DarkTriad said:anonymous123 said:- Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather. He'd be dropping bombs the whole way. No reason for him to learn ground moves with such striking capability.
- Comparing this chick Rousey to Gracie or any of the other UFC greats is a flawed argument and is an attempt to steer the conversation towards "gound game vs boxing" instead of the real argument at hand which is: Rousey vs Mayweather. If we stick to Rousey vs. Mayweather...then Mayweather could pound her face into hamburger after a pack of cigarettes and six beers without her ever getting a leg, an arm, or anything else to get her hands on.
- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather
"- Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather."
The same barrage that Randy had to deal with to get James Toney's leg?
"- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather"
Almost every male on the current UFC roster would likely get ahold of him.
are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxersTravelerKai said:Cr33pin said:There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.
No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.
I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.
The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...
That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.
An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.
Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.
You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.
You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.
Solus said:One solid leg kick lands from an elite male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class.
Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.
Teedub said:Let's not let this devolve into a MMA v Boxing thing. It's about Ronda Rousey v Mayweather, and there's no chance she'd win. Under either set of rules.
lalafufu said:are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxersTravelerKai said:Cr33pin said:There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.
No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.
I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.
The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...
That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.
An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.
Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.
You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.
You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.
James Toney, he was shot by then in all fairness, tried to switch over to UFC. He got beat in the quickness
TravelerKai said:Solus said:One solid leg kick lands from an elite male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class.
Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.
Not necessarily true. Floyd is an extremely well conditioned athlete. Look at his legs and the legs of a pro soccer player. Almost the same look right? If a pro Muay Thai Fighter give them or Floyd one good kick (if it didn't miss), you cannot say for 100% that they would instantly drop. Well the soccer player would if it was a soccer match because they like to flop, but I have personally squeezed their legs to know how hard they are (don't ask why). In a street fight it would hurt them for sure, because it just does, but that is not a guarantee drop. Can they take 2 or 3 chops to the legs? Probably not.
Don't get me wrong those kicks are dangerous, especially against normal everyday people. Almost all of them definitely cannot take even one kick, which is why Muay Thai is arguably alot better for street defense than BJJ would be. Short term at least until age and health becomes an issue.
an eye opening anecdote there. as a hardcore boxing fan with little knowledge on mma I believed the playing field would become even once take downs were allowedTravelerKai said:lalafufu said:are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxersTravelerKai said:Cr33pin said:There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.
No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.
I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.
The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...
That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.
An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.
Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.
You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.
You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.
James Toney, he was shot by then in all fairness, tried to switch over to UFC. He got beat in the quickness
For those sparring drills, no. It was just striking practice. I would separate striking from groundwork, then later combine the two. When the 2 boxers joined up I let them just do standup with my guys the first day just to teach my guys a lesson. Practices after that would be normal schedule. As an instructor it is good to let a special guests/new members teach something that the others they otherwise would not get on their own. In the past I have even sent off guys to boxing gyms for a month or two, just to break some of their bad habits. If someone they do not know keeps hitting them over their mistakes they usually figure it out and stop it.
I even once invited a 4th dan Karate black belt from Japan to spar with my guys. They were drooling when they saw his thin kimono gi and black belt. Each of them lost to him in sparring. 3 of them he KO'd. He even told them take downs were okay because he wanted the extra practice in defending it!
Sometimes telling guys to respect traditional styles goes in one ear and out the other...
Solus said:TravelerKai said:Solus said:One solid leg kick lands from an elite male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class.
Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.
Not necessarily true. Floyd is an extremely well conditioned athlete. Look at his legs and the legs of a pro soccer player. Almost the same look right? If a pro Muay Thai Fighter give them or Floyd one good kick (if it didn't miss), you cannot say for 100% that they would instantly drop. Well the soccer player would if it was a soccer match because they like to flop, but I have personally squeezed their legs to know how hard they are (don't ask why). In a street fight it would hurt them for sure, because it just does, but that is not a guarantee drop. Can they take 2 or 3 chops to the legs? Probably not.
Don't get me wrong those kicks are dangerous, especially against normal everyday people. Almost all of them definitely cannot take even one kick, which is why Muay Thai is arguably alot better for street defense than BJJ would be. Short term at least until age and health becomes an issue.
I see what you're saying but I doubt Floyd is conditioned to take/check kicks because there's no reason for him to be. I'm not talking about aesthetics/muscles. Soccer players have strong legs, no doubt, but I don't think it's the same.
I should have specified that a single leg kick might not put Floyd out but would rather do at least enough damage to allow the MMA fighter to grab a hold of him and drag him down. Needless to say if the MMA fighter lands a few more then yeah, I'd say it's game over.
However let's not get too far off topic.
Ronda Rousey isn't beating Floyd Mayweather unless Dana White blindsides him with a steel chair WWE-style.
an eye opening anecdote there. as a hardcore boxing fan with little knowledge on mma I believed the playing field would become even once take downs were allowed
I once saw a Shamrock interview where he stated striking is the most efficient way to take someone out.
TravelerKai said:Cr33pin said:There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.
No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.
I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.
The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...
That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.
An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.
Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.
You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.