McKinney, TX: Another police/race incident

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The "pool party" is anything but a party - it constitutes trespassing and various other crimes.

If it happened as reported by the neighbors, then this level of interference by the cops is adequate - even more so, if that group of kids has been doing such "events" before. The fight between the two girls seems secondary.

Seems like the media has jumped on the race-war train again.
 

It_is_my_time

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Zelcorpion said:
The "pool party" is anything but a party - it constitutes trespassing and various other crimes.

If it happened as reported by the neighbors, then this level of interference by the cops is adequate - even more so, if that group of kids has been doing such "events" before. The fight between the two girls seems secondary.

Seems like the media has jumped on the race-war train again.

The main stream media really is pushing this. And I can't believe it is only for ratings. It seems to have more meaning, and my best guess is a combination of a distraction from the terrible economy and a push for a national police force.
 

Killer Joe

 
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TheWastelander said:
You guys who have a problem with the police reaction in the screwdriver video are out to lunch. They give him a couple opportunities to drop it and instead he comes at them regardless in what appears to be a classic suicide by cop.

speakeasy said:
I'm sorry man, I ain't buying it. Two cops with guns vs one guy with a screwdriver and you think the guy with a screwdriver posed such a threat that it demanded execution? Do you guys really believe this shit? I didn't even see the guy making any stabbing motions with it. He barely took a step forward before he was shot multiple times. Don't they carry mace and tazers for situations like this? When we saw that incident in Arizona with that large family in the van, they actually assaulted the cops and the cops reacted with tazers and pepper spray. Shot only got fired when they struggled to grab the officer's gun.

The police do not use non-lethal weaponry on someone armed with a lethal stabbing weapon in close quarters because they're not always effective at stopping someone and they don't have the luxury of getting it wrong at close range. They didn't know this guy was armed with a screwdriver until his mom got out of the way. At that point they're like five feet from him.

You have unrealistic expectations.

If anyone ever comes at you with a knife or a screwdriver at that distance, neither I nor the law would have a problem with you shooting them in the face. But hey, if you want to try non-lethal means, go ahead. Your life.

Why didn't they just disarm him and kick the shit out him? It's 2 fit cops against 1 fat guy with a screwdriver. Are cops pussies that can't physically defend themselves without guns?

What the fuck are tasers for?

Also, they're still ordering him to put the screwdriver down after they just shot and kill him. What was that for?
 
ganjian said:
TheWastelander said:
You guys who have a problem with the police reaction in the screwdriver video are out to lunch. They give him a couple opportunities to drop it and instead he comes at them regardless in what appears to be a classic suicide by cop.

speakeasy said:
I'm sorry man, I ain't buying it. Two cops with guns vs one guy with a screwdriver and you think the guy with a screwdriver posed such a threat that it demanded execution? Do you guys really believe this shit? I didn't even see the guy making any stabbing motions with it. He barely took a step forward before he was shot multiple times. Don't they carry mace and tazers for situations like this? When we saw that incident in Arizona with that large family in the van, they actually assaulted the cops and the cops reacted with tazers and pepper spray. Shot only got fired when they struggled to grab the officer's gun.

The police do not use non-lethal weaponry on someone armed with a lethal stabbing weapon in close quarters because they're not always effective at stopping someone and they don't have the luxury of getting it wrong at close range. They didn't know this guy was armed with a screwdriver until his mom got out of the way. At that point they're like five feet from him.

You have unrealistic expectations.

If anyone ever comes at you with a knife or a screwdriver at that distance, neither I nor the law would have a problem with you shooting them in the face. But hey, if you want to try non-lethal means, go ahead. Your life.

Why didn't they just disarm him and kick the shit out him? It's 2 fit cops against 1 fat guy with a screwdriver. Are cops pussies that can't physically defend themselves without guns?

What the fuck are tasers for?

Also, they're still ordering him to put the screwdriver down after they just shot and kill him. What was that for?

1. This isn't Hollywood. You get stabbed with a screwdriver in the neck or face and it can result in permanent serious injury or even death. You ever fought a guy with a knife or screwdriver?

