annoying of course.

Lastly, modern psychiatry owes its discovery to toxic pesticides. They (again probably CIA) noticed that farm workers who worked with some pesticides began acting strange, so they (probably the CIA) tested it on crazy people with good effect. That's where we're at.

That said, these anti-psychotics can be the lesser evil. If you've been around a raving paranoid scizhophrenic, then you will probably agree. It's not a stretch to imagine why people believed them to be possessed in the past.

 

[Kurgan]

So to get back to the topic, does anyone see that David looks like Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber. Except for being dumb, he's mentally ill and shot up a place over losing a fucking video game.