2. Unless both prongs enter the guy and complete the circuit it won't work. You have one shot to make it work, that's it. Reloading these one shot less lethal weapons isn't fast. Simple things like a loose shirt, multiple layers, significant movement, etc. can cause the prongs to fail to enter someone. This is a risk in close quarters. If they had space I would agree with you. Add the fact that not all departments have them and some have even phased them out because of highly-publicized incidents of people with heart conditions accidentally dying from being tased and you get the classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

3. Because they're not mind-readers and he might've not been dead when he hit the ground.
 

Sonsowey

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^This is how the Cathedral works. They push anything that is chaotic, they are against order. Liberalism is itself basically anti order, anti heirarchy. Thus teens breaking into someones backyard to swim is good, stoping it is bad.

"How can an entire system of independent thinkers and institutions, without any central coordinating agency, recognize that everyone should go left rather than right?

First, we need to define left and right. In my opinion, obviously a controversial one, the explanation for this mysterious asymmetric dimension is easy: it is political entropy. Right represents peace, order and security; left represents war, anarchy and crime."

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html?m=1
 

TigerMandingo

 
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It seems that the biggest problem is that American cops are not able to understand the various nuances of criminality. They treat a random traffic stop in the same way as they would handle a highly dangerous fugitive. No one is anti-cop. Most people want to live in secure neighborhoods, but they also don't want to be thrown against the hood of their car should they go 5 miles over the limit.
 

SunW

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Sonsowey said:
^This is how the Cathedral works. They push anything that is chaotic, they are against order. Liberalism is itself basically anti order, anti heirarchy. Thus teens breaking into someones backyard to swim is good, stoping it is bad.

Exactly.

"Useful idiots" is a term that Roosh used on Twitter a while back, which if you read about is who socialists use to push their agenda. In this case, we know many US politicians know not to "ever let a crisis go to waste" so they use these crises to push an agenda that most people would be against.

Look at this page solely. We have at least two (possibly three) different Facebook posts from people saying that the media are running with the wrong story. Even ZeroHedge today has a post with false information.

What these people don't realize is how they're being used by people in power for an agenda they aren't going to like. Look at Baltimore. Look at Ferguson. Do those look like communities you want to be a part of?
 

Killer Joe

 
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TheWastelander said:
1. This isn't Hollywood. You get stabbed with a screwdriver in the neck or face and it can result in permanent serious injury or even death. You ever fought a guy with a knife or screwdriver?

2. Unless both prongs enter the guy and complete the circuit it won't work. You have one shot to make it work, that's it. This is a risk in close quarters. If they had space I would agree with you. Add the fact that not all departments have them and some have even phased them out because of highly-publicized incidents of people with heart conditions accidentally dying from being tased and you get the classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

3. Because they're not mind-readers and he might've not been dead when he hit the ground.


1&2. Fair enough. I was about to make the argument that they could have use hand-to-hand combat to stop him, but it's not like they had enough time to fully assess the situation in order to choose between a lethal/nonlethal weapon.

3. Well, it's pointless to have him drop the screwdriver once he's already fallen over and dying, don't you think?
 
ganjian said:
TheWastelander said:
1. This isn't Hollywood. You get stabbed with a screwdriver in the neck or face and it can result in permanent serious injury or even death. You ever fought a guy with a knife or screwdriver?

2. Unless both prongs enter the guy and complete the circuit it won't work. You have one shot to make it work, that's it. This is a risk in close quarters. If they had space I would agree with you. Add the fact that not all departments have them and some have even phased them out because of highly-publicized incidents of people with heart conditions accidentally dying from being tased and you get the classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

3. Because they're not mind-readers and he might've not been dead when he hit the ground.


1&2. Fair enough. I was about to make the argument that they could have use hand-to-hand combat to stop him, but it's not like they had enough time to fully assess the situation in order to choose between a lethal/nonlethal weapon.

3. Well, it's pointless to have him drop the screwdriver once he's already fallen over and dying, don't you think?

Yeah, it is pretty pointless if he isn't moving.

I'd like to add that the media doesn't really care much at all about real police misconduct, murder and abuse. All they care about is if there's a racial angle they can twist and exploit to get SJWs and tribalists up in arms.

Someone should compare coverage of the James Boyd murder with coverage of Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.
 

Foolsgo1d

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Same old argument about cops on here?

The pool crash party is a perfect example of a degenerate society breeding filth which deserves to be locked up or shot. The MSM aren't even hiding how they want to stir things up.
 

Aenigmarius

 
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What any of us reads in a newspaper article or sees on the TV news about any particular incident is likely to be wrong a majority of the time, for various reasons.

The media does not tell the whole story, either because they want to present a "sexy" story for ratings, or because they want to promote a certain narrative, or because they are just too stupid to understand what is going on or too lazy to figure it out. This happens to a greater or lesser extent on almost every single "news" story you see in the paper, on the news or the internet.

If anyone has been personally involved in an incident that was later reported by the media, I'm willing to bet you can confirm what I am saying. I experience this firsthand on a routine basis with my work.

This incident was initially presented as a few innocent kids invited to a pool party that the cops stormed because they were black. As more information seeps out, there was much more going on here.
 

Sonsowey

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These resident explanations are priceless:

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Samseau

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Professor Fox said:

This is extremely disturbing. It appears there are outside forces deliberately trying to engineer racial tension for some other political ends. It looks like someone wants to manufacture a race war.

Also, I am extremely tempted to add Cibo to my ignore list.
 

The Beast1

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Gustavus Adolphus said:
Picked this up from FB. Comments mention it was DJ Reign doing the Twitter invites. Everything after this sentence is a copy/paste from the post.

"From a resident of the neighborhood who was actually there:

Facebook friends and family – PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…

A DJ setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJ was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.

This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.

PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.

The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.

I am asking for your help for my family and my neighbor’s safety…PLEASE, PLEASE do not rebroadcast any of these lies."

Saw the same thing here: Saw some others posting it, looks like there were some thug kids acting out. The media is once again lying to make it seem like cops are going after minorities.

From here: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...nd-the-police-abuse-at-the-austin-pool-party/


Looks like it was some trashy kids breaking into a gated community for an illegal pool party.
 

SunW

Woodpecker
Anyone who writes for ROK and sees this: this would make a perfect article (like original article calling out mattress girl) where ROK could stand out by telling the truth that the media aren't telling. Like Samseau just wrote, this does make you stop and think that there is a strong anti-cop and let's-start-a-race-war agenda in the mainstream media, but these are also opportunities to stand for truth and begin getting more people on our side.

As people realize they're being lied to, they'll stop looking at things like WaPo, NYTimes, CNN, and others. It appears that this post has shown four different Facebook posts of people who live there (which can probably be verified) that are saying the media are lying.
 

Kickb

Hummingbird
As a guy who doesn't call the cops for anything, I find the neighborhoods behavior pussy like!

Just let the kids tire themselves out and grab some insurance cash if anything happens to your property.
 

AntiTrace

Ostrich
So all you guys who were doing some "fly by your pants judging" and deemed the actions of the police wrong and the actions of the teenagers appropriate, what is your take now?

Hint, a man can accept when he makes mistakes.
 
speakeasy said:
I think to put things into perspective we need to see how it is in other countries similar to ours. People in other Western countries are really taken aback when they see things like this because their cops are not nearly as aggressive. I doubt a cop would straight shoot someone with a screwdriver in Canada, France or Germany.

The former head of the UK Metropolitan police (Greater London) is critical of US Policing

He's referring to this incident.

Former British police official disputes US police rationale for killing armed suspect

Ex-deputy commissioner of London’s Metropolitan police takes issue with New Jersey police saying they had ‘no choice’ but to kill man armed with a knife

A former senior police officer in Britain, where officers are typically not armed, has disputed the common explanation from US law enforcement that they had “no choice” but to shoot dead civilians who had knives or were unarmed.

Lord Brian Paddick, an ex-deputy assistant commissioner of London’s Metropolitan police who is now a politician in the House of Lords, took issue with arguments such as that used in recent days by James O’Connor, the police chief of Lyndhurst, New Jersey, who said his officers had to kill 36-year-old Kevin Allen when he reportedly charged at them with a utility knife in a public library on Friday.

Of the situation in Britain, Paddick told the Guardian: “If unarmed officers encounter someone who is armed with a knife who is threatening them, they would hold back and call for armed support. The armed officers would probably deploy Tasers in the circumstances rather than resorting to lethal force in the first instance.”

It would be common practice to call in officers trained in the use of riot shields, not guns, even if, as was reportedly the case with Allen, the individual was going berserk. “The fact that the British police are largely unarmed does not make that much difference [from the US situation] … It’s established practice for officers trained in using riot equipment to contain and subdue armed suspects [holding knives] using a plastic shield,” he said.

“There are alternatives to shooting someone armed with a knife,” he added.

“If someone’s life is in danger there is the option to use CS spray or batons. All officers are equipped with stab-proof vests. If someone has gone berserk and they are in possession of a knife, officers have a duty to try to contain them to make sure they do not escape, in which case they would try to use CS spray and batons,” he said.

“But if the circumstances would allow it, they would try to contain the individual and wait for properly equipped officers.”

The officers involved in the encounter with Allen on Friday used pepper spray and deployed their batons on Allen to no avail as he charged at them, according to Friday’s account at a press briefing by Lyndhurst police chief O’Connor.

Residents of the small town of 20,000 in northern New Jersey who spoke to the Guardian three days after the shooting were generally supportive of the action the police had taken, in what they said was a violent encounter out of character for Lyndhurst.

There have been no details supplied about whether there were Tasers available to the officers in the library or their colleagues based at the town police department, which is in the same building.

O’Connor said that on Friday his officers had “no choice” but to kill Allen.

“He brandished the knife,” he said of Allen, immediately after the officers had tried pepper spray and their batons to subdue him.

“Mr Allen still went after them aggressively and left them no choice but to deploy deadly force. There was nothing else they could have done,” said O’Connor.


But Paddick challenged that explanation in this and similar occasions of use of deadly force by police on suspects who are not armed with a knife, not a gun.

“There quite clearly is a choice. There are other tactics that can be used short of lethal force where people are armed with a knife,” he said.


Police in St Louis in April 2015 said they had no other option but to shoot dead a man with a knife.

A similar explanation was given in another police shooting last year, also in the St Louis area and involving a man with a knife.

Here's UK Police dealing with guys with a knives:



 

MidWest

 
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Kickb said:
As a guy who doesn't call the cops for anything, I find the neighborhoods behavior pussy like!

Just let the kids tire themselves out and grab some insurance cash if anything happens to your property.


Then you haven't lived in the United States of America.

Anyone knows that whenever a Black guy or a Hispanic guy shows up in a white neighborhood, all the people in that neighborhood are looking through their windows and if the guy doesn't leave fast enough, the cops will be called, I can assure you of that.

Quick story. A while back when I was still a teen, my family bought a house in a white neighborhood in the suburbs and we moved in. If you know anything about suburbs in America, you'll know that they have a basketball hoop on the driveway. I recall calling my cousins over to come play some basketball, and whenever we formed a group and started playing I recall our new neighbors looking out through their window and I even caught one shaking his head. The sight of a few Mexican guys playing basketball outside their home in that neighborhood scared the hell out of our mostly white neighbors. We would get called on by the cops all the time, gladly they've all been respectful to us, but would often end our parties because according to neighbors we were "too loud."

I even recall another time when another neighbor across the street was trying to sell his house and he put it up for sale, so he had potential buyers going to see his house. He came by our house one day and was begging us to please not play basketball outside our home from 2-6pm because he feared we would scare away buyers, and my father told him to fuck off. The guy did eventually sell his house though.

Don't underestimate the "pussyness" I guess of Americans calling the cops whenever something looks suspicious in their eyes.

As far as the topic is concerned, I'm on team anti-bad cop.
 
